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<p>Hello Wijdane,</p>
<p>I disagree with you that there are no good people in our
community. We need not run ourselves down, just to appease a few.
Where did you get this idea of 100% non-involvement of anyone at
this point in time? Is that a well-meaning African? <br>
</p>
<p>If we allow this, someone will arise in the future and argue that
we do not have honest, or well-meaning people to run AFRINIC,
ultimately asking us to lend-a-board from RIR-X. <br>
</p>
<p>Stop running down the people with good intentions in the
community. Stop painting the community with a tar brush. Aren't
the co-chairs volunteers? What is the big deal? If indeed there is
a wrong call, so be it, we will learn from it in the future and
become stronger.</p>
<p> If we intentionally ill-treat volunteers, posterity is there to
remind us, anyway. What is the fuss?<br>
</p>
<p>Sunday.</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/2/20 12:48 PM, Wijdane Goubi
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear community,
<div><br>
I believe that there should be a recall committee that has
never had any involvement with AFRINIC before, otherwise the
judgement won’t be 100% objective and unbiased. As I already
said before, the reasons behind this recall are very obvious,
especially after the constant personal attacking of the
co-chairs for approving one policy and disapproving others.
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Therefore, and in order for the process to be as smooth and
as fair as possible, I strongly support and recommend the
idea of giving the lead to members from other regions
alongside the AFRINIC staff to decide whether the co-chairs
should be removed or not and whether this recall document
should even be taken into consideration.</div>
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Regards,<br>
Wijdane.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 2 déc. 2020 à 01:39,
Ibeanusi Elvis <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>> a
écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Dear Board; Dear all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Following the language
of the CPM’s current policy for
Recall of the PDWG Co-chairs as stated in 3.5 Conflict
Resolution, “…</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;background-color:white">The
AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
committee, excluding the
persons requesting the recall and the Working Group
Chairs</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;background-color:white" lang="EN-US">”.
Based on the ongoing events in the
AFRINIC’s RPD mailing list specifically exacerbated by
the PDP decisions. I
concur that most of the community or AFRINIC members
decisions are already made
up even prior to proper investigations and trial
hearings. Thus, appointing
Recall Committee members that its integrity will not be
challenged and question
often, or a committee with no conflict of interest and
the decisions won’t be
politicized or biased but rather their judgement will be
based on the principle
of impartiality, fairness and objectivity is going to be
difficult. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;font-size:10.5pt">Therefore, I
advocate that the Board of Directors
should appoint a Recall Committee composed of people
from outside the AFRINIC
region (APNIC, ARIN, RIPE NCC) whom has had no prior or
past involvement with
the AFRINIC before. This Recall Committee with the
assistance of the AFRINIC
staff will be provided with the necessary documents and
information that will
aid them in having a clear understanding of the present
situation. The purpose
of this appointment is to ensure that the Recall
Committee’s judgement will be
objective, fair and impartial thus not being a political
decision.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;font-size:10.5pt">Elvis.</span></p>
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<div>On Nov 28, 2020, at 22:24, Emem William <<a
href="mailto:dwizard65@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">dwizard65@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hello Everyone,
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">I strongly believe there's more to
this recall request than what the proposers claim
to be thier reasons.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">If the co-chairs were not working as
supposed to, why then did we unanimously re-elect
the second co-chair in the last meeting.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">I suggest the people behind these
should seek better ways of resolving thier
greivances rather than complicating issued in
AFRINIC. Co-chairs were elected not appointed, and
voters did not come from they moon, we all voted
them in.<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">Best regards,<br>
Emem William<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 26,
2020, 20:51 Sunday Folayan <<a
href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 11/26/20
2:44 PM, Frank Habicht wrote:<br>
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> On 26/11/2020 15:26, Fernando Frediani wrote:<br>
> ...<br>
>> "3.5.3 - Anyone may request the recall of
a Working Group Chair at any<br>
>> time, upon written request with
justification to the AFRINIC Board of<br>
>> Directors. The request must be supported
by at least five (5) other<br>
>> persons from the Working Group. The
AFRINIC Board of Directors shall<br>
>> appoint a recall committee, excluding the
persons requesting the recall<br>
>> and the Working Group Chairs. The recall
committee shall investigate the<br>
>> circumstances of the justification for
the recall *and determine the<br>
>> outcome.*"<br>
> in my opinion "the outcome" clearly means
*the outcome of the recall*.<br>
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<br>
+1<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Frank<br>
><br>
>
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