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<p>Dear Ekaterina,</p>
<p>Removing the "final say" of the Recall Committee and making it a
vote by the community is an important value.</p>
<p>All the procedural details outlined are fully exploitable, making
is all work, but no motion.<br>
</p>
<p>Sunday.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/26/20 4:36 PM, Ekaterina Kalugina
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Sunday, dear community,
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<div dir="auto">First of all, I would like to point out that I
see no reason to withdraw the policy proposal completely,
although some minor editorial changes and corrections of
stylistic and grammatical mistakes might be necessary.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto"> In regards to its content, a proper discussion
from the side of the community is due.</div>
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<div dir="auto">From my side, I do not think that the proposal
adds operational burdens to the board. Rather, in my view, it
makes the process of recall more clear and explicit. The board
is already making a decision on whether or not each request is
duly justified and worth appointing a committee. The present
policy just spells out this process and adds a deadline for
the board to make its decision. I think it is a necessary
addition as having the board entertain all recall requests
without assessing the justifications can prove to be a serious
waste of the AFRINIC resources in the long run.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Moreover, setting a recall committee is
necessary even if the board decided that a request is
justified. The board here only determines whether or not the
request has legitimate grounds, while the committee is the one
conducting a thorough investigation and making a final report
on the issue. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Secondly, I believe that the evaluation of the
appointed committee members by the community is necessary to
ensure the committee's integrity and ascertain that there are
no conflicts of interest. When it comes to a 6 week waiting
period, I agree that it is excessive and perhaps could be
shortened as to streamline the process. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Thirdly, I believe that it is very important
that this proposal outlines the community's participation in
every step of the recall process. The AFRINIC is governed
through a bottom up process, so it makes sense that the
ultimate decision-making power shall remain in the hands of
the community. I don't think it would be fair for the recall
committee to make such a decision unilaterally. It would
rather make more sense for them to create a comprehensive
report where they outline all facts and conclusions that is
then brought forward to the community for a deciding vote. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Overall, in my view, this policy contains import
clarifications to the recall process. In addition, it aims to
reinforce AFRINIC's governance values in the sense of keeping
the decision making power within the community. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I believe this proposal is a valuable addition
to the CPM and thus im looking forward to hear more feedback
on this regard from the side of the community. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Best wishes, </div>
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<div dir="auto">Ekaterina</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 25 Nov 2020, 09:54
Sunday Folayan <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Good Morning,</p>
<p>Apologies for a long email, but ... If it has to be, it
has to be and up to us.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>In order to ensure that we focus on what is helpful, let
me point out a couple of issues with this proposed policy.<br>
</p>
<p>Referring to the CPM <br>
</p>
<p>3.4 Policy Development Process<br>
<b>Anyone can submit a proposal. Policy proposals are
submitted to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list
(<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>)
by the author</b>. AFRINIC will provide administrative
support and assist the author(s) in drafting the proposal
if requested. AFRINIC shall also provide relevant facts
and statistics if requested during the discussion.<br>
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<p>One can see that:<br>
</p>
<p>1. The submission was sent to <a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>
... This is OK</p>
<p>2. The submission was addressed to the Co-Chairs ... This
is Unnecessary</p>
<p>3. Addressing the Co-Chairs could suggest that they must
acknowledge ... Not really</p>
<p>4. The Co-Chairs must trigger discussions ... Not
according to the CPM.</p>
<p>5. The Co-Chairs not acting immediately, could kill a
proposal ... Not at all<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Having outlined the above, let us deal with the substance
of the proposal - co-chair recall. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
The substance of the current recall provision in the CPM
is:</p>
<p> - The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
committee</p>
<p> - The recall committee shall investigate the
circumstances of the justification for the recall</p>
<p> - The conclusion of the recall committee shall
determine the outcome<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>It is important to therefore note that:<br>
</p>
<p> - The Appointment of the Recall committee is at the
discretion and wisdom of the AfriNIC Board.</p>
<p> - Beyond appointing a recall committee, the AfriNIC
Board does not even need to know the merit or otherwise of
the recall</p>
- The recall committee's work/report, does not require the
approval of the AfriNIC Board.
<p> - The entire process does not have any input from the
rpd.<br>
</p>
<p> - The process has never been tested.<br>
</p>
<p> - The recall committee's modus Operandi is a black-box.
Hence until it is tested, it is not wise to modify it <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The substance of the proposed policy: </p>
<p> - The AfriNIC Board shall investigate the circumstances
of the justification for the recall</p>
<p> - The investigation will include community
consultations<br>
</p>
<p> - The AfriNIC Board will junk the recall, if it sees no
justification for the recall</p>
<p> - The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall then appoint a
recall committee</p>
<p> - There is a time waster - Name Challenge process
embedded therein. Pick 9 members one at a time for 6
weeks. One Year is gone!<br>
</p>
<p> - If the Recall committee Stands, it will go ahead and
determine if a recall is necessary</p>
<p> - If a recall if not necessary, its work is done.</p>
<p> - If a recall is necessary, it will submit a report to
RPD, that will then vote whether to recall or not</p>
<p> - A Supermajority vote (70%) is needed to affirm the
recall</p>
<p> - Where the vote is not obtained, the recall also
fails.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The substance of this draft proposal seeks to alter the
pillar of minimum Board involvement, without clearly
articulating why.</p>
<p>Indeed, it goes ahead to burden the Board with more work.<br>
</p>
<p>Especially With:</p>
<p>(A) The Board shall first investigate into the recall
request within 4 weeks upon receiving the recall request
and decide whether the recall request is justified or not,
after having consulted with the community’s opinion in the
mailing list.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
This is at total variance with the spirit of the current
process and provisions that simple gives the Board an
administrative duty of appointing the independent committee
that will then go ahead to determine the appropriateness of
the recall request.<br>
<p>The proposal brings the Board into the role of being the
RPD umpire, and determining the merits or otherwise of the
recall request, before setting up a committee. Why the
need to setup a committee, if it will have determined the
merit or otherwise of the recall proposal?<br>
</p>
<p>All other details of the proposal follow the same pattern
... solving a perceived problem, without really paying
attention to the underlining principle that allows
flexibility and creativity, without allowing process
capture. <br>
</p>
<p>Indeed, proceeding on pushing this proposal through, will
take at least One Public Policy meeting, and therefore
will not meet the needs of the current situation.<br>
</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, I think the Author should withdraw
the proposal which was definitely submitted in haste, wait
for the play of the current situation, see the
determination of the matter, learn from it, and then use
the experience to make a proposal that will be better ...
but definitely not with all those details in the draft
proposal that are laced with traps and mines, too many for
me to begin to enumerate herein.</p>
<p>Volunteer work is extensive, demanding and requires a lot
of input. Haste in not one of those ingredients.<br>
</p>
<p>Do have a nice day.<br>
</p>
<p>Sunday.</p>
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<div>On 11/24/20 2:56 PM, Abdulrauf Yamta wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Co-Chairs</div>
<div>Please find attached a policy proposal named
AFRINIC Co-Chair Recall process. In view of some
current development, and the need to have a recall
process properly defined we seek that the chairs
should seek that this proposal be discussed
immediately.</div>
<div>Thanks </div>
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<b>Yamta</b></div>
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