<div dir="auto">Dear All,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I really want to know what personal benefits one gets from being a Co-Chair. I may wish to contest the position at the next available opportunity.But of course if there is personal benefits attached to it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For God sake let us show some respect to people who have agreed to do what most of us cannot and will not agree to do for free.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Whether it is said or not it is a volunteer work, however if there is another name for the work of the Co-chairs let us have it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Possibly let us try a self regulaing PWDG and see if we make any head way in this jungle we live in. No need for Co-Chairs. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my strongest opinion the current Co-Chairs are patient and accommodating. I wonder what I will do if I was in their shoes. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Simply,</div><div dir="auto">Daniel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 2, 2020 8:47 PM, "Murungi Daniel" <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Kindly stop with the crappy “voluntary” argument. </div><div><br></div><div>The task of Co-chair is a position of service to the community and voluntary or not, should be held in high esteem. </div><div><br></div><div>And yes, there is a lot to gain from serving as Co-chair.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Daniel</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Wijdane Goubi <<a href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" target="_blank">goubi.wijdane@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Dear community,<br><br>I would like to start by saying that wanting to hurry up and end this mess in order to move on and take over discussion other proposals has absolutely nothing to do with fast-tracking the ongoing recall process and there is neither reason nor benefit for the co-chairs to fast-track anything at all. At the same time, invoking the section 3.6 of the CPM was demanded and suggested by the community, thus, it is not fair to blame the co-chairs for addressing it and accusing them of rushing or “fast-tracking” the process. Their job is VOLUNTARY and some members make it seems like they are gaining something out of it.<br>The co-chairs acknowledge that some of the claims may be valid, and are calmly and clearly outlining the true concerns and reasons why some of the community members oppose by asking for related subjects and arguments and hoping for the community to give them a clear direction as to which way to go and yet there is nothing but personal attacking and pointless emotions.<br>Regarding the so-called “AFRICAN DICTATOR”, besides the fact of it being very disrespectful, it is so irrelevant, as the meaning of a “dictator” is someone who behaves in an autocratic way and a person who exercises absolute power with unrestricted control, typically one who has obtained control by force. Certainly, it does not seems to be the case with the co-chairs, as all they do, is literally dedicating themselves to their job by performing their administrative functions and working hard to solve the community’s concerns.<br><br>Regards, <br>Wijdane.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 2 déc. 2020 à 15:49, Mirriam via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ekatarina <br><br>I read your email and I noted another baseless claim that people have personal agendas.<br><br>Please spell those agendas as you claim.<br><br>I am waiting.<br><br>Mirriam</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div>
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<div><div id="m_-4879884340959428078gmail-m_-3129659895021347585yiv7523754677"><div><div>Dear community,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>First of all, I would like to note that it is not fair to attack the co-chairs on the decision to invoke the article 3.6 of the CPM. This idea is not their initiative, rather it was proposed by a community member and all the co-chairs are doing its listening to the concerns of the community, as their duties require.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Secondly, the co-chairs are not making any unilateral decisions and instead are asking for community feedback on the matter, again, as their duties require. But instead of giving the necessary feedback, some of the members seem to focus on personally attacking the chairs instead. Also, I really doubt that "African dictators" would ask for the feedback of the community. Please let us stay rational here.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thirdly, I fail to see how the proposed policy would benefit the co-chairs. All it does is add a few mechanisms that ensure objectivity and transparency of the recall process. This policy would ensure that the chairs are recalled for a good reason and not because their decisions got in the way of some personal agendas.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So let us focus on keeping the process as fair and objective as possible. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best wishes, </div><div>Ekaterina </div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div><div id="m_-4879884340959428078gmail-m_-3129659895021347585yiv7523754677yqt18861"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, 14:39 Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Good Day to All,</p><p>There are a few sensible responses to settling the dust arising
from the recall attempts of the current Co-Chairs and the new
proposal to make changes to the CPM on recall procedure. Thank you
Egbon Sunday, yours is calming.</p><p>However I will want to say thus:</p><p>1. There wouldn't have been all these back and forth if not that
some members of the community feel that their opinions must always
be accepted. This is clearly demonstrated by the Authors of the
recall document, coming with trumped up charges to secure a
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</p><p>2. The appeal for the Author of the Policy on Changes on the
provisions of recall to withdraw the proposal is a good call. But,
again the Co-authors are duty bound to act on the proposal, if it
is not withdrawn. Importantly, there is no urgency on the matter.
Either way the changes being advocated cannot possibly be use in
the current Recall procedure, the existing provisions will apply.
Therefore, we should calm nerves knowing that the Co-Chairs will
not sit in judgement on matters that affects them as been
insinuated by the usual "suspects".</p><p>3. For me I strongly believe that within us we can resolve all
matters, there are still a few good men/women that see things
clearly and objectively. If we must add an outsider, we can have
one in the Recall committee.</p><p>4. While we await the actions of the Board on the constitution of
the Recall committee and the final action of the committee. I will
suggest that members should give the Co-Chairs some breathing
space, the bashing and harassment is not helping.</p><p><br clear="none">
</p><p>Simply,</p><p>Daniel<br clear="none">
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I am still hoping the said proposal will be withdrawn by the
author, or at the least, wait for us to learn from the
implementation of the current recall provisions in the CPM.<br clear="none"><p>Please stick with the laid down process. There is no emergency,
or a reason for one.</p><p>Greetings to the two Co-Chairs. Please relax ... uneasy lies
the mouth that eats hot Aloco!<br clear="none">
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