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    <p>Hello Wijdane,</p>
    <p>I am not for or against the recall, but the endless suggestions
      at variance to the CPM will not help.</p>
    <p>The CPM is very clear as to the process for handling this issue,
      and we should stop throwing any argument under the guise of
      disagreement. (Bullets simply for easy reading)<br>
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    <p><b>3.5  Conflict Resolution</b><b><br>
      </b><b> - Anyone may request the recall of a Working Group Chair
        at any time, </b><b><br>
      </b></p>
    <p><b> - upon written request with justification to the AFRINIC
        Board of Directors. </b><b><br>
      </b></p>
    <p><b> - The request must be supported by at least five (5) other
        persons from the Working Group. </b><b><br>
      </b></p>
    <p><b> - The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
        committee, </b><b><br>
      </b></p>
    <p><b> - excluding the persons requesting the recall and the Working
        Group Chairs. </b><b><br>
      </b></p>
    <p><b> - The recall committee shall investigate the circumstances of
        the justification for the recall and determine the outcome.</b><b><br>
      </b></p>
    <p>For now, let us follow the laid down process.<br>
    </p>
    <p>If this is not acceptable to you, then initiate a modification of
      the policy, to allow the recall or re-affirmation of Chairs via
      some form of balloting. <br>
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    <p>Allow the Board act in accordance with the CPM by appointing a
      recall committee.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Please leave the recall committee to determine fairness, based on
      the submitted justification.</p>
    <p>We have always learnt from all actions. We will learn from the
      process, and we will do it better next time.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Sunday.</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/22/20 12:00 PM, Wijdane Goubi
      wrote:<br>
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          <div>Dear community,</div>
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          As you can all notice, there is a huge disagreement going on
          concerning the request to recall the co-chairs, which many
          have pointed out to be biased and unjust. Thus, I believe it
          would only be fair to organize a vote about whether this
          request shall proceed on not. We have always proved as a
          community to be efficient in solving issues through the most
          democratic and fair ways and I believe this a crucial moment
          where we need to do so as well.<br>
          <br>
          Jeopardizing the reputation and position of two individuals
          shouldn’t be as easy as it is, otherwise, it will encourage
          individuals in the future to abuse the request of recall
          whenever there is a personal motive. Such a serious decision
          of recalling the chairs should not lay at the hand of six
          people out of a big community whose voice matters as equally.
          I believe this will not only be fair to the co-chairs but also
          to both parties who seem to argue or disagree with the
          request.<br>
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        <div> </div>
        <div>Regards</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 20 nov. 2020 à 15:10,
          Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a
          écrit :<br>
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            <p>I am glad to see the same and very repeating only
              argument against this Recall Request is that some (not
              all) of the authors are also authors of 'competing
              proposals' (as if the PDWG was a battle of proposals) and
              trying to make up as if this was something forbidden.<br>
            </p>
            <p>Everything that was done in both the Appeal and the
              Recall Request is done strictly in the line with what the
              CPM allows so there is nothing else others that are
              moaning about can do other than wait for the output.<br>
            </p>
            <p>Please leave with the Board to do its job. It's entirely
              up to them to consider if the justifications given make
              sense or not.<br>
              Fernando<br>
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            <div>On 20/11/2020 10:58, Ekaterina Kalugina wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Dear community,</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto">As Andrew pointed out: "Anyone may
                  request the recall of a Working Group Chair at any
                  time, upon written request with justification to the
                  AFRINIC Board of Directors." </div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto">The problem here is that there are no
                  valid justifications to support the present recall
                  request. As many of the members including myself
                  already pointed out, this recall request is
                  unjustified as it is not based on objective facts.
                  Rather, this request is largely unfounded and
                  supported by biased arguments and bitter emotional
                  accusations. No tangible evidence has been presented
                  to support the case. There is also a serious conflict
                  of interest as some of the signatories happen to be
                  authors of a competing transfer proposal, while others
                  were denied the position of a chair in the previous
                  elections. </div>
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                <div dir="auto">This request is also generally done in
                  bad faith. It's text refers to a number of appeals to
                  justify its legitimacy. Yet, these appeals were all
                  launched by the very same people who signed this
                  recall request. In my view, this is an unfair move
                  that seeks to bend the PDP to the agendas of a few.
                  Such behavior undermines the legitimacy of the whole
                  process and should not be tolerated. Thus, I contend
                  that this recall request lacks enough justifications
                  to be considered legitimate.</div>
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                <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto">Ekaterina </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 20 Nov 2020,
                  11:23 lucilla fornaro <<a
                    href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear Community,</div>
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                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Many pointed out the
                        Board now needs to appoint an impartial recall
                        committee, and that’s what I hope.</div>
                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">From my perspective,
                        the recall lacks objective, accurate, and
                        impartial evidence, and it seems to be the
                        consequence of resentment and disappointment.</div>
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                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">"Conclusions"
                        reports a clear example of what I am talking
                        about:</div>
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                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">“The co-chairs
                        continue to ignore the numerous calls to them to
                        take the proposal back for further
                        discussions." </div>
                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">This is exactly the
                        opposite of what happened! Co-chairs after a
                        member’s request extended the last call to allow
                        further discussions. This is a fact, and I
                        cannot understand how it is possible to
                        misrepresent it. To me, this is bad faith, and I
                        see no reason for this recall to exist. It is
                        just the last of several attempts to intimidate
                        the community and co-chairs.</div>
                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards,</div>
                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
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                      <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Lucilla </div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 19
                      nov 2020 alle ore 22:48 Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <<a
                        href="mailto:akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng</a>>
                      ha scritto:<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default">At least this is an
                          objective way forward for me, and yes of
                          course <i><font color="#0b5394">with the
                              exclusion of the co-chairs and
                              complainants</font></i> as earlier
                          clarified. The main hassle now is getting
                          neutral parties that will serve in the Recall
                          Committee devoid of any bias and
                          intimidation to finally bring this issue to a
                          close.</div>
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                          19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Andrew Alston <<a
                            href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Up
                                  until now, I’ve stayed pretty silent
                                  on this, because quite frankly – I
                                  have no issues with the chairs and if
                                  they stay or go makes very little
                                  difference in my life.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That
                                  being said – the one thing I do care
                                  about is the process.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So
                                  – let’s look at that.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section
                                  3.5 of the consolidated policy manual
                                  states:</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-family:Symbol">·</span> 
                                Anyone may request the recall of a
                                Working Group Chair at any time, upon
                                written request with justification to
                                the AFRINIC Board of Directors. The
                                request must be supported by at least
                                five (5) other persons from the Working
                                Group. The AFRINIC Board of Directors
                                shall appoint a recall committee,
                                excluding the persons requesting the
                                recall and the Working Group Chairs. The
                                recall committee shall investigate the
                                circumstances of the justification for
                                the recall and determine the outcome.</p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So
                                  – it is at the discretion of those who
                                  requested the recall to do so – that
                                  much is clear – if we don’t like that
                                  – change the PDP.  The board however,
                                  is now obligated under the PDP to
                                  appoint a recall committee, as per the
                                  above point, that includes the working
                                  group chairs and the complainants, and
                                  that committee then reviews,
                                  deliberates and delivers a verdict. 
                                  My reading of that is that the
                                  committee appointed shall be appointed
                                  from the community – though that may
                                  well be a subjective reading of the
                                  text. I would hope that the board
                                  would endeavor to appoint individuals
                                  entirely divorced from this mess on
                                  the list who can be objective and
                                  impartial in their review of the
                                  available evidence and then render a
                                  verdict based on hard fact and
                                  evidence.  But whichever way this
                                  happens – we have a policy process –
                                  and while we may or may not like the
                                  outcomes of the policy process – the
                                  process is sacrosanct and must be
                                  observed and followed, and if we don’t
                                  like what the process says – the PDP
                                  process  allows for us, as members of
                                  the PDP, to change that process
                                  through the rough consensus process.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
                              <div>
                                <div style="border-style:solid none
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:36pt"><b><span
                                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                      lang="EN-US"> <a
                                        href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">dc@darwincosta.com</a>
                                      <<a
                                        href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">dc@darwincosta.com</a>>
                                      <br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 November
                                      2020 11:04<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> Gaby Giner <<a
                                        href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>;
                                      rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
                                      Policy <<a
                                        href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] REQUEST
                                      TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG
                                      CO-CHAIRS</span></p>
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                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote
                                  style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                    On 19 Nov 2020, at 07:23, Gaby Giner
                                    <<a
                                      href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                      rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:</p>
                                </blockquote>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:36pt"></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                            lang="FR">Everyone,</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> <b><span
                                              lang="FR"> </span></b></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> Most
                                          of the arguments advanced are
                                          irrelevant and completely out
                                          of the context of the nature
                                          of the demand to recall the
                                          co-chairs. Therefore, it would
                                          make the whole request null
                                          and invalid.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
                                            A:</b></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> This
                                          part does not have any
                                          violations or dishonest acts
                                          done by any of the co-chairs.
                                          They have had no influence
                                          whatsoever on neither the
                                          meeting participants nor their
                                          reaction (which I don't see
                                          the relevance here anyway).
                                          This looks like a normal
                                          election process to me, not
                                          only in this particular field
                                          but for everything and
                                          everywhere else in the world.
                                          Stating otherwise is either
                                          naïve or just clueless. Also,
                                          protests from a losing party
                                          look like a normal reaction to
                                          me in an election, some more
                                          sore than others as evidenced
                                          by recent presidential
                                          elections in the US, but I
                                          digress. All of the points
                                          made in this part are wholly
                                          immaterial and should be
                                          dismissed.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
                                            B :</b></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> 1.)</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> I
                                          noticed you keep basing your
                                          arguments on "it was
                                          observed", "Observed by a
                                          participant" and "Following
                                          the suspicions". Serious
                                          accusations should be based on
                                          actual proof and precise
                                          arguments: not guesses,
                                          suspicions, and some anonymous
                                          witnesses and vague
                                          insinuations. Anyone can come
                                          up with scenarios if they are
                                          unfounded and unproven,
                                          especially if they are about
                                          events that have occurred a
                                          very long time ago but were
                                          not reported at the exact
                                          time. What makes it the best
                                          moment now? And why didn't you
                                          ask to recall the co-chairs
                                          back then if you had all the
                                          necessary proof? This makes
                                          absolutely no sense because if
                                          your intentions are as honest
                                          as you claim they are, this
                                          should have been handled a
                                          while ago and not right after
                                          the same community reelected
                                          one of the same co-chairs.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">
                                          Nevertheless, this is a
                                          blatant interference in two
                                          people's personal life. I hope
                                          this behavior won't start
                                          encouraging individuals to
                                          begin following co-chairs to
                                          hotels and anywhere else
                                          outside the PPM conference
                                          room. We are talking about two
                                          people who were brave enough
                                          to volunteer to do a job that
                                          starts and ends inside the PPM
                                          room and in the mailing list.
                                          Whatever else they do in their
                                          private time shouldn't be of
                                          anyone's concern and has
                                          nothing to do with their work
                                          integrity.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> 2.)</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">
                                          There isn't anything wrong
                                          with the video, and nothing
                                          you have stated appears to
                                          exist. I think you are the one
                                          that interpreted the meeting
                                          in a biased way. The co-chairs
                                          simply gave recommendations
                                          that they think favor the
                                          community and are related to
                                          managing the PDP, which is
                                          totally in their scope. As
                                          long as it's not enforced,
                                          then no harm is intended nor
                                          done. </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> 3.)</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> The
                                          rpd list in an open space
                                          where individuals are free to
                                          respond, converse, and argue.
                                          As long as no offense or
                                          attacks are intended, the
                                          freedom to defend oneself
                                          should not be censored just
                                          because "seniors" as you call
                                          it, are involved. Particularly
                                          when we all know that there
                                          has been a serious history of
                                          bullying and unfounded
                                          accusations on the list. I'm
                                          starting to feel weary of this
                                          back-and-forth on this matter,
                                          but nevertheless it is still
                                          worth reiterating—the RPD list
                                          is a fair space where all
                                          individuals are equal, and
                                          everyone's input is welcome.
                                          So your personal feelings
                                          should not interfere in your
                                          judgment on the work and
                                          integrity of the co-chairs,
                                          nor in your request to recall
                                          them.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
                                            C :</b></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> As
                                          far as I know, the community
                                          handled both the online
                                          meeting and election process
                                          matters. It is not the
                                          co-chair's duty to handle this
                                          sort of thing but rather the
                                          community members by vote.
                                          They only had to manage the
                                          discussions and take into
                                          consideration the opinions,
                                          which they correctly did.
                                          Therefore, section (1) is
                                          utterly wrong.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> For
                                          the rest, let me summarize it
                                          like this :</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> All
                                          of this seems very suspicious
                                          and makes me think that there
                                          is some personal motive or
                                          agenda behind this request. If
                                          the community was discontented
                                          with the current co-chairs, it
                                          could have easily prevented
                                          Abdul Kareem to be reelected
                                          again, which was not the case.
                                        </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> <b><i>"The
                                              co-chairs continue to
                                              ignore the numerous calls
                                              to them to take the
                                              proposal back for further
                                              discussions."</i></b> This
                                          is absolutely not true, and it
                                          can easily be proven if you
                                          just take the time to go back
                                          to the previous thread about
                                          the policy, extending its last
                                          call, and calling for
                                          additional comments. The
                                          co-chairs have gone back and
                                          forth to satisfy the
                                          community's concerns and have
                                          extended the policy's
                                          discussion time. So did the
                                          authors who have managed to
                                          resolve every issue and
                                          improve the policy, but lately
                                          no one seemed to have any new
                                          or further objections.
                                          Logically this would convince
                                          the co-chairs to finally give
                                          the go signal for the proposal
                                          because it can't be stuck
                                          forever with the same people
                                          who were raising concerns
                                          being suddenly quiet. There is
                                          no logic at all, and the
                                          procedure was followed
                                          according to protocol.
                                          Therefore, the argument is not
                                          valid.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">
                                          Saying that the co-chairs
                                          violated the PDP by suggesting
                                          amendments to proposals is no
                                          violation in itself because
                                          the CPM never mentioned
                                          explicitly that they are not
                                          allowed to do so. The
                                          co-chairs again are within
                                          their scope.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt"> The
                                          WG is managed by the CPM,
                                          which is very clear about the
                                          PDP. You have mentioned
                                          several times arguments about
                                          violations of the PDP etcetera
                                          without stating what and where
                                          it contradicts what the CPM
                                          says. Unless you do that, I
                                          don't see the validity of all
                                          the related arguments. You
                                          can't judge what a violation
                                          is based on whether it aligns
                                          with your personal agenda or
                                          not. There are rules and
                                          instructions that have been
                                          created to be followed and not
                                          subjectively interpreted.</p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">
                                          Finally, I totally understand
                                          your discontentment with the
                                          whole situation since the
                                          transfer policies were in a
                                          tough competition and since
                                          you are the authors of the
                                          other proposal. You can be
                                          unsatisfied for as long as you
                                          can, but let me say that it is
                                          no valid excuse or
                                          justification to make an
                                          unfounded request to recall
                                          the co-chairs whose sole job
                                          is to manage the PDP. Not only
                                          the arguments are invalid and
                                          biased, but there is no actual
                                          proof to support the claims
                                          and accusations, so I urge the
                                          board to look into this
                                          urgently and dismiss it.
                                          Otherwise, the PDP and the
                                          AFRINIC community will no
                                          longer be the same, which will
                                          be a shame.</p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Just
                                  to comment here in between. I don’t
                                  think the main cause here is
                                  “discontentment” but rather how this
                                  proposal was conducted including last
                                  minute changes.</span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>IMHO
                                  and someone has mentioned here on this
                                  tread “collaborative work between all
                                  the authors” - well I would definitely
                                  agree that this is something that
                                  makes a community a better place. </span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
                                  only concern with this proposal and
                                  all the changes made it on the last
                                  call is that the changes were made at
                                  wrong stage of the process. </span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Last
                                  but not least, remember the discussion
                                  between Cohen and Ronald here couple
                                  of weeks ago? Well same discussion is
                                  running again on the NANOG
                                  mailinglist. And the main concern here
                                  is: </span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <p
                                style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72pt">
                                <span
                                  style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>      
                                    </span></span></span><span>Where we
                                  conservative enough when all those
                                  resources were sold? </span></p>
                              <p
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                                <span
                                  style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>      
                                    </span></span></span><span>Are we
                                  even seeing this resources back
                                  anytime soon? Maybe not.... maybe
                                  never...</span></p>
                              <p
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                                <span
                                  style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>      
                                    </span></span></span><span>Not to
                                  mention how many African startups or
                                  unborn ISP(s) will have to fight for
                                  v4 addresses when those are not
                                  anymore available at Afrinic... We all
                                  know where they will have to go
                                  to......</span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>I
                                  could go even further but I will stop
                                  here by saying - What happened in the
                                  past can happen again and only time
                                  will tell how good or bad this
                                  proposal is FOR US. </span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>As
                                  community we need to protect AFRINIC
                                  interests instead of individuals
                                  benefits.... </span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
                                  2cts.</span></p>
                              <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                              <blockquote
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:36pt">Thanks,
                                                Gaby</p>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
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                              </blockquote>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:36pt">Darwin-.</p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:36pt"><br>
                                  <br>
                                </p>
                                <blockquote
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                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:36pt">On
                                              Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:51
                                              AM lucilla fornaro <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                              wrote:</p>
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                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Dear
                                                    Community,</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">I
                                                    believe that the
                                                    multiple accusations
                                                    towards Co-Chairs,
                                                    and of course, the
                                                    current request to
                                                    recall is
                                                    suspicious, unfair,
                                                    and in bad faith. </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">The
                                                    recall seems to be a
                                                    sort of intimidatory
                                                    attempt of revenge
                                                    for the mere fact
                                                    that their proposals
                                                    did not reach
                                                    consensus.</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">I
                                                    was not a member of
                                                    Afrinic when
                                                    Co-chairs were
                                                    elected, but based
                                                    on what is written
                                                    on the recall, I
                                                    cannot understand
                                                    how Co-chairs are to
                                                    be considered
                                                    responsible for
                                                    previous Co-chairs'
                                                    resignation. </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">According
                                                    to paragraph 1, I
                                                    understand authors’
                                                    are suggesting an
                                                    ex-parte
                                                    communication, once
                                                    again without
                                                    documentation. The
                                                    point is, every
                                                    single human
                                                    behavior might be
                                                    misunderstood, that
                                                    is why without
                                                    shreds of evidence,
                                                    these kinds of
                                                    accusations should
                                                    not even be
                                                    mentioned. </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">I
                                                    feel the recall is
                                                    more personal than
                                                    based on facts. The
                                                    recall's main
                                                    supporters are those
                                                    authors that have
                                                    seen their proposals
                                                    rejected, as well as
                                                    someone who has lost
                                                    elections to the
                                                    current Co-chairs.  </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">The
                                                    recall is a mere
                                                    list of accusations
                                                    of presumable and
                                                    never confirmed
                                                    violations
                                                    perpetrated by
                                                    Co-chairs since the
                                                    beginning of their
                                                    office. Without
                                                    evidence or a clear
                                                    and specific
                                                    reference to the
                                                    CPM, indictments are
                                                    inappropriate and
                                                    meaningless. </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Another
                                                    sign of the
                                                    resentment and
                                                    hostility comes not
                                                    only from the recall
                                                    but also from the
                                                    previous discussions
                                                    where it was clear
                                                    that the main goal
                                                    was to silence some
                                                    other members of the
                                                    community to make
                                                    sure their proposals
                                                    had no objections.
                                                    The anger is clear
                                                    from the way the
                                                    recall is written
                                                    and the manipulative
                                                    language used.
                                                    Again, the unfounded
                                                    accusations of
                                                    usurpation and
                                                    corruption are
                                                    unacceptable.
                                                    Authors accused
                                                    co-chairs when, in
                                                    reality, and
                                                    according to their
                                                    admission, they
                                                    failed to file a
                                                    properly formed
                                                    appeal. This is a
                                                    very controversial
                                                    behavior that
                                                    nothing has to do
                                                    with Afrinic and its
                                                    development. </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">To
                                                    me, these are all
                                                    relevant elements
                                                    the Board needs to
                                                    consider.</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Lucilla</p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:36pt">Il
                                                  giorno mer 18 nov 2020
                                                  alle ore 23:03
                                                  Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
                                                  ha scritto:</p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Dear
                                                    Community; Dear
                                                    All, <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    After an in-depth
                                                    review of this
                                                    current request to
                                                    recall the Afrinic
                                                    PDWG co-chairs, I
                                                    have come to the
                                                    conclusion that this
                                                    request is not only
                                                    biased, it is filled
                                                    with accusations,
                                                    personal reasons
                                                    especially with
                                                    regards to the event
                                                    of things of the
                                                    past month during
                                                    the last call,
                                                    attaining consensus
                                                    and the difficulty
                                                    in the ratification
                                                    and implementation
                                                    of the specific
                                                    policies due to its
                                                    conflict with other
                                                    policies of similar
                                                    nature.
                                                    Additionally, this
                                                    request has no
                                                    significant proof as
                                                    well as
                                                    justification. <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Initially, during
                                                    the policy decision
                                                    process and the last
                                                    call period, the
                                                    co-chairs performed
                                                    their duties as the
                                                    representatives of
                                                    the PDWG, gave every
                                                    member of the
                                                    working groups to
                                                    make their inputs
                                                    and express their
                                                    opinions whether in
                                                    support or against
                                                    the policy in
                                                    discussion at the
                                                    time. Likewise,
                                                    these opinions,
                                                    inputs and concerns
                                                    expressed by the WG
                                                    were been put into
                                                    consideration to
                                                    make the best
                                                    decision that works
                                                    best for the AFRINIC
                                                    RIR and focus on the
                                                    development and
                                                    evolution of the
                                                    internet in the
                                                    African region. <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Additionally, during
                                                    the AFRINIC Virtual
                                                    PPM, the idea that
                                                    the co-chairs made
                                                    no effort to make
                                                    sure that the WG
                                                    understood the Pros
                                                    and Cons of the
                                                    policy is outrightly
                                                    accusation with no
                                                    profound
                                                    justification or
                                                    proof. As I can
                                                    recall, during the
                                                    commencement of the
                                                    AFRINIC Virtual PPM,
                                                    the co-chairs not
                                                    only described the
                                                    each policy up for
                                                    the discussion but
                                                    they also pointed
                                                    out the pros and
                                                    cons of each policy
                                                    and as well, gave
                                                    the authors of the
                                                    policies the
                                                    opportunity to
                                                    elaborately speak on
                                                    the significance,
                                                    importance and value
                                                    of their policies,
                                                    and how it fits with
                                                    the grand goal of
                                                    the RIR which is the
                                                    development of the
                                                    internet in the
                                                    region, which the
                                                    participants/WG whom
                                                    participated in the
                                                    virtual PPM
                                                    expressed their
                                                    concerns, opinions
                                                    and objections.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Finally, in addition
                                                    to the fact that
                                                    this request is
                                                    compounded with
                                                    emotional
                                                    statements, lack of
                                                    concrete evidence
                                                    and biases; with the
                                                    person behind this
                                                    request as well as
                                                    the listed
                                                    signatories of this
                                                    request, i can
                                                    firmly adhere to the
                                                    ideology that this
                                                    request was
                                                    specifically made
                                                    out of emotional
                                                    sentiments and
                                                    self-indulgent
                                                    feeling of sadness
                                                    due to the
                                                    result/outcome and
                                                    the rightful
                                                    procedures taken of
                                                    the well-debated
                                                    ‘Inter-RIR Policy
                                                    Proposal’ which had
                                                    three conflicting
                                                    proposals. <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Best regards, <br>
                                                    Elvis</p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                                      <blockquote
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">On Nov 18, 2020, at 21:04, Wijdane Goubi <<a
href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">goubi.wijdane@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span> </span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-US">Dear community,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          have read the
                                                          recall
                                                          document and
                                                          have found it
                                                          based on very
                                                          subjective and
                                                          personal
                                                          reasons, which
                                                          makes sense in
                                                          a way because
                                                          of how the
                                                          last policy
                                                          that has
                                                          reached
                                                          consensus, was
                                                          in a constant
                                                          competition
                                                          with other
                                                          related
                                                          proposals.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">First
                                                          of all, as far
                                                          as I can
                                                          remember, the
                                                          co-chairs have
                                                          always asked
                                                          the community
                                                          to give decent
                                                          explanations
                                                          of what raises
                                                          their
                                                          concerns, but
                                                          instead, there
                                                          were constant
                                                          personal
                                                          attacks,
                                                          unrelated
                                                          subjects and
                                                          arguments and
                                                          no more
                                                          unaddressed
                                                          concerns.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Dragging
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          and accusing
                                                          them of some
                                                          serious
                                                          accusations
                                                          just because
                                                          one proposal
                                                          reached
                                                          consensus and
                                                          others did
                                                          not, proves
                                                          again that
                                                          this recall is
                                                          based on
                                                          personal
                                                          guesses and
                                                          speculations
                                                          with no <span
style="color:rgb(44,45,48)">discrete</span>, distinguished and notable
                                                          reasons.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Our
                                                          community
                                                          seems not to
                                                          be, sadly
                                                          enough, a
                                                          stress-free
                                                          working
                                                          environment.
                                                          The co-chairs
                                                          always have to
                                                          deal with
                                                          targets set by
                                                          the community,
                                                          and <strong><span
style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">these targets are often
                                                          hard to
                                                          achieve,</span></strong> which
                                                          creates a lot
                                                          of pressure on
                                                          them. </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          substantially
                                                          believe that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          are not taking
                                                          a side and are
                                                          perfectly
                                                          respecting one
                                                          of the most
                                                          important
                                                          values in the
                                                          CPM which is
                                                          fairness. They
                                                          care enough to
                                                          assess their
                                                          performance by
                                                          respecting the
                                                          CPM, Not
                                                          taking sides
                                                          but actually
                                                          discussing
                                                          each policy on
                                                          its own and
                                                          most
                                                          importantly
                                                          giving enough
                                                          time to solve
                                                          the
                                                          community’s
                                                          concerns.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:36pt;line-height:115%">
                                                          <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          strongly
                                                          believe that
                                                          what we do
                                                          need more is
                                                          to be
                                                          objective in
                                                          the way we
                                                          judge things,
                                                          and actually
                                                          stop having
                                                          unfair
                                                          opinions in
                                                          order to have
                                                          more clarity,
                                                          lack of bias,
                                                          and often
                                                          transparent
                                                          obviousness of
                                                          the truth.</span></p>
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                                                          <<a
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                                                          I will like to
                                                          believe that
                                                          the recall
                                                          request sent
                                                          to the board
                                                          is to permit a
                                                          form of
                                                          election for
                                                          the community
                                                          to either vote
                                                          to remove or
                                                          retain the
                                                          serving co
                                                          chairs. As the
                                                          board didn’t
                                                          vote/ appoint
                                                          the cochairs
                                                          therefore,
                                                          they have no
                                                          powers to
                                                          remove them. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          This recall
                                                          seems like an
                                                          attempt to
                                                          hijack the
                                                          community
                                                          through the
                                                          back door. I
                                                          can see that
                                                          the petition
                                                          was signed  by
                                                          <br>
                                                          1.  one person
                                                          who lost
                                                          elections in
                                                          Kampala to the
                                                          current
                                                          Co-chairs, <br>
                                                          2. authors of
                                                          competing
                                                          proposal with
                                                          our Inter RIR
                                                          policy,<br>
                                                          3. a member
                                                          whose right
                                                          was suspended
                                                          after he
                                                          violated  the
                                                          CoC. <br>
                                                          4. A member
                                                          who shamefully
                                                          made frivolous
                                                          allegation in
                                                          Uganda  using
                                                          a fake profile
                                                          among others.
                                                          <br>
                                                          This list of
                                                          petitioners
                                                          makes me
                                                          wonder if this
                                                          is a personal
                                                          vendetta. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The petition
                                                          to me borders
                                                          around the co
                                                          chairs using
                                                          initiative to
                                                          take
                                                          decisions. It
                                                          seems that
                                                          some party
                                                          “the power
                                                          brokers” are
                                                          aggrieved that
                                                          they are not
                                                          been consulted
                                                          before the co
                                                          chairs make
                                                          decisions <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Another funny
                                                          allegation is
                                                          that the co
                                                          chairs wasted
                                                          the time of
                                                          the community
                                                          by not passing
                                                          policies in
                                                          Angola - this
                                                          is a
                                                          misleading
                                                          argument as
                                                          discussing
                                                          policies to
                                                          improve them
                                                          is never a
                                                          waste of time.
                                                          Unfortunately
                                                          when they
                                                          decided to
                                                          make sure that
                                                          polices are
                                                          resolved
                                                          during the
                                                          last PPM. The
                                                          exact same
                                                          people
                                                          complained. <br>
                                                          I guess the
                                                          co-chairs can
                                                          never do right
                                                          in their
                                                          sight. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Finally, as
                                                          one of the
                                                          authors of the
                                                          competing
                                                          proposals in
                                                          Angola. I will
                                                          like to
                                                          clearly state
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs sent
                                                          all authors of
                                                          competing
                                                          policy
                                                          proposals to
                                                          try and
                                                          consolidate
                                                          the policies.
                                                          My co-author
                                                          and i had
                                                          several
                                                          meeting with
                                                          Jordi but the
                                                          authors of the
                                                          third proposal
                                                          totally
                                                          refused the
                                                          offer to join
                                                          heads to
                                                          produce one
                                                          proposal. This
                                                          now makes me
                                                          wonder how
                                                          they derived
                                                          the claim that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          tried to force
                                                          the
                                                          consolidation
                                                          when they
                                                          where not even
                                                          present. <br>
                                                          I will like to
                                                          clearly state
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs did
                                                          not interfere
                                                          in our
                                                          meetings.
                                                          Hence the call
                                                          on stage in
                                                          Angola to find
                                                          out our
                                                          resolve from
                                                          the said
                                                          meeting.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My input.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Kind regards.
                                                          <br>
                                                          Taiwo<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          > On 18 Nov
                                                          2020, at
                                                          07:31, Owen
                                                          DeLong <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > Speaking
                                                          strictly as
                                                          myself, not
                                                          representing
                                                          any
                                                          organization
                                                          or company:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > I
                                                          couldn’t agree
                                                          more. This
                                                          recall
                                                          petition is
                                                          entirely
                                                          specious and
                                                          without merit.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > As to the
                                                          supposed
                                                          reasons and
                                                          evidence
                                                          supporting the
                                                          removal of the
                                                          co-chairs, the
                                                          following
                                                          problems exist
                                                          with the PDF
                                                          provided to
                                                          the community
                                                          (this may not
                                                          be a
                                                          comprehensive
                                                          list, but it
                                                          certainly
                                                          covers enough
                                                          to indicate
                                                          that the PDF
                                                          is not a basis
                                                          for removal of
                                                          the
                                                          co-chairs):<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > A:   
                                                          There is
                                                          nothing
                                                          prohibiting
                                                          the
                                                          recruitment of
                                                          people to
                                                          participate in
                                                          AfriNIC, in
                                                          fact<br>
                                                          >    it is
                                                          encouraged.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I fail
                                                          to understand
                                                          what bearing
                                                          the
                                                          resignation of
                                                          the co-chair
                                                          and failure to
                                                          elect a<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          co-chair in
                                                          Dakar has on
                                                          the legitimacy
                                                          of the current
                                                          chairs.
                                                          Indeed, the
                                                          supposed<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          controversial
                                                          election
                                                          refers to
                                                          Kampala which
                                                          really only
                                                          applies to one
                                                          of the two<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          current
                                                          serving
                                                          co-chairs as
                                                          the other was
                                                          recently
                                                          re-elected in
                                                          the AfriNIC
                                                          virtual<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          meeting.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    While
                                                          I agree that
                                                          singing a
                                                          national
                                                          anthem of one
                                                          of the
                                                          co-chairs in
                                                          celebration of<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          election
                                                          result is a
                                                          bit uncouth, I
                                                          see no
                                                          relevance
                                                          here. It
                                                          occurred after
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          election was
                                                          over and
                                                          therefore
                                                          could not have
                                                          altered the
                                                          outcome of the
                                                          election.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          “protests”
                                                          were the sour
                                                          grapes of a
                                                          small (but
                                                          vocal)
                                                          minority of
                                                          the community.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    As to
                                                          “Finding 1”,
                                                          this is
                                                          outside of the
                                                          control of the
                                                          co-chairs that
                                                          were elected<br>
                                                          >    in
                                                          Kampala and
                                                          thus has no
                                                          bearing on the
                                                          discussion
                                                          here.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    As
                                                          such, I submit
                                                          that section A
                                                          is wholly
                                                          without merit
                                                          and is a
                                                          blatant
                                                          attempt to<br>
                                                          >    malign
                                                          the current
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          without
                                                          substance.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > B:   
                                                          Paragraph 1 is
                                                          nearly
                                                          impossible to
                                                          parse, but if
                                                          I understand
                                                          the authors’
                                                          intended<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          meaning, they
                                                          are claiming
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs were
                                                          somehow taken
                                                          to a hotel for<br>
                                                          >    some
                                                          form of
                                                          improper
                                                          ex-parte
                                                          communication.
                                                          Further, they
                                                          appear to be
                                                          claiming that<br>
                                                          >    they
                                                          asked the
                                                          board to
                                                          investigate
                                                          this
                                                          allegation,
                                                          but the board
                                                          didn’t do so
                                                          and<br>
                                                          >    they
                                                          therefor have
                                                          no evidence to
                                                          support this
                                                          claim.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    There
                                                          is so much
                                                          wrong with
                                                          this that it
                                                          is difficult
                                                          to dignify it
                                                          with a
                                                          response,<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          nonetheless, I
                                                          will do so
                                                          here. First,
                                                          merely taking
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          to a hotel
                                                          hardly<br>
                                                          >    seems
                                                          like a
                                                          nefarious act.
                                                          I, myself have
                                                          been known to
                                                          enjoy a meal
                                                          or a drink or
                                                          two<br>
                                                          >    with
                                                          co-chairs of
                                                          various RIRs.
                                                          Surely the
                                                          co-chairs are
                                                          not denied a
                                                          social life
                                                          merely<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          because of
                                                          their
                                                          position.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    There
                                                          is no evidence
                                                          that any sort
                                                          of undue
                                                          influence was
                                                          exerted
                                                          through any
                                                          ex-parte<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          communication
                                                          that may have
                                                          occurred
                                                          during this
                                                          alleged outing
                                                          as indicated
                                                          by the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          authors’ own
                                                          words “The
                                                          board did not
                                                          act as nothing
                                                          was reported
                                                          back.”<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Paragraph 2 I
                                                          reviewed the
                                                          video
                                                          referenced.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I did
                                                          not see
                                                          evidence of
                                                          bias. I did
                                                          not see
                                                          evidence of
                                                          incapability
                                                          or
                                                          incompetence.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I saw
                                                          a good faith
                                                          effort to be
                                                          courteous and
                                                          collegial with
                                                          the authors of
                                                          two competing<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          policies and
                                                          an effort to
                                                          see if the
                                                          authors were
                                                          willing to
                                                          work together
                                                          to consolidate<br>
                                                          >    their
                                                          policies. I
                                                          saw a lack of
                                                          cooperation by
                                                          the both
                                                          policy authors
                                                          which the
                                                          chairs<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          attempted to
                                                          navigate.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I will
                                                          admit that the
                                                          chairs may
                                                          have pushed a
                                                          little harder
                                                          than I think
                                                          was
                                                          appropriate<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          towards
                                                          encouraging
                                                          the authors to
                                                          work together,
                                                          but that’s a
                                                          difficult
                                                          judgment call<br>
                                                          >    in the
                                                          circumstance
                                                          and it’s quite
                                                          clear that the
                                                          chairs stopped
                                                          well short of
                                                          the point<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          overcoming any
                                                          intransigence
                                                          by the
                                                          authors. As
                                                          such, I see no
                                                          harm to the
                                                          PDP in their<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          conduct.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    While
                                                          I don’t agree
                                                          with all of
                                                          the decisions
                                                          made by the
                                                          co-chairs,
                                                          especially the
                                                          AS0<br>
                                                          >    ROA
                                                          proposal, as I
                                                          stated on the
                                                          list at the
                                                          time, I
                                                          recognize the
                                                          legitimacy of
                                                          their<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          decision and
                                                          the fact that
                                                          people of good
                                                          conscience can
                                                          view the same
                                                          set of facts
                                                          and/or<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          same issues
                                                          differently.
                                                          The default
                                                          position
                                                          should be no
                                                          consensus. A
                                                          co-chair that<br>
                                                          >    is not
                                                          confident that
                                                          there is
                                                          strong
                                                          community
                                                          consensus for
                                                          a proposal
                                                          should
                                                          absolutely<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          declare
                                                          no-consensus
                                                          and that is
                                                          exactly what
                                                          happened here.
                                                          No consensus
                                                          is not fatal
                                                          or<br>
                                                          >    even
                                                          really harmful
                                                          to a proposal.
                                                          It just means
                                                          that the
                                                          authors need
                                                          to continue
                                                          their<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          efforts to
                                                          build
                                                          consensus
                                                          among the
                                                          community
                                                          either through
                                                          further
                                                          discussion on
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          mailing list
                                                          or by
                                                          modifying the
                                                          proposal to
                                                          address the
                                                          objections. In
                                                          some cases, it
                                                          may<br>
                                                          >    be
                                                          that a
                                                          proposal
                                                          simply isn’t
                                                          something the
                                                          community
                                                          wants. I don’t
                                                          think that
                                                          applies<br>
                                                          >    to AS0
                                                          ROAs, but in
                                                          such a case,
                                                          the rejection
                                                          of the
                                                          proposal is a
                                                          perfectly
                                                          valid outcome.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I
                                                          believe the
                                                          failure of the
                                                          AfriNIC
                                                          community to
                                                          include a
                                                          mechanism for
                                                          the community
                                                          to<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          express that a
                                                          proposal
                                                          should not be
                                                          recycled or
                                                          further
                                                          discussed
                                                          because it is
                                                          simply<br>
                                                          >    not
                                                          wanted by the
                                                          community is
                                                          one of the
                                                          biggest
                                                          problems in
                                                          the AfriNIC
                                                          PDP. That
                                                          failure<br>
                                                          >    is the
                                                          main reason
                                                          that proposals
                                                          like Resource
                                                          Review plagued
                                                          the community
                                                          for so long.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          authors of
                                                          this so-called
                                                          recall
                                                          petition admit
                                                          that their
                                                          appeal of the
                                                          co-chairs<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          decision was
                                                          unsuccessful
                                                          because they
                                                          failed to file
                                                          a properly
                                                          formed appeal,
                                                          yet they<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          mention this
                                                          as if it is
                                                          somehow an
                                                          indictment of
                                                          the co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Time
                                                          spent
                                                          discussing
                                                          proposals is
                                                          not wasted,
                                                          even if the
                                                          proposals
                                                          aren’t
                                                          advanced.<br>
                                                          >    Such a
                                                          claim is
                                                          contrary to
                                                          the spirit and
                                                          intent of the
                                                          PDP and the
                                                          values of the
                                                          RIR<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          system. From
                                                          what I saw,
                                                          the major
                                                          obstacle to
                                                          the resolution
                                                          of objections
                                                          was more about<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          intransigence
                                                          of the authors
                                                          than anything
                                                          under the
                                                          control of the
                                                          co-chairs.<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Notably, the
                                                          group filing
                                                          this petition
                                                          contains many
                                                          of the most
                                                          intransigent
                                                          proposal<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          authors in the
                                                          region.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    While
                                                          I do not
                                                          believe it
                                                          appropriate
                                                          for co-chairs
                                                          to tell
                                                          someone to
                                                          “retire” or
                                                          “go away”,<br>
                                                          >    and as
                                                          such won’t
                                                          defend the
                                                          general tone
                                                          of either of
                                                          the messages
                                                          referenced, I
                                                          think they<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          stopped short
                                                          of such an
                                                          outright
                                                          suggestion as
                                                          the text in
                                                          the PDF would
                                                          indicate. I
                                                          also<br>
                                                          >    think
                                                          that the
                                                          repeated
                                                          attacks on the
                                                          co-chairs by a
                                                          vocal minority
                                                          including
                                                          (perhaps even<br>
                                                          >    led
                                                          by) the
                                                          so-called
                                                          “senior
                                                          members of the
                                                          community” in
                                                          question
                                                          leading up to
                                                          it makes the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          somewhat
                                                          visceral
                                                          response
                                                          understandable,
                                                          though still
                                                          not ideal.
                                                          Taking the
                                                          messages out
                                                          of<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          context is
                                                          disingenuous
                                                          at best.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Finding 2 is
                                                          utterly
                                                          specious. The
                                                          co-chairs are
                                                          gaining
                                                          experience
                                                          with the PDP
                                                          and WG<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          procedures and
                                                          I see no
                                                          evidence that
                                                          they’ve done
                                                          any worse
                                                          running the WG
                                                          than many of<br>
                                                          >    their
                                                          far less
                                                          controversial
                                                          predecessors.
                                                          If their
                                                          supposed “lack
                                                          of neutrality”
                                                          rises<br>
                                                          >    only
                                                          to the level
                                                          of “suspicion”
                                                          and you cannot
                                                          present actual
                                                          evidence or
                                                          even a solid<br>
                                                          >    claim
                                                          that it exists
                                                          in fact, then
                                                          that is hardly
                                                          a basis for
                                                          removal.
                                                          You’ve shown<br>
                                                          >    no
                                                          evidence that
                                                          bias exists
                                                          and therefor
                                                          no basis for
                                                          your claim
                                                          that said bias
                                                          impacted<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          meeting. I
                                                          fail to see
                                                          how the
                                                          concerns of
                                                          some or the
                                                          fears of
                                                          others are
                                                          relevant<br>
                                                          >    here.
                                                          We should be
                                                          seeking facts
                                                          and evidence
                                                          regarding any
                                                          suspected
                                                          wrongdoing,
                                                          not<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          concerns and
                                                          fears.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > C:    Was
                                                          there more
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          could have
                                                          done in the
                                                          time before
                                                          AfriNIC-32?
                                                          Almost<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          certainly yes.
                                                          OTOH, nearly
                                                          everyone has
                                                          dropped some
                                                          balls in one
                                                          way or another
                                                          during<br>
                                                          >    that
                                                          time. The
                                                          world was on
                                                          tilt most of
                                                          that time
                                                          period as a
                                                          result of a
                                                          virus which<br>
                                                          >    is
                                                          still running
                                                          rampant in
                                                          many parts of
                                                          the world.
                                                          Many of us
                                                          have lost
                                                          friends and/or<br>
                                                          >    loved
                                                          ones and
                                                          almost all of
                                                          us at least
                                                          know someone
                                                          who has lost a
                                                          friend or a
                                                          loved one.<br>
                                                          >    There
                                                          is nobody who
                                                          can say they
                                                          remain
                                                          untouched by
                                                          this current
                                                          circumstance
                                                          and to<br>
                                                          >    expect
                                                          perfect
                                                          execution of
                                                          even the most
                                                          experienced
                                                          and capable of
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          would be<br>
                                                          >    an
                                                          unreasonable
                                                          request under
                                                          the
                                                          circumstances.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          PDF authors
                                                          present no
                                                          evidence to
                                                          support their
                                                          claim that the
                                                          co-chairs had
                                                          selected<br>
                                                          >    a
                                                          particular
                                                          proposal to
                                                          push forward
                                                          and their
                                                          supposed
                                                          reference to
                                                          some form of
                                                          demonstration<br>
                                                          >    at
                                                          AfriNIC-31 is
                                                          without
                                                          foundation or
                                                          evidence.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Their
                                                          further claim
                                                          (1) that the
                                                          co-chairs did
                                                          nothing is
                                                          also presented
                                                          without
                                                          evidence.<br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          email cited is
                                                          a message from
                                                          Eddy
                                                          describing the
                                                          plan of
                                                          record. It
                                                          provides no
                                                          information<br>
                                                          >    about
                                                          any action or
                                                          inaction in
                                                          the preceding
                                                          process by the
                                                          co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (2) that staff
                                                          took the lead
                                                          ignores any
                                                          interactions
                                                          which may have
                                                          occurred<br>
                                                          >    off
                                                          list between
                                                          the co-chairs,
                                                          staff, and/or
                                                          the board
                                                          regarding
                                                          coordination
                                                          and<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          planning for
                                                          the
                                                          possibility of
                                                          a virtual
                                                          AfriNIC
                                                          meeting
                                                          possibly
                                                          including a
                                                          PDWG<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          meeting. The
                                                          larger
                                                          questions of
                                                          the AfriNIC
                                                          meeting were
                                                          out of scope
                                                          for the
                                                          co-chairs<br>
                                                          >    and
                                                          expecting them
                                                          to solve the
                                                          PDWG meeting
                                                          questions
                                                          prior to
                                                          obtaining
                                                          answers from<br>
                                                          >    staff
                                                          regarding the
                                                          questions
                                                          around the
                                                          larger meeting
                                                          (which are the
                                                          questions
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    refer
                                                          to when
                                                          claiming staff
                                                          took the lead)
                                                          is absurd.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Regarding
                                                          claim (3), the
                                                          incumbent
                                                          co-chair is
                                                          not
                                                          responsible
                                                          for the
                                                          behavior of
                                                          other<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          candidates and
                                                          any such
                                                          expectation
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chair would
                                                          perform
                                                          his/her duties
                                                          in a<br>
                                                          >    manner
                                                          more to the
                                                          liking of the
                                                          authors or
                                                          candidates in
                                                          question would
                                                          be
                                                          inappropriate<br>
                                                          >    in the
                                                          extreme. So
                                                          far, I have
                                                          seen little
                                                          evidence of
                                                          poor or
                                                          improper
                                                          performance of<br>
                                                          >    their
                                                          duties by the
                                                          co-chairs in
                                                          question.
                                                          Certainly
                                                          nothing that
                                                          rises to the
                                                          level of<br>
                                                          >    any
                                                          legitimacy for
                                                          an attempt to
                                                          remove them
                                                          from office.
                                                          Neither of the
                                                          emails cited<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          indicates any
                                                          sort of
                                                          expected
                                                          change in
                                                          behavior by
                                                          the co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (4) that the
                                                          decisions made
                                                          by the
                                                          co-chairs at
                                                          AfriNIC-32
                                                          were “all
                                                          rejected and<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          appealed” is
                                                          interesting to
                                                          note that all
                                                          of those
                                                          appeals were
                                                          submitted by a
                                                          single<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          proposal
                                                          author.
                                                          Further, since
                                                          the Appeals
                                                          committee has
                                                          given
                                                          themselves
                                                          until<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          February 18,
                                                          2021 to
                                                          conclude and
                                                          publish the
                                                          last appeal
                                                          result and has
                                                          not provided<br>
                                                          >    any
                                                          conclusions as
                                                          yet (In fact,
                                                          one of the
                                                          dates
                                                          suggested for
                                                          publication
                                                          was<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          December 22,
                                                          2021, but I
                                                          suspect that’s
                                                          a typo for
                                                          December 22,
                                                          2020), it’s
                                                          really<br>
                                                          >    hard
                                                          to know
                                                          whether these
                                                          appeals are
                                                          simply a
                                                          concerted
                                                          effort by a
                                                          vocal minority<br>
                                                          >    to
                                                          discredit the
                                                          co-chairs or
                                                          whether they
                                                          have actual
                                                          merit. As
                                                          such, using
                                                          this fact<br>
                                                          >    as a
                                                          basis for
                                                          removal of the
                                                          co-chairs is
                                                          premature at
                                                          best and
                                                          potentially
                                                          manipulative<br>
                                                          >    and
                                                          dishonest at
                                                          worst.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (5) is not
                                                          supported by
                                                          the email
                                                          referenced (or
                                                          authors need
                                                          to be more
                                                          specific<br>
                                                          >    about
                                                          where in the
                                                          email they see
                                                          evidence
                                                          supporting
                                                          their claim as
                                                          I do not see
                                                          it<br>
                                                          >    in
                                                          reviewing that
                                                          email). The
                                                          video shows a
                                                          co-chair
                                                          struggling a
                                                          bit with
                                                          language, but<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          overall
                                                          delivering a
                                                          concise and
                                                          well reasoned
                                                          description of
                                                          the situation
                                                          with each<br>
                                                          >    policy
                                                          and reasonable
                                                          determinations
                                                          of consensus
                                                          or not based
                                                          on the record
                                                          available.<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Disagreeing
                                                          with the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          judgment of
                                                          consensus
                                                          alone is not
                                                          justification
                                                          for a<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          recall. Each
                                                          issue that I
                                                          heard the
                                                          co-chair
                                                          mentioned was
                                                          an issue that
                                                          had been
                                                          brought<br>
                                                          >    up in
                                                          the discussion
                                                          either in
                                                          person or on
                                                          the mailing
                                                          list. Poor
                                                          memory on the
                                                          part of<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          PDF authors
                                                          should not be
                                                          grounds for
                                                          removal of a
                                                          co-chair.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (6) mostly
                                                          reiterates
                                                          claim (4) and
                                                          offers nothing
                                                          novel or
                                                          useful to the
                                                          record.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (7) does not
                                                          provide
                                                          sufficient
                                                          information
                                                          and should be
                                                          clarified by
                                                          the PDF
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    prior
                                                          to being
                                                          evaluated for
                                                          merit (or lack
                                                          there of).<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (8) is not
                                                          accurate. The
                                                          amendments
                                                          proposed by
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          had been
                                                          previously<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          requested by
                                                          multiple
                                                          members of the
                                                          community and
                                                          directly
                                                          addressed
                                                          objections
                                                          raised<br>
                                                          >    by the
                                                          community. The
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          asked the
                                                          proposal
                                                          authors if
                                                          they were
                                                          amenable to
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          amendments
                                                          requested in
                                                          order to
                                                          achieve
                                                          consensus and
                                                          authors
                                                          agreed. There
                                                          is little<br>
                                                          >    actual
                                                          and no
                                                          effective
                                                          difference
                                                          between this
                                                          and the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          determining<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          non-consensus
                                                          based on the
                                                          objections
                                                          rectified by
                                                          the amendments
                                                          followed by
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    making
                                                          the amendments
                                                          in question,
                                                          followed by a
                                                          determination
                                                          of consensus
                                                          (which is<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          entirely
                                                          within the
                                                          PDP). It is
                                                          interesting
                                                          that the
                                                          authors of
                                                          this
                                                          accusatory PDF<br>
                                                          >    argue
                                                          on one hand
                                                          that co-chairs
                                                          wasted time by
                                                          not moving
                                                          things forward
                                                          and then here<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          complain that
                                                          authors made
                                                          efficient use
                                                          of time by
                                                          getting author
                                                          consent for
                                                          amendments<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          requested by
                                                          the community
                                                          and declaring
                                                          consensus on
                                                          the proposal
                                                          with those
                                                          amendments.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (9) This
                                                          appears to be
                                                          a generally
                                                          factual claim,
                                                          but I’m not
                                                          sure how it is
                                                          relevant<br>
                                                          >    as a
                                                          claim of
                                                          malfeasance or
                                                          incompetence
                                                          on the part of
                                                          the co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (10) lacks
                                                          foundation or
                                                          evidence. I’m
                                                          not sure how
                                                          "objections
                                                          forcing the
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    to
                                                          make a lot of
                                                          substantial
                                                          changes” is in
                                                          violation of
                                                          the PDP… It’s
                                                          my belief that
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >    PDP is
                                                          intended to
                                                          allow the
                                                          community to
                                                          insist upon
                                                          needed changes
                                                          in a proposal
                                                          throughout<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          process.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (11) also
                                                          lacks
                                                          foundation or
                                                          evidence. If
                                                          there is a
                                                          basis to a
                                                          claim that the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          so-called
                                                          editorial
                                                          changes were
                                                          not, in fact,
                                                          editorial in
                                                          nature, then
                                                          that basis<br>
                                                          >    should
                                                          be explained
                                                          in the
                                                          document and
                                                          supporting
                                                          evidence
                                                          should be
                                                          provided. The<br>
                                                          >    mere
                                                          filing of an
                                                          appeal (or
                                                          even two
                                                          appeals) is
                                                          proof of
                                                          nothing other
                                                          than the<br>
                                                          >    fact
                                                          that someone
                                                          didn’t like
                                                          the outcome.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (12) It’s
                                                          unclear what
                                                          “submission”
                                                          to whom is
                                                          expected in
                                                          Claim (12),
                                                          nor do I see<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          anything in
                                                          the PDP that
                                                          requires the
                                                          co-chairs to
                                                          await the
                                                          decision of
                                                          the appeal<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          committee
                                                          prior to
                                                          defending
                                                          their
                                                          decisions to
                                                          the community.
                                                          One one hand,
                                                          PDF authors<br>
                                                          >    are
                                                          claiming that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          ignore
                                                          community
                                                          input and on
                                                          the other they
                                                          are now<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          complaining
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          decided to
                                                          solicit
                                                          additional
                                                          community
                                                          feedback given<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          apparent
                                                          controversy
                                                          over their
                                                          decision. It’s
                                                          unclear to me
                                                          which
                                                          provisions of<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          PDP this is
                                                          alleged to
                                                          violate and
                                                          authors make
                                                          no citations
                                                          of the
                                                          relevant PDP<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          sections to
                                                          which they
                                                          vaguely refer
                                                          in the phrase
                                                          “more
                                                          violations of
                                                          the PDP”.<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Further,
                                                          co-chairs are
                                                          elected to
                                                          implement and
                                                          manage the
                                                          PDP. They are
                                                          not
                                                          responsible<br>
                                                          >    for
                                                          defending the
                                                          PDP (nor do I
                                                          believe that
                                                          the PDP is
                                                          under attack
                                                          except
                                                          possibly by<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          proposal to
                                                          modify it
                                                          which did not
                                                          achieve
                                                          consensus). In
                                                          fact,
                                                          defending the<br>
                                                          >    PDP
                                                          against that
                                                          proposal would
                                                          be a violation
                                                          of the PDP in
                                                          my opinion, so
                                                          once again,<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          authors of the
                                                          PDF have
                                                          erred.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Because
                                                          virtually the
                                                          entire basis
                                                          for Finding 3
                                                          is refuted
                                                          above, it is
                                                          also my
                                                          considered<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          opinion that
                                                          Finding 3 is
                                                          entirely
                                                          specious and
                                                          without merit.
                                                          There is no
                                                          evidence
                                                          presented<br>
                                                          >    that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          violated the
                                                          PDP, nor is
                                                          there any
                                                          indication
                                                          that they made
                                                          “unilateral”<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          decisions
                                                          inconsistent
                                                          with the
                                                          record of
                                                          community
                                                          input. They
                                                          have not
                                                          demonstrated a
                                                          lack<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          fairness. The
                                                          question of
                                                          neutrality is
                                                          subjective at
                                                          best and
                                                          there’s no
                                                          clear evidence<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          bias
                                                          presented. The
                                                          policy
                                                          preferences
                                                          expressed by
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          are consistent
                                                          with the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          community
                                                          feedback
                                                          received in
                                                          the record
                                                          overall and do
                                                          not provide
                                                          any clear
                                                          indication<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          bias. Yes,
                                                          they are
                                                          contrary to
                                                          the opinions
                                                          of the PDF
                                                          authors, but
                                                          so is much of
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          feedback
                                                          received from
                                                          the community
                                                          on a variety
                                                          of issues.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >
                                                          Conclusion:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          vast majority
                                                          of the claims
                                                          made in this
                                                          document are
                                                          entirely
                                                          specious and
                                                          without<br>
                                                          >    merit.
                                                          I hope that
                                                          the board will
                                                          dismiss this
                                                          action as the
                                                          frivolous and
                                                          baseless<br>
                                                          >    attack
                                                          on the PDP
                                                          that it
                                                          represents and
                                                          I hope that we
                                                          can all move
                                                          forward on a
                                                          more<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          collegial
                                                          basis. I hope
                                                          that the PDF
                                                          authors will
                                                          stop using
                                                          Donald Trump
                                                          as a role
                                                          model<br>
                                                          >    and
                                                          recognize that
                                                          bullying is
                                                          ultimately a
                                                          losing
                                                          strategy.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > Owen<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    <br>
                                                          >> On
                                                          Nov 17, 2020,
                                                          at 1:54 PM,
                                                          Ekaterina
                                                          Kalugina <<a
href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >> <br>
                                                          >> Dear
                                                          community,<br>
                                                          >> <br>
                                                          >> It is
                                                          my firm belief
                                                          that the
                                                          current
                                                          request to
                                                          recall the
                                                          co-chairs is
                                                          not only
                                                          incredibly
                                                          unfounded,
                                                          biased and
                                                          generally done
                                                          in bad faith
                                                          but is, in
                                                          fact, in
                                                          violation of
                                                          some of the
                                                          basic values
                                                          AFRINIC stands
                                                          for.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > [snip]<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > <br>
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