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    <p>Hello Wijdane,</p>
    <p>I disagree with you that there are no good people in our
      community. We need not run ourselves down, just to appease a few.
      Where did you get this idea of 100% non-involvement of anyone at
      this point in time? Is that a well-meaning African? <br>
    </p>
    <p>If we allow this, someone will arise in the future and argue that
      we do not have honest, or well-meaning people to run AFRINIC,
      ultimately asking us to lend-a-board from RIR-X. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Stop running down the people with good intentions in the
      community. Stop painting the community with a tar brush. Aren't
      the co-chairs volunteers? What is the big deal? If indeed there is
      a wrong call, so be it, we will learn from it in the future and
      become stronger.</p>
    <p> If we intentionally ill-treat volunteers, posterity is there to
      remind us, anyway. What is the fuss?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Sunday.</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/2/20 12:48 PM, Wijdane Goubi
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Dear community,
        <div><br>
          I believe that there should be a recall committee that has
          never had any involvement with AFRINIC before, otherwise the
          judgement won’t be 100% objective and unbiased. As I already
          said before, the reasons behind this recall are very obvious,
          especially after the constant personal attacking of the
          co-chairs for approving one policy and disapproving others.
          <div><br>
            Therefore, and in order for the process to be as smooth and
            as fair as possible, I strongly support and recommend the
            idea of giving the lead to members from other regions
            alongside the AFRINIC staff to decide whether the co-chairs
            should be removed or not and whether this recall document
            should even be taken into consideration.</div>
          <div><br>
            Regards,<br>
            Wijdane.<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 2 déc. 2020 à 01:39,
          Ibeanusi Elvis <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>> a
          écrit :<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Dear Board; Dear all,</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Following the language
                of the CPM’s current policy for
                Recall of the PDWG Co-chairs as stated in 3.5 Conflict
                Resolution, “…</span><span
                style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif;background-color:white">The
                AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
                committee, excluding the
                persons requesting the recall and the Working Group
                Chairs</span><span
                style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif;background-color:white" lang="EN-US">”.
                Based on the ongoing events in the
                AFRINIC’s RPD mailing list specifically exacerbated by
                the PDP decisions. I
                concur that most of the community or AFRINIC members
                decisions are already made
                up even prior to proper investigations and trial
                hearings. Thus, appointing
                Recall Committee members that its integrity will not be
                challenged and question
                often, or a committee with no conflict of interest and
                the decisions won’t be
                politicized or biased but rather their judgement will be
                based on the principle
                of impartiality, fairness and objectivity is going to be
                difficult. </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times
                New Roman",serif;font-size:10.5pt">Therefore, I
                advocate that the Board of Directors
                should appoint a Recall Committee composed of people
                from outside the AFRINIC
                region (APNIC, ARIN, RIPE NCC) whom has had no prior or
                past involvement with
                the AFRINIC before. This Recall Committee with the
                assistance of the AFRINIC
                staff will be provided with the necessary documents and
                information that will
                aid them in having a clear understanding of the present
                situation. The purpose
                of this appointment is to ensure that the Recall
                Committee’s judgement will be
                objective, fair and impartial thus not being a political
                decision.</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times
                New Roman",serif;font-size:10.5pt">Elvis.</span></p>
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                <div>On Nov 28, 2020, at 22:24, Emem William <<a
                    href="mailto:dwizard65@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">dwizard65@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:</div>
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                  <div dir="auto">Hello Everyone,
                    <div dir="auto"><br>
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                    <div dir="auto">I strongly believe there's more to
                      this recall request than what the proposers claim
                      to be thier reasons.</div>
                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="auto">If the co-chairs were not working as
                      supposed to, why then did we unanimously re-elect
                      the second co-chair in the last meeting.</div>
                    <div dir="auto"><br>
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                    <div dir="auto">I suggest the people behind these
                      should seek better ways of resolving thier
                      greivances rather than complicating issued in
                      AFRINIC. Co-chairs were elected not appointed, and
                      voters did not come from they moon, we all voted
                      them in.<br>
                      <br>
                      <div dir="auto">Best regards,<br>
                        Emem William<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 26,
                      2020, 20:51 Sunday Folayan <<a
                        href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 11/26/20
                      2:44 PM, Frank Habicht wrote:<br>
                      ><br>
                      > On 26/11/2020 15:26, Fernando Frediani wrote:<br>
                      > ...<br>
                      >> "3.5.3 - Anyone may request the recall of
                      a Working Group Chair at any<br>
                      >> time, upon written request with
                      justification to the AFRINIC Board of<br>
                      >> Directors. The request must be supported
                      by at least five (5) other<br>
                      >> persons from the Working Group. The
                      AFRINIC Board of Directors shall<br>
                      >> appoint a recall committee, excluding the
                      persons requesting the recall<br>
                      >> and the Working Group Chairs. The recall
                      committee shall investigate the<br>
                      >> circumstances of the justification for
                      the recall *and determine the<br>
                      >> outcome.*"<br>
                      > in my opinion "the outcome" clearly means
                      *the outcome of the recall*.<br>
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                      +1<br>
                      <br>
                      Sunday.<br>
                      <br>
                      ><br>
                      > Frank<br>
                      ><br>
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