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<p>Hello Wijdane,</p>
<p>I am not for or against the recall, but the endless suggestions
at variance to the CPM will not help.</p>
<p>The CPM is very clear as to the process for handling this issue,
and we should stop throwing any argument under the guise of
disagreement. (Bullets simply for easy reading)<br>
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<p><b>3.5 Conflict Resolution</b><b><br>
</b><b> - Anyone may request the recall of a Working Group Chair
at any time, </b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p><b> - upon written request with justification to the AFRINIC
Board of Directors. </b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p><b> - The request must be supported by at least five (5) other
persons from the Working Group. </b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p><b> - The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
committee, </b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p><b> - excluding the persons requesting the recall and the Working
Group Chairs. </b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p><b> - The recall committee shall investigate the circumstances of
the justification for the recall and determine the outcome.</b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p>For now, let us follow the laid down process.<br>
</p>
<p>If this is not acceptable to you, then initiate a modification of
the policy, to allow the recall or re-affirmation of Chairs via
some form of balloting. <br>
</p>
<p>Allow the Board act in accordance with the CPM by appointing a
recall committee.<br>
</p>
<p>Please leave the recall committee to determine fairness, based on
the submitted justification.</p>
<p>We have always learnt from all actions. We will learn from the
process, and we will do it better next time.<br>
</p>
<p>Sunday.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/22/20 12:00 PM, Wijdane Goubi
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<div>Dear community,</div>
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As you can all notice, there is a huge disagreement going on
concerning the request to recall the co-chairs, which many
have pointed out to be biased and unjust. Thus, I believe it
would only be fair to organize a vote about whether this
request shall proceed on not. We have always proved as a
community to be efficient in solving issues through the most
democratic and fair ways and I believe this a crucial moment
where we need to do so as well.<br>
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Jeopardizing the reputation and position of two individuals
shouldn’t be as easy as it is, otherwise, it will encourage
individuals in the future to abuse the request of recall
whenever there is a personal motive. Such a serious decision
of recalling the chairs should not lay at the hand of six
people out of a big community whose voice matters as equally.
I believe this will not only be fair to the co-chairs but also
to both parties who seem to argue or disagree with the
request.<br>
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<div>Regards</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 20 nov. 2020 à 15:10,
Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a
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<p>I am glad to see the same and very repeating only
argument against this Recall Request is that some (not
all) of the authors are also authors of 'competing
proposals' (as if the PDWG was a battle of proposals) and
trying to make up as if this was something forbidden.<br>
</p>
<p>Everything that was done in both the Appeal and the
Recall Request is done strictly in the line with what the
CPM allows so there is nothing else others that are
moaning about can do other than wait for the output.<br>
</p>
<p>Please leave with the Board to do its job. It's entirely
up to them to consider if the justifications given make
sense or not.<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div>On 20/11/2020 10:58, Ekaterina Kalugina wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear community,</div>
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<div dir="auto">As Andrew pointed out: "Anyone may
request the recall of a Working Group Chair at any
time, upon written request with justification to the
AFRINIC Board of Directors." </div>
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<div dir="auto">The problem here is that there are no
valid justifications to support the present recall
request. As many of the members including myself
already pointed out, this recall request is
unjustified as it is not based on objective facts.
Rather, this request is largely unfounded and
supported by biased arguments and bitter emotional
accusations. No tangible evidence has been presented
to support the case. There is also a serious conflict
of interest as some of the signatories happen to be
authors of a competing transfer proposal, while others
were denied the position of a chair in the previous
elections. </div>
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<div dir="auto">This request is also generally done in
bad faith. It's text refers to a number of appeals to
justify its legitimacy. Yet, these appeals were all
launched by the very same people who signed this
recall request. In my view, this is an unfair move
that seeks to bend the PDP to the agendas of a few.
Such behavior undermines the legitimacy of the whole
process and should not be tolerated. Thus, I contend
that this recall request lacks enough justifications
to be considered legitimate.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Ekaterina </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 20 Nov 2020,
11:23 lucilla fornaro <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear Community,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Many pointed out the
Board now needs to appoint an impartial recall
committee, and that’s what I hope.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">From my perspective,
the recall lacks objective, accurate, and
impartial evidence, and it seems to be the
consequence of resentment and disappointment.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">"Conclusions"
reports a clear example of what I am talking
about:</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">“The co-chairs
continue to ignore the numerous calls to them to
take the proposal back for further
discussions." </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">This is exactly the
opposite of what happened! Co-chairs after a
member’s request extended the last call to allow
further discussions. This is a fact, and I
cannot understand how it is possible to
misrepresent it. To me, this is bad faith, and I
see no reason for this recall to exist. It is
just the last of several attempts to intimidate
the community and co-chairs.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Lucilla </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 19
nov 2020 alle ore 22:48 Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <<a
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<div class="gmail_default">At least this is an
objective way forward for me, and yes of
course <i><font color="#0b5394">with the
exclusion of the co-chairs and
complainants</font></i> as earlier
clarified. The main hassle now is getting
neutral parties that will serve in the Recall
Committee devoid of any bias and
intimidation to finally bring this issue to a
close.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Up
until now, I’ve stayed pretty silent
on this, because quite frankly – I
have no issues with the chairs and if
they stay or go makes very little
difference in my life.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That
being said – the one thing I do care
about is the process.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So
– let’s look at that.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section
3.5 of the consolidated policy manual
states:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Symbol">·</span>
Anyone may request the recall of a
Working Group Chair at any time, upon
written request with justification to
the AFRINIC Board of Directors. The
request must be supported by at least
five (5) other persons from the Working
Group. The AFRINIC Board of Directors
shall appoint a recall committee,
excluding the persons requesting the
recall and the Working Group Chairs. The
recall committee shall investigate the
circumstances of the justification for
the recall and determine the outcome.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So
– it is at the discretion of those who
requested the recall to do so – that
much is clear – if we don’t like that
– change the PDP. The board however,
is now obligated under the PDP to
appoint a recall committee, as per the
above point, that includes the working
group chairs and the complainants, and
that committee then reviews,
deliberates and delivers a verdict.
My reading of that is that the
committee appointed shall be appointed
from the community – though that may
well be a subjective reading of the
text. I would hope that the board
would endeavor to appoint individuals
entirely divorced from this mess on
the list who can be objective and
impartial in their review of the
available evidence and then render a
verdict based on hard fact and
evidence. But whichever way this
happens – we have a policy process –
and while we may or may not like the
outcomes of the policy process – the
process is sacrosanct and must be
observed and followed, and if we don’t
like what the process says – the PDP
process allows for us, as members of
the PDP, to change that process
through the rough consensus process.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> <a
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">dc@darwincosta.com</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 November
2020 11:04<br>
<b>To:</b> Gaby Giner <<a
href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>;
rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
Policy <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] REQUEST
TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG
CO-CHAIRS</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="FR">Everyone,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="FR"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> Most
of the arguments advanced are
irrelevant and completely out
of the context of the nature
of the demand to recall the
co-chairs. Therefore, it would
make the whole request null
and invalid.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
A:</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> This
part does not have any
violations or dishonest acts
done by any of the co-chairs.
They have had no influence
whatsoever on neither the
meeting participants nor their
reaction (which I don't see
the relevance here anyway).
This looks like a normal
election process to me, not
only in this particular field
but for everything and
everywhere else in the world.
Stating otherwise is either
naïve or just clueless. Also,
protests from a losing party
look like a normal reaction to
me in an election, some more
sore than others as evidenced
by recent presidential
elections in the US, but I
digress. All of the points
made in this part are wholly
immaterial and should be
dismissed.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
B :</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> 1.)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> I
noticed you keep basing your
arguments on "it was
observed", "Observed by a
participant" and "Following
the suspicions". Serious
accusations should be based on
actual proof and precise
arguments: not guesses,
suspicions, and some anonymous
witnesses and vague
insinuations. Anyone can come
up with scenarios if they are
unfounded and unproven,
especially if they are about
events that have occurred a
very long time ago but were
not reported at the exact
time. What makes it the best
moment now? And why didn't you
ask to recall the co-chairs
back then if you had all the
necessary proof? This makes
absolutely no sense because if
your intentions are as honest
as you claim they are, this
should have been handled a
while ago and not right after
the same community reelected
one of the same co-chairs.</p>
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Nevertheless, this is a
blatant interference in two
people's personal life. I hope
this behavior won't start
encouraging individuals to
begin following co-chairs to
hotels and anywhere else
outside the PPM conference
room. We are talking about two
people who were brave enough
to volunteer to do a job that
starts and ends inside the PPM
room and in the mailing list.
Whatever else they do in their
private time shouldn't be of
anyone's concern and has
nothing to do with their work
integrity.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> 2.)</p>
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There isn't anything wrong
with the video, and nothing
you have stated appears to
exist. I think you are the one
that interpreted the meeting
in a biased way. The co-chairs
simply gave recommendations
that they think favor the
community and are related to
managing the PDP, which is
totally in their scope. As
long as it's not enforced,
then no harm is intended nor
done. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> 3.)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> The
rpd list in an open space
where individuals are free to
respond, converse, and argue.
As long as no offense or
attacks are intended, the
freedom to defend oneself
should not be censored just
because "seniors" as you call
it, are involved. Particularly
when we all know that there
has been a serious history of
bullying and unfounded
accusations on the list. I'm
starting to feel weary of this
back-and-forth on this matter,
but nevertheless it is still
worth reiterating—the RPD list
is a fair space where all
individuals are equal, and
everyone's input is welcome.
So your personal feelings
should not interfere in your
judgment on the work and
integrity of the co-chairs,
nor in your request to recall
them.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
C :</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> As
far as I know, the community
handled both the online
meeting and election process
matters. It is not the
co-chair's duty to handle this
sort of thing but rather the
community members by vote.
They only had to manage the
discussions and take into
consideration the opinions,
which they correctly did.
Therefore, section (1) is
utterly wrong.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> For
the rest, let me summarize it
like this :</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> All
of this seems very suspicious
and makes me think that there
is some personal motive or
agenda behind this request. If
the community was discontented
with the current co-chairs, it
could have easily prevented
Abdul Kareem to be reelected
again, which was not the case.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> <b><i>"The
co-chairs continue to
ignore the numerous calls
to them to take the
proposal back for further
discussions."</i></b> This
is absolutely not true, and it
can easily be proven if you
just take the time to go back
to the previous thread about
the policy, extending its last
call, and calling for
additional comments. The
co-chairs have gone back and
forth to satisfy the
community's concerns and have
extended the policy's
discussion time. So did the
authors who have managed to
resolve every issue and
improve the policy, but lately
no one seemed to have any new
or further objections.
Logically this would convince
the co-chairs to finally give
the go signal for the proposal
because it can't be stuck
forever with the same people
who were raising concerns
being suddenly quiet. There is
no logic at all, and the
procedure was followed
according to protocol.
Therefore, the argument is not
valid.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">
Saying that the co-chairs
violated the PDP by suggesting
amendments to proposals is no
violation in itself because
the CPM never mentioned
explicitly that they are not
allowed to do so. The
co-chairs again are within
their scope.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> The
WG is managed by the CPM,
which is very clear about the
PDP. You have mentioned
several times arguments about
violations of the PDP etcetera
without stating what and where
it contradicts what the CPM
says. Unless you do that, I
don't see the validity of all
the related arguments. You
can't judge what a violation
is based on whether it aligns
with your personal agenda or
not. There are rules and
instructions that have been
created to be followed and not
subjectively interpreted.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">
Finally, I totally understand
your discontentment with the
whole situation since the
transfer policies were in a
tough competition and since
you are the authors of the
other proposal. You can be
unsatisfied for as long as you
can, but let me say that it is
no valid excuse or
justification to make an
unfounded request to recall
the co-chairs whose sole job
is to manage the PDP. Not only
the arguments are invalid and
biased, but there is no actual
proof to support the claims
and accusations, so I urge the
board to look into this
urgently and dismiss it.
Otherwise, the PDP and the
AFRINIC community will no
longer be the same, which will
be a shame.</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Just
to comment here in between. I don’t
think the main cause here is
“discontentment” but rather how this
proposal was conducted including last
minute changes.</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>IMHO
and someone has mentioned here on this
tread “collaborative work between all
the authors” - well I would definitely
agree that this is something that
makes a community a better place. </span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
only concern with this proposal and
all the changes made it on the last
call is that the changes were made at
wrong stage of the process. </span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Last
but not least, remember the discussion
between Cohen and Ronald here couple
of weeks ago? Well same discussion is
running again on the NANOG
mailinglist. And the main concern here
is: </span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72pt">
<span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><span>Where we
conservative enough when all those
resources were sold? </span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72pt">
<span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><span>Are we
even seeing this resources back
anytime soon? Maybe not.... maybe
never...</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72pt">
<span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><span>Not to
mention how many African startups or
unborn ISP(s) will have to fight for
v4 addresses when those are not
anymore available at Afrinic... We all
know where they will have to go
to......</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>I
could go even further but I will stop
here by saying - What happened in the
past can happen again and only time
will tell how good or bad this
proposal is FOR US. </span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>As
community we need to protect AFRINIC
interests instead of individuals
benefits.... </span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
2cts.</span></p>
<p
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<blockquote
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Thanks,
Gaby</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Darwin-.</p>
</div>
<div>
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<br>
</p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">On
Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:51
AM lucilla fornaro <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Dear
Community,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">I
believe that the
multiple accusations
towards Co-Chairs,
and of course, the
current request to
recall is
suspicious, unfair,
and in bad faith. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">The
recall seems to be a
sort of intimidatory
attempt of revenge
for the mere fact
that their proposals
did not reach
consensus.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">I
was not a member of
Afrinic when
Co-chairs were
elected, but based
on what is written
on the recall, I
cannot understand
how Co-chairs are to
be considered
responsible for
previous Co-chairs'
resignation. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">According
to paragraph 1, I
understand authors’
are suggesting an
ex-parte
communication, once
again without
documentation. The
point is, every
single human
behavior might be
misunderstood, that
is why without
shreds of evidence,
these kinds of
accusations should
not even be
mentioned. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">I
feel the recall is
more personal than
based on facts. The
recall's main
supporters are those
authors that have
seen their proposals
rejected, as well as
someone who has lost
elections to the
current Co-chairs. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">The
recall is a mere
list of accusations
of presumable and
never confirmed
violations
perpetrated by
Co-chairs since the
beginning of their
office. Without
evidence or a clear
and specific
reference to the
CPM, indictments are
inappropriate and
meaningless. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Another
sign of the
resentment and
hostility comes not
only from the recall
but also from the
previous discussions
where it was clear
that the main goal
was to silence some
other members of the
community to make
sure their proposals
had no objections.
The anger is clear
from the way the
recall is written
and the manipulative
language used.
Again, the unfounded
accusations of
usurpation and
corruption are
unacceptable.
Authors accused
co-chairs when, in
reality, and
according to their
admission, they
failed to file a
properly formed
appeal. This is a
very controversial
behavior that
nothing has to do
with Afrinic and its
development. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">To
me, these are all
relevant elements
the Board needs to
consider.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Lucilla</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Il
giorno mer 18 nov 2020
alle ore 23:03
Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Dear
Community; Dear
All, <br>
<br>
After an in-depth
review of this
current request to
recall the Afrinic
PDWG co-chairs, I
have come to the
conclusion that this
request is not only
biased, it is filled
with accusations,
personal reasons
especially with
regards to the event
of things of the
past month during
the last call,
attaining consensus
and the difficulty
in the ratification
and implementation
of the specific
policies due to its
conflict with other
policies of similar
nature.
Additionally, this
request has no
significant proof as
well as
justification. <br>
<br>
Initially, during
the policy decision
process and the last
call period, the
co-chairs performed
their duties as the
representatives of
the PDWG, gave every
member of the
working groups to
make their inputs
and express their
opinions whether in
support or against
the policy in
discussion at the
time. Likewise,
these opinions,
inputs and concerns
expressed by the WG
were been put into
consideration to
make the best
decision that works
best for the AFRINIC
RIR and focus on the
development and
evolution of the
internet in the
African region. <br>
<br>
Additionally, during
the AFRINIC Virtual
PPM, the idea that
the co-chairs made
no effort to make
sure that the WG
understood the Pros
and Cons of the
policy is outrightly
accusation with no
profound
justification or
proof. As I can
recall, during the
commencement of the
AFRINIC Virtual PPM,
the co-chairs not
only described the
each policy up for
the discussion but
they also pointed
out the pros and
cons of each policy
and as well, gave
the authors of the
policies the
opportunity to
elaborately speak on
the significance,
importance and value
of their policies,
and how it fits with
the grand goal of
the RIR which is the
development of the
internet in the
region, which the
participants/WG whom
participated in the
virtual PPM
expressed their
concerns, opinions
and objections.<br>
<br>
Finally, in addition
to the fact that
this request is
compounded with
emotional
statements, lack of
concrete evidence
and biases; with the
person behind this
request as well as
the listed
signatories of this
request, i can
firmly adhere to the
ideology that this
request was
specifically made
out of emotional
sentiments and
self-indulgent
feeling of sadness
due to the
result/outcome and
the rightful
procedures taken of
the well-debated
‘Inter-RIR Policy
Proposal’ which had
three conflicting
proposals. <br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Elvis</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<div>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">On Nov 18, 2020, at 21:04, Wijdane Goubi <<a
href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">goubi.wijdane@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-US">Dear community,</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
lang="EN-US">I
have read the
recall
document and
have found it
based on very
subjective and
personal
reasons, which
makes sense in
a way because
of how the
last policy
that has
reached
consensus, was
in a constant
competition
with other
related
proposals.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
lang="EN-US">First
of all, as far
as I can
remember, the
co-chairs have
always asked
the community
to give decent
explanations
of what raises
their
concerns, but
instead, there
were constant
personal
attacks,
unrelated
subjects and
arguments and
no more
unaddressed
concerns.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
lang="EN-US">Dragging
the co-chairs
and accusing
them of some
serious
accusations
just because
one proposal
reached
consensus and
others did
not, proves
again that
this recall is
based on
personal
guesses and
speculations
with no <span
style="color:rgb(44,45,48)">discrete</span>, distinguished and notable
reasons.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
lang="EN-US">Our
community
seems not to
be, sadly
enough, a
stress-free
working
environment.
The co-chairs
always have to
deal with
targets set by
the community,
and <strong><span
style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">these targets are often
hard to
achieve,</span></strong> which
creates a lot
of pressure on
them. </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
lang="EN-US">I
substantially
believe that
the co-chairs
are not taking
a side and are
perfectly
respecting one
of the most
important
values in the
CPM which is
fairness. They
care enough to
assess their
performance by
respecting the
CPM, Not
taking sides
but actually
discussing
each policy on
its own and
most
importantly
giving enough
time to solve
the
community’s
concerns.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:36pt;line-height:115%">
<span
lang="EN-US">I
strongly
believe that
what we do
need more is
to be
objective in
the way we
judge things,
and actually
stop having
unfair
opinions in
order to have
more clarity,
lack of bias,
and often
transparent
obviousness of
the truth.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:36pt;line-height:115%">
<span
lang="EN-US">Cheers,</span></p>
<p
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</p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
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<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Le mer. 18 nov. 2020 à 10:03, Taiwo Oyewande
<<a
href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :</p>
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I will like to
believe that
the recall
request sent
to the board
is to permit a
form of
election for
the community
to either vote
to remove or
retain the
serving co
chairs. As the
board didn’t
vote/ appoint
the cochairs
therefore,
they have no
powers to
remove them. <br>
<br>
This recall
seems like an
attempt to
hijack the
community
through the
back door. I
can see that
the petition
was signed by
<br>
1. one person
who lost
elections in
Kampala to the
current
Co-chairs, <br>
2. authors of
competing
proposal with
our Inter RIR
policy,<br>
3. a member
whose right
was suspended
after he
violated the
CoC. <br>
4. A member
who shamefully
made frivolous
allegation in
Uganda using
a fake profile
among others.
<br>
This list of
petitioners
makes me
wonder if this
is a personal
vendetta. <br>
<br>
The petition
to me borders
around the co
chairs using
initiative to
take
decisions. It
seems that
some party
“the power
brokers” are
aggrieved that
they are not
been consulted
before the co
chairs make
decisions <br>
<br>
Another funny
allegation is
that the co
chairs wasted
the time of
the community
by not passing
policies in
Angola - this
is a
misleading
argument as
discussing
policies to
improve them
is never a
waste of time.
Unfortunately
when they
decided to
make sure that
polices are
resolved
during the
last PPM. The
exact same
people
complained. <br>
I guess the
co-chairs can
never do right
in their
sight. <br>
<br>
Finally, as
one of the
authors of the
competing
proposals in
Angola. I will
like to
clearly state
that the
co-chairs sent
all authors of
competing
policy
proposals to
try and
consolidate
the policies.
My co-author
and i had
several
meeting with
Jordi but the
authors of the
third proposal
totally
refused the
offer to join
heads to
produce one
proposal. This
now makes me
wonder how
they derived
the claim that
the co-chairs
tried to force
the
consolidation
when they
where not even
present. <br>
I will like to
clearly state
that the
co-chairs did
not interfere
in our
meetings.
Hence the call
on stage in
Angola to find
out our
resolve from
the said
meeting.<br>
<br>
My input.<br>
<br>
Kind regards.
<br>
Taiwo<br>
<br>
> On 18 Nov
2020, at
07:31, Owen
DeLong <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Speaking
strictly as
myself, not
representing
any
organization
or company:<br>
> <br>
> I
couldn’t agree
more. This
recall
petition is
entirely
specious and
without merit.<br>
> <br>
> As to the
supposed
reasons and
evidence
supporting the
removal of the
co-chairs, the
following
problems exist
with the PDF
provided to
the community
(this may not
be a
comprehensive
list, but it
certainly
covers enough
to indicate
that the PDF
is not a basis
for removal of
the
co-chairs):<br>
> <br>
> A:
There is
nothing
prohibiting
the
recruitment of
people to
participate in
AfriNIC, in
fact<br>
> it is
encouraged.<br>
> <br>
> I fail
to understand
what bearing
the
resignation of
the co-chair
and failure to
elect a<br>
>
co-chair in
Dakar has on
the legitimacy
of the current
chairs.
Indeed, the
supposed<br>
>
controversial
election
refers to
Kampala which
really only
applies to one
of the two<br>
>
current
serving
co-chairs as
the other was
recently
re-elected in
the AfriNIC
virtual<br>
>
meeting.<br>
> <br>
> While
I agree that
singing a
national
anthem of one
of the
co-chairs in
celebration of<br>
> the
election
result is a
bit uncouth, I
see no
relevance
here. It
occurred after
the<br>
>
election was
over and
therefore
could not have
altered the
outcome of the
election.<br>
> <br>
> The
“protests”
were the sour
grapes of a
small (but
vocal)
minority of
the community.<br>
> <br>
> As to
“Finding 1”,
this is
outside of the
control of the
co-chairs that
were elected<br>
> in
Kampala and
thus has no
bearing on the
discussion
here.<br>
> <br>
> As
such, I submit
that section A
is wholly
without merit
and is a
blatant
attempt to<br>
> malign
the current
co-chairs
without
substance.<br>
> <br>
> B:
Paragraph 1 is
nearly
impossible to
parse, but if
I understand
the authors’
intended<br>
>
meaning, they
are claiming
that the
co-chairs were
somehow taken
to a hotel for<br>
> some
form of
improper
ex-parte
communication.
Further, they
appear to be
claiming that<br>
> they
asked the
board to
investigate
this
allegation,
but the board
didn’t do so
and<br>
> they
therefor have
no evidence to
support this
claim.<br>
> <br>
> There
is so much
wrong with
this that it
is difficult
to dignify it
with a
response,<br>
>
nonetheless, I
will do so
here. First,
merely taking
the co-chairs
to a hotel
hardly<br>
> seems
like a
nefarious act.
I, myself have
been known to
enjoy a meal
or a drink or
two<br>
> with
co-chairs of
various RIRs.
Surely the
co-chairs are
not denied a
social life
merely<br>
>
because of
their
position.<br>
> <br>
> There
is no evidence
that any sort
of undue
influence was
exerted
through any
ex-parte<br>
>
communication
that may have
occurred
during this
alleged outing
as indicated
by the<br>
>
authors’ own
words “The
board did not
act as nothing
was reported
back.”<br>
> <br>
>
Paragraph 2 I
reviewed the
video
referenced.<br>
> <br>
> I did
not see
evidence of
bias. I did
not see
evidence of
incapability
or
incompetence.<br>
> <br>
> I saw
a good faith
effort to be
courteous and
collegial with
the authors of
two competing<br>
>
policies and
an effort to
see if the
authors were
willing to
work together
to consolidate<br>
> their
policies. I
saw a lack of
cooperation by
the both
policy authors
which the
chairs<br>
>
attempted to
navigate.<br>
> <br>
> I will
admit that the
chairs may
have pushed a
little harder
than I think
was
appropriate<br>
>
towards
encouraging
the authors to
work together,
but that’s a
difficult
judgment call<br>
> in the
circumstance
and it’s quite
clear that the
chairs stopped
well short of
the point<br>
> of
overcoming any
intransigence
by the
authors. As
such, I see no
harm to the
PDP in their<br>
>
conduct.<br>
> <br>
> While
I don’t agree
with all of
the decisions
made by the
co-chairs,
especially the
AS0<br>
> ROA
proposal, as I
stated on the
list at the
time, I
recognize the
legitimacy of
their<br>
>
decision and
the fact that
people of good
conscience can
view the same
set of facts
and/or<br>
> the
same issues
differently.
The default
position
should be no
consensus. A
co-chair that<br>
> is not
confident that
there is
strong
community
consensus for
a proposal
should
absolutely<br>
>
declare
no-consensus
and that is
exactly what
happened here.
No consensus
is not fatal
or<br>
> even
really harmful
to a proposal.
It just means
that the
authors need
to continue
their<br>
>
efforts to
build
consensus
among the
community
either through
further
discussion on
the<br>
>
mailing list
or by
modifying the
proposal to
address the
objections. In
some cases, it
may<br>
> be
that a
proposal
simply isn’t
something the
community
wants. I don’t
think that
applies<br>
> to AS0
ROAs, but in
such a case,
the rejection
of the
proposal is a
perfectly
valid outcome.<br>
> <br>
> I
believe the
failure of the
AfriNIC
community to
include a
mechanism for
the community
to<br>
>
express that a
proposal
should not be
recycled or
further
discussed
because it is
simply<br>
> not
wanted by the
community is
one of the
biggest
problems in
the AfriNIC
PDP. That
failure<br>
> is the
main reason
that proposals
like Resource
Review plagued
the community
for so long.<br>
> <br>
> The
authors of
this so-called
recall
petition admit
that their
appeal of the
co-chairs<br>
>
decision was
unsuccessful
because they
failed to file
a properly
formed appeal,
yet they<br>
>
mention this
as if it is
somehow an
indictment of
the co-chairs.<br>
> <br>
> Time
spent
discussing
proposals is
not wasted,
even if the
proposals
aren’t
advanced.<br>
> Such a
claim is
contrary to
the spirit and
intent of the
PDP and the
values of the
RIR<br>
>
system. From
what I saw,
the major
obstacle to
the resolution
of objections
was more about<br>
> the
intransigence
of the authors
than anything
under the
control of the
co-chairs.<br>
>
Notably, the
group filing
this petition
contains many
of the most
intransigent
proposal<br>
>
authors in the
region.<br>
> <br>
> While
I do not
believe it
appropriate
for co-chairs
to tell
someone to
“retire” or
“go away”,<br>
> and as
such won’t
defend the
general tone
of either of
the messages
referenced, I
think they<br>
>
stopped short
of such an
outright
suggestion as
the text in
the PDF would
indicate. I
also<br>
> think
that the
repeated
attacks on the
co-chairs by a
vocal minority
including
(perhaps even<br>
> led
by) the
so-called
“senior
members of the
community” in
question
leading up to
it makes the<br>
>
somewhat
visceral
response
understandable,
though still
not ideal.
Taking the
messages out
of<br>
>
context is
disingenuous
at best.<br>
> <br>
>
Finding 2 is
utterly
specious. The
co-chairs are
gaining
experience
with the PDP
and WG<br>
>
procedures and
I see no
evidence that
they’ve done
any worse
running the WG
than many of<br>
> their
far less
controversial
predecessors.
If their
supposed “lack
of neutrality”
rises<br>
> only
to the level
of “suspicion”
and you cannot
present actual
evidence or
even a solid<br>
> claim
that it exists
in fact, then
that is hardly
a basis for
removal.
You’ve shown<br>
> no
evidence that
bias exists
and therefor
no basis for
your claim
that said bias
impacted<br>
> the
meeting. I
fail to see
how the
concerns of
some or the
fears of
others are
relevant<br>
> here.
We should be
seeking facts
and evidence
regarding any
suspected
wrongdoing,
not<br>
>
concerns and
fears.<br>
> <br>
> C: Was
there more
that the
co-chairs
could have
done in the
time before
AfriNIC-32?
Almost<br>
>
certainly yes.
OTOH, nearly
everyone has
dropped some
balls in one
way or another
during<br>
> that
time. The
world was on
tilt most of
that time
period as a
result of a
virus which<br>
> is
still running
rampant in
many parts of
the world.
Many of us
have lost
friends and/or<br>
> loved
ones and
almost all of
us at least
know someone
who has lost a
friend or a
loved one.<br>
> There
is nobody who
can say they
remain
untouched by
this current
circumstance
and to<br>
> expect
perfect
execution of
even the most
experienced
and capable of
co-chairs
would be<br>
> an
unreasonable
request under
the
circumstances.<br>
> <br>
> The
PDF authors
present no
evidence to
support their
claim that the
co-chairs had
selected<br>
> a
particular
proposal to
push forward
and their
supposed
reference to
some form of
demonstration<br>
> at
AfriNIC-31 is
without
foundation or
evidence.<br>
> <br>
> Their
further claim
(1) that the
co-chairs did
nothing is
also presented
without
evidence.<br>
> The
email cited is
a message from
Eddy
describing the
plan of
record. It
provides no
information<br>
> about
any action or
inaction in
the preceding
process by the
co-chairs.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(2) that staff
took the lead
ignores any
interactions
which may have
occurred<br>
> off
list between
the co-chairs,
staff, and/or
the board
regarding
coordination
and<br>
>
planning for
the
possibility of
a virtual
AfriNIC
meeting
possibly
including a
PDWG<br>
>
meeting. The
larger
questions of
the AfriNIC
meeting were
out of scope
for the
co-chairs<br>
> and
expecting them
to solve the
PDWG meeting
questions
prior to
obtaining
answers from<br>
> staff
regarding the
questions
around the
larger meeting
(which are the
questions
authors<br>
> refer
to when
claiming staff
took the lead)
is absurd.<br>
> <br>
>
Regarding
claim (3), the
incumbent
co-chair is
not
responsible
for the
behavior of
other<br>
>
candidates and
any such
expectation
that the
co-chair would
perform
his/her duties
in a<br>
> manner
more to the
liking of the
authors or
candidates in
question would
be
inappropriate<br>
> in the
extreme. So
far, I have
seen little
evidence of
poor or
improper
performance of<br>
> their
duties by the
co-chairs in
question.
Certainly
nothing that
rises to the
level of<br>
> any
legitimacy for
an attempt to
remove them
from office.
Neither of the
emails cited<br>
>
indicates any
sort of
expected
change in
behavior by
the co-chairs.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(4) that the
decisions made
by the
co-chairs at
AfriNIC-32
were “all
rejected and<br>
>
appealed” is
interesting to
note that all
of those
appeals were
submitted by a
single<br>
>
proposal
author.
Further, since
the Appeals
committee has
given
themselves
until<br>
>
February 18,
2021 to
conclude and
publish the
last appeal
result and has
not provided<br>
> any
conclusions as
yet (In fact,
one of the
dates
suggested for
publication
was<br>
>
December 22,
2021, but I
suspect that’s
a typo for
December 22,
2020), it’s
really<br>
> hard
to know
whether these
appeals are
simply a
concerted
effort by a
vocal minority<br>
> to
discredit the
co-chairs or
whether they
have actual
merit. As
such, using
this fact<br>
> as a
basis for
removal of the
co-chairs is
premature at
best and
potentially
manipulative<br>
> and
dishonest at
worst.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(5) is not
supported by
the email
referenced (or
authors need
to be more
specific<br>
> about
where in the
email they see
evidence
supporting
their claim as
I do not see
it<br>
> in
reviewing that
email). The
video shows a
co-chair
struggling a
bit with
language, but<br>
>
overall
delivering a
concise and
well reasoned
description of
the situation
with each<br>
> policy
and reasonable
determinations
of consensus
or not based
on the record
available.<br>
>
Disagreeing
with the
co-chairs
judgment of
consensus
alone is not
justification
for a<br>
>
recall. Each
issue that I
heard the
co-chair
mentioned was
an issue that
had been
brought<br>
> up in
the discussion
either in
person or on
the mailing
list. Poor
memory on the
part of<br>
> the
PDF authors
should not be
grounds for
removal of a
co-chair.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(6) mostly
reiterates
claim (4) and
offers nothing
novel or
useful to the
record.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(7) does not
provide
sufficient
information
and should be
clarified by
the PDF
authors<br>
> prior
to being
evaluated for
merit (or lack
there of).<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(8) is not
accurate. The
amendments
proposed by
the co-chairs
had been
previously<br>
>
requested by
multiple
members of the
community and
directly
addressed
objections
raised<br>
> by the
community. The
co-chairs
asked the
proposal
authors if
they were
amenable to
the<br>
>
amendments
requested in
order to
achieve
consensus and
authors
agreed. There
is little<br>
> actual
and no
effective
difference
between this
and the
co-chairs
determining<br>
>
non-consensus
based on the
objections
rectified by
the amendments
followed by
authors<br>
> making
the amendments
in question,
followed by a
determination
of consensus
(which is<br>
>
entirely
within the
PDP). It is
interesting
that the
authors of
this
accusatory PDF<br>
> argue
on one hand
that co-chairs
wasted time by
not moving
things forward
and then here<br>
>
complain that
authors made
efficient use
of time by
getting author
consent for
amendments<br>
>
requested by
the community
and declaring
consensus on
the proposal
with those
amendments.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(9) This
appears to be
a generally
factual claim,
but I’m not
sure how it is
relevant<br>
> as a
claim of
malfeasance or
incompetence
on the part of
the co-chairs.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(10) lacks
foundation or
evidence. I’m
not sure how
"objections
forcing the
authors<br>
> to
make a lot of
substantial
changes” is in
violation of
the PDP… It’s
my belief that
the<br>
> PDP is
intended to
allow the
community to
insist upon
needed changes
in a proposal
throughout<br>
> the
process.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(11) also
lacks
foundation or
evidence. If
there is a
basis to a
claim that the<br>
>
so-called
editorial
changes were
not, in fact,
editorial in
nature, then
that basis<br>
> should
be explained
in the
document and
supporting
evidence
should be
provided. The<br>
> mere
filing of an
appeal (or
even two
appeals) is
proof of
nothing other
than the<br>
> fact
that someone
didn’t like
the outcome.<br>
> <br>
> Claim
(12) It’s
unclear what
“submission”
to whom is
expected in
Claim (12),
nor do I see<br>
>
anything in
the PDP that
requires the
co-chairs to
await the
decision of
the appeal<br>
>
committee
prior to
defending
their
decisions to
the community.
One one hand,
PDF authors<br>
> are
claiming that
the co-chairs
ignore
community
input and on
the other they
are now<br>
>
complaining
that the
co-chairs
decided to
solicit
additional
community
feedback given<br>
> the
apparent
controversy
over their
decision. It’s
unclear to me
which
provisions of<br>
> the
PDP this is
alleged to
violate and
authors make
no citations
of the
relevant PDP<br>
>
sections to
which they
vaguely refer
in the phrase
“more
violations of
the PDP”.<br>
>
Further,
co-chairs are
elected to
implement and
manage the
PDP. They are
not
responsible<br>
> for
defending the
PDP (nor do I
believe that
the PDP is
under attack
except
possibly by<br>
> the
proposal to
modify it
which did not
achieve
consensus). In
fact,
defending the<br>
> PDP
against that
proposal would
be a violation
of the PDP in
my opinion, so
once again,<br>
>
authors of the
PDF have
erred.<br>
> <br>
>
Because
virtually the
entire basis
for Finding 3
is refuted
above, it is
also my
considered<br>
>
opinion that
Finding 3 is
entirely
specious and
without merit.
There is no
evidence
presented<br>
> that
the co-chairs
violated the
PDP, nor is
there any
indication
that they made
“unilateral”<br>
>
decisions
inconsistent
with the
record of
community
input. They
have not
demonstrated a
lack<br>
> of
fairness. The
question of
neutrality is
subjective at
best and
there’s no
clear evidence<br>
> of
bias
presented. The
policy
preferences
expressed by
the co-chairs
are consistent
with the<br>
>
community
feedback
received in
the record
overall and do
not provide
any clear
indication<br>
> of
bias. Yes,
they are
contrary to
the opinions
of the PDF
authors, but
so is much of
the<br>
>
feedback
received from
the community
on a variety
of issues.<br>
> <br>
>
Conclusion:<br>
> <br>
> The
vast majority
of the claims
made in this
document are
entirely
specious and
without<br>
> merit.
I hope that
the board will
dismiss this
action as the
frivolous and
baseless<br>
> attack
on the PDP
that it
represents and
I hope that we
can all move
forward on a
more<br>
>
collegial
basis. I hope
that the PDF
authors will
stop using
Donald Trump
as a role
model<br>
> and
recognize that
bullying is
ultimately a
losing
strategy.<br>
> <br>
> Owen<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On
Nov 17, 2020,
at 1:54 PM,
Ekaterina
Kalugina <<a
href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear
community,<br>
>> <br>
>> It is
my firm belief
that the
current
request to
recall the
co-chairs is
not only
incredibly
unfounded,
biased and
generally done
in bad faith
but is, in
fact, in
violation of
some of the
basic values
AFRINIC stands
for.<br>
> <br>
> [snip]<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
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style="margin-left:36pt">_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
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_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
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href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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RPD mailing list
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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