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    <p>Hello Jaco and Lucilla,</p>
    <p>I raised the issue of expecting the withdrawal, or at the least,
      a delay in tabling this proposal, so that the community can learn
      and use the outcome of the recall process, which is now underway.</p>
    <p>My proposition is not binding, but a pure appeal to the
      conscience of the Author, because the Author has all the right to
      withdraw of advance the proposal within the working group.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Having clarified that, It is wishful, to think that this proposal
      will be useful for the already evoked recall process.</p>
    <p>Sunday. <br>
    </p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/3/20 1:51 PM, Jaco Kroon wrote:<br>
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      <p>Hi Lucilla,</p>
      <p>1.  I personally never asked any author to withdraw anything.<br>
        2.  I believe the current wording is perfectly clear; as such:<br>
        3.  Could you please clarify - by way of reference to the CPM
        text - clarify what doubts (uncertainty, ambiguity) do you read
        in the text as it's written?<br>
      </p>
      <p>4.  I did state my support that I don't see an emergency here
        and that both the proposal and the recall process should follow
        the existing established processes.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Kind Regards,<br>
        Jaco<br>
      </p>
      On 2020/12/03 14:07, lucilla fornaro wrote:<br>
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            <div>Dear Jaco,</div>
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            <div>considering the contest, clearly, we are not facing any
              of the emergencies you mentioned.  Remaining closer to the
              purpose of the discussion, the current recall process
              opens the door to several doubts. The incompletion of the
              call request section is already creating issues and can
              potentially create unfair situations that in the interest
              of the community we should try to avoid and fix in
              advance. The proposal can help us and there are no reasons
              to ask the author to withdraw it.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Regards,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Lucilla</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 3 dic 2020
            alle ore 06:16 Jaco Kroon <<a
              href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" moz-do-not-send="true">jaco@uls.co.za</a>>
            ha scritto:<br>
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              <p>Hi Lucilla,</p>
              <p>Please clarify the emergency here?  Will a war break
                out if this policy doesn't get changed sooner than the
                normal process?  Will someone die?  What's the emergency
                here?<br>
                <br>
                Kind Regards,<br>
                Jaco<br>
              </p>
              <p>On 2020/12/02 15:22, lucilla fornaro wrote:</p>
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                    <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear Community,</div>
                    <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Section 3.6 of the CPM
                      says: “The process outlined in this document may
                      vary in the case of an emergency. Variance is for
                      use when a one-time waiving of some provision of
                      this document is required”.  </div>
                    <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">The author should not
                      withdraw this important proposal for two reasons:
                      firstly, it is valuable, and secondly, if not
                      approved it will automatically expire. </div>
                    <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I believe this is
                      exactly the moment for the chairs to change the
                      process of the PDP, considering that we do find in
                      the case of an emergency.</div>
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                    <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards Lucilla </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mer 2 dic
                    2020 alle ore 21:48 Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
                      href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
                    ha scritto:<br>
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                      community, 
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Adding to the ongoing discussion on this
                        mailing list, besides the fact that this Request
                        to Recall the PDWG Co-Chairs is based on
                        personal grievances with the co-chairs and
                        emotions, I don’t see a form of fast tracking
                        this ongoing recall process and like the
                        co-chairs stated, the so-called "promotion or
                        fast-track” is of no benefit to them. They (the
                        co-chairs) just performed their administrative
                        function and in the principle of fairness,
                        openness, and transparency, brought it forward
                        to the RPD community for discussion. Likewise,
                        the personal attack needs to stop, saying that
                        the co-chairs are imitating the behavior of an
                        “AFRICAN DICTATOR” whom wants to do everything
                        they can to stay in power including adjusting
                        the country’s constitution went too far and very
                        disrespectful and an insult to their integrity
                        and personality. Also, a disregard to the long
                        hours and dedication that they have put into the
                        service of this AFRINIC organization. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Similarly, proposing a withdrawal of a draft
                        policy proposal is not functional as the CPM
                        3.4.1 elucidates that first, "<span
style="font-size:14px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif">During
                          the development of policy, draft versions of
                          the document are made available for review and
                          comment by publishing them on the AFRINIC
                          website and posting them to the </span><span
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style="font-size:14px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;box-sizing:border-box"><a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(210,114,70);text-decoration-line:none"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a></span><font
                          face="Roboto, sans-serif" color="#757575"><span
                            style="font-size:14px"> mailing list.</span><span
                            style="font-size:14px">”</span><span
                            style="font-size:14px"> </span></font> which
                        is currently happening. Also, the same CPM 3.4.1
                        states that "<span
style="color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">A
                          draft policy expires after one calendar year
                          unless it is approved by the AFRINIC Board of
                          Directors as a policy. </span>Hence, the idea
                        of suggesting a withdrawal should end as well as
                        the personal attacks. If you have an personal
                        issues or grievances with the co-chairs, find a
                        way to settle it with them. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Regards, </div>
                      <div>Elvis. </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
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                              <div><br>
                                I'm a stickler to rules and procedures
                                and not interested or have a vested
                                interest. Therefore consider my notes
                                below as advisory to guide your decision
                                as I do not want to argue for it
                                against.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Aside from providing a context you
                                have given in your earlier email, I must
                                call your attention to this <span
                                  style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Latin
                                  word  <b>“no one should be a judge in
                                    their own cause”</b>. It is one of
                                  the cardinal rules of natural justice
                                  that no one should act as a judge a
                                  case in which they have a personal
                                  (vested) interest.</span>  </div>
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                Secondly, I wish to refer you to section
                                3.41. and  3.4.2. of the CPM as posted
                                below before you invoke sections 3.6
                                which has lots of ambiguity which I have
                                noted in my several correspondence on
                                this mailing list. There  is legal
                                standing of a section of a law or CMP
                                needs to stand as procedures.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Let me try to clarify with a little
                                LAW 101 classroom explanation based on
                                the principle of antecedent law.  This
                                simply means <b>the Nature and
                                  Evolution of the Rules of Procedure
                                  and Evidence. is a doctrine of
                                  interpretation where a
                                  court  interprets a qualifying clause
                                  to refer to the immediately preceding
                                  words or phrases.</b><br>
                                In the light of the above, you must
                                first satisfy the following in this
                                order BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY CONCENSUS
                                DECISION :</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>1: Publish on the website which has
                                not been done or referred to in your
                                email (See CMP section 3.4.1 for advice
                                as seen below)</div>
                              <div>2.  The draft policy shall be
                                available for review for at least four
                                weeks before the next Public Policy
                                Meeting. </div>
                              <div>3: <b><i>CONDITIONAL Statement but
                                    best practice before any meeting or
                                    consensus decision is made: </i></b>The
                                Working Group Chair(s) may request
                                AFRINIC to provide an analysis
                                (technical, financial, legal or other),
                                of the impact of the draft policy
                                proposal.</div>
                              <div>4.  Each policy proposals must be
                                place on an agenda for a PUBLIC MEETING.
                                (This section must be satisfied before
                                you proceed to interpret section 3.6)</div>
                              <div>5.  The agenda of the meeting shall
                                be announced on the Resource Policy
                                Discussion mailing list at least two
                                weeks prior to the meeting. (Are we
                                having another PPM before the end of
                                this year?)<br>
                                <br>
                                Please note that my comments are
                                observations and advisory  to enrich out
                                understanding of the CPM and it's
                                interpretation. <br>
                                <br>
                                Regards</div>
                              <div><br>
                                Caleb Ogundele<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Extract of CPM Referenced<br>
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                                <h3>3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal</h3>
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                                  the development of policy, draft
                                  versions of the document are made
                                  available for review and comment by
                                  publishing them on the AFRINIC website
                                  and posting them to the <span
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style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(210,114,70);text-decoration-line:none"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a></span> mailing
                                  list. Each draft policy is assigned a
                                  unique identifier by AFRINIC and the
                                  AFRINIC website shall also contain the
                                  version history and the status of all
                                  proposals.</p>
                                <p
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                                  5px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The
                                  draft policy shall be available for
                                  review for at least four weeks before
                                  the next Public Policy Meeting. The
                                  author(s) shall make the necessary
                                  changes to the draft policy according
                                  to the feedback received. The Working
                                  Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to
                                  provide an analysis (technical,
                                  financial, legal or other), of the
                                  impact of the draft policy proposal.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
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                                <h3>3.4.2 Public Policy Meeting</h3>
                                <p
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                                  draft policy is placed on the agenda
                                  of an open public policy meeting. The
                                  agenda of the meeting shall be
                                  announced on the Resource Policy
                                  Discussion mailing list at least two
                                  weeks prior to the meeting. No change
                                  can be made to a draft policy within
                                  one week of the meeting. This is so
                                  that a stable version of the draft
                                  policy can be considered at the
                                  meeting. </p>
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed,
                                Dec 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Murungi Daniel
                                <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                <br>
                                > On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Nishal
                                Goburdhan <<a
                                  href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                > <br>
                                > On 2 Dec 2020, at 6:29, ABDULKARIM
                                OLOYEDE wrote:<br>
                                > <br>
                                >> Dear PDWG Members,<br>
                                >> We want to acknowledge the
                                proposal on Co-Chair Recall process<br>
                                > <br>
                                > please pause.<br>
                                > <br>
                                > consider that you are asking this
                                WG if they want to fast track a proposal
                                that you (the co-chairs and policy
                                officer) have neither:<br>
                                > #1 - disclosed to this working
                                group;  sorry, but some random gmail
                                account posting a proprietary binary to
                                this list, is *NOT* a policy
                                submission.  those of us that do not
                                open attachments from random  strangers
                                are waiting for the text version to be
                                posted to this list (as is the norm)<br>
                                > <br>
                                > #2 - given an identifier to yet<br>
                                > <br>
                                > without even knowing the contents
                                of the PDF, there are procedural steps
                                involved in submission that you have not
                                yet completed.  it’s entirely unclear to
                                me how you expect people to assess the
                                value of this proposal when they have
                                not yet had a chance to read it.  and
                                without assessing this value, it’s
                                inconceivable that you would even
                                consider fast tracking this.<br>
                                > <br>
                                > please, stick to the process.<br>
                                > <br>
                                > —n.<br>
                                > <br>
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