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    <p>Good, we will hold our fire awaiting the following of the CPM.</p>
    <p>Thanks for the guide.</p>
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    <p>Simply,</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/11/2020 1:14 pm, Sunday Folayan
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>Hello Wijdane,</p>
      <p>I am not for or against the recall, but the endless suggestions
        at variance to the CPM will not help.</p>
      <p>The CPM is very clear as to the process for handling this
        issue, and we should stop throwing any argument under the guise
        of disagreement. (Bullets simply for easy reading)<br>
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      <p><b>3.5  Conflict Resolution</b><b><br>
        </b><b> - Anyone may request the recall of a Working Group Chair
          at any time, </b><b><br>
        </b></p>
      <p><b> - upon written request with justification to the AFRINIC
          Board of Directors. </b><b><br>
        </b></p>
      <p><b> - The request must be supported by at least five (5) other
          persons from the Working Group. </b><b><br>
        </b></p>
      <p><b> - The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
          committee, </b><b><br>
        </b></p>
      <p><b> - excluding the persons requesting the recall and the
          Working Group Chairs. </b><b><br>
        </b></p>
      <p><b> - The recall committee shall investigate the circumstances
          of the justification for the recall and determine the outcome.</b><b><br>
        </b></p>
      <p>For now, let us follow the laid down process.<br>
      </p>
      <p>If this is not acceptable to you, then initiate a modification
        of the policy, to allow the recall or re-affirmation of Chairs
        via some form of balloting. <br>
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      <p>Allow the Board act in accordance with the CPM by appointing a
        recall committee.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Please leave the recall committee to determine fairness, based
        on the submitted justification.</p>
      <p>We have always learnt from all actions. We will learn from the
        process, and we will do it better next time.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Sunday.</p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/22/20 12:00 PM, Wijdane Goubi
        wrote:<br>
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            <div>Dear community,</div>
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            As you can all notice, there is a huge disagreement going on
            concerning the request to recall the co-chairs, which many
            have pointed out to be biased and unjust. Thus, I believe it
            would only be fair to organize a vote about whether this
            request shall proceed on not. We have always proved as a
            community to be efficient in solving issues through the most
            democratic and fair ways and I believe this a crucial moment
            where we need to do so as well.<br>
            <br>
            Jeopardizing the reputation and position of two individuals
            shouldn’t be as easy as it is, otherwise, it will encourage
            individuals in the future to abuse the request of recall
            whenever there is a personal motive. Such a serious decision
            of recalling the chairs should not lay at the hand of six
            people out of a big community whose voice matters as
            equally. I believe this will not only be fair to the
            co-chairs but also to both parties who seem to argue or
            disagree with the request.<br>
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          <div>Regards</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 20 nov. 2020
            à 15:10, Fernando Frediani <<a
              href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
            a écrit :<br>
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              <p>I am glad to see the same and very repeating only
                argument against this Recall Request is that some (not
                all) of the authors are also authors of 'competing
                proposals' (as if the PDWG was a battle of proposals)
                and trying to make up as if this was something
                forbidden.<br>
              </p>
              <p>Everything that was done in both the Appeal and the
                Recall Request is done strictly in the line with what
                the CPM allows so there is nothing else others that are
                moaning about can do other than wait for the output.<br>
              </p>
              <p>Please leave with the Board to do its job. It's
                entirely up to them to consider if the justifications
                given make sense or not.<br>
                Fernando<br>
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              <div>On 20/11/2020 10:58, Ekaterina Kalugina wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Dear community,</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">As Andrew pointed out: "Anyone may
                    request the recall of a Working Group Chair at any
                    time, upon written request with justification to the
                    AFRINIC Board of Directors." </div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">The problem here is that there are no
                    valid justifications to support the present recall
                    request. As many of the members including myself
                    already pointed out, this recall request is
                    unjustified as it is not based on objective facts.
                    Rather, this request is largely unfounded and
                    supported by biased arguments and bitter emotional
                    accusations. No tangible evidence has been presented
                    to support the case. There is also a serious
                    conflict of interest as some of the signatories
                    happen to be authors of a competing transfer
                    proposal, while others were denied the position of a
                    chair in the previous elections. </div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">This request is also generally done in
                    bad faith. It's text refers to a number of appeals
                    to justify its legitimacy. Yet, these appeals were
                    all launched by the very same people who signed this
                    recall request. In my view, this is an unfair move
                    that seeks to bend the PDP to the agendas of a few.
                    Such behavior undermines the legitimacy of the whole
                    process and should not be tolerated. Thus, I contend
                    that this recall request lacks enough justifications
                    to be considered legitimate.</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Ekaterina </div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 20 Nov 2020,
                    11:23 lucilla fornaro <<a
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                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
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                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Many pointed out
                          the Board now needs to appoint an impartial
                          recall committee, and that’s what I hope.</div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">From my
                          perspective, the recall lacks objective,
                          accurate, and impartial evidence, and it seems
                          to be the consequence of resentment and
                          disappointment.</div>
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                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">"Conclusions"
                          reports a clear example of what I am talking
                          about:</div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
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                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">“The co-chairs
                          continue to ignore the numerous calls to them
                          to take the proposal back for further
                          discussions." </div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">This is exactly
                          the opposite of what happened! Co-chairs after
                          a member’s request extended the last call to
                          allow further discussions. This is a fact, and
                          I cannot understand how it is possible to
                          misrepresent it. To me, this is bad faith, and
                          I see no reason for this recall to exist. It
                          is just the last of several attempts to
                          intimidate the community and co-chairs.</div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards,</div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Lucilla </div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 19
                        nov 2020 alle ore 22:48 Timothy Ola Akinfenwa
                        <<a
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                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                        ha scritto:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_default">At least this is an
                            objective way forward for me, and yes of
                            course <i><font color="#0b5394">with the
                                exclusion of the co-chairs and
                                complainants</font></i> as earlier
                            clarified. The main hassle now is getting
                            neutral parties that will serve in the
                            Recall Committee devoid of any bias and
                            intimidation to finally bring this issue to
                            a close.</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_default">🕊✌<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov
                            19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Andrew Alston <<a
                              href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Up
                                    until now, I’ve stayed pretty silent
                                    on this, because quite frankly – I
                                    have no issues with the chairs and
                                    if they stay or go makes very little
                                    difference in my life.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That
                                    being said – the one thing I do care
                                    about is the process.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So
                                    – let’s look at that.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section
                                    3.5 of the consolidated policy
                                    manual states:</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:Symbol">·</span> 
                                  Anyone may request the recall of a
                                  Working Group Chair at any time, upon
                                  written request with justification to
                                  the AFRINIC Board of Directors. The
                                  request must be supported by at least
                                  five (5) other persons from the
                                  Working Group. The AFRINIC Board of
                                  Directors shall appoint a recall
                                  committee, excluding the persons
                                  requesting the recall and the Working
                                  Group Chairs. The recall committee
                                  shall investigate the circumstances of
                                  the justification for the recall and
                                  determine the outcome.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So
                                    – it is at the discretion of those
                                    who requested the recall to do so –
                                    that much is clear – if we don’t
                                    like that – change the PDP.  The
                                    board however, is now obligated
                                    under the PDP to appoint a recall
                                    committee, as per the above point,
                                    that includes the working group
                                    chairs and the complainants, and
                                    that committee then reviews,
                                    deliberates and delivers a verdict. 
                                    My reading of that is that the
                                    committee appointed shall be
                                    appointed from the community –
                                    though that may well be a subjective
                                    reading of the text. I would hope
                                    that the board would endeavor to
                                    appoint individuals entirely
                                    divorced from this mess on the list
                                    who can be objective and impartial
                                    in their review of the available
                                    evidence and then render a verdict
                                    based on hard fact and evidence. 
                                    But whichever way this happens – we
                                    have a policy process – and while we
                                    may or may not like the outcomes of
                                    the policy process – the process is
                                    sacrosanct and must be observed and
                                    followed, and if we don’t like what
                                    the process says – the PDP process
                                     allows for us, as members of the
                                    PDP, to change that process through
                                    the rough consensus process.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:36pt"><b><span
                                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                        lang="EN-US"> <a
                                          href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">dc@darwincosta.com</a>
                                        <<a
                                          href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">dc@darwincosta.com</a>>
                                        <br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19
                                        November 2020 11:04<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> Gaby Giner <<a
                                          href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>;
                                        rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
                                        Policy <<a
                                          href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd]
                                        REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC
                                        PDWG CO-CHAIRS</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                      On 19 Nov 2020, at 07:23, Gaby
                                      Giner <<a
                                        href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                              lang="FR">Everyone,</span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> <b><span
                                                lang="FR"> </span></b></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            Most of the arguments
                                            advanced are irrelevant and
                                            completely out of the
                                            context of the nature of the
                                            demand to recall the
                                            co-chairs. Therefore, it
                                            would make the whole request
                                            null and invalid.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
                                              A:</b></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            This part does not have any
                                            violations or dishonest acts
                                            done by any of the
                                            co-chairs. They have had no
                                            influence whatsoever on
                                            neither the meeting
                                            participants nor their
                                            reaction (which I don't see
                                            the relevance here anyway).
                                            This looks like a normal
                                            election process to me, not
                                            only in this particular
                                            field but for everything and
                                            everywhere else in the
                                            world. Stating otherwise is
                                            either naïve or just
                                            clueless. Also, protests
                                            from a losing party look
                                            like a normal reaction to me
                                            in an election, some more
                                            sore than others as
                                            evidenced by recent
                                            presidential elections in
                                            the US, but I digress. All
                                            of the points made in this
                                            part are wholly immaterial
                                            and should be dismissed.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
                                              B :</b></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            1.)</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> I
                                            noticed you keep basing your
                                            arguments on "it was
                                            observed", "Observed by a
                                            participant" and "Following
                                            the suspicions". Serious
                                            accusations should be based
                                            on actual proof and precise
                                            arguments: not guesses,
                                            suspicions, and some
                                            anonymous witnesses and
                                            vague insinuations. Anyone
                                            can come up with scenarios
                                            if they are unfounded and
                                            unproven, especially if they
                                            are about events that have
                                            occurred a very long time
                                            ago but were not reported at
                                            the exact time. What makes
                                            it the best moment now? And
                                            why didn't you ask to recall
                                            the co-chairs back then if
                                            you had all the necessary
                                            proof? This makes absolutely
                                            no sense because if your
                                            intentions are as honest as
                                            you claim they are, this
                                            should have been handled a
                                            while ago and not right
                                            after the same community
                                            reelected one of the same
                                            co-chairs.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            Nevertheless, this is a
                                            blatant interference in two
                                            people's personal life. I
                                            hope this behavior won't
                                            start encouraging
                                            individuals to begin
                                            following co-chairs to
                                            hotels and anywhere else
                                            outside the PPM conference
                                            room. We are talking about
                                            two people who were brave
                                            enough to volunteer to do a
                                            job that starts and ends
                                            inside the PPM room and in
                                            the mailing list. Whatever
                                            else they do in their
                                            private time shouldn't be of
                                            anyone's concern and has
                                            nothing to do with their
                                            work integrity.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            2.)</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            There isn't anything wrong
                                            with the video, and nothing
                                            you have stated appears to
                                            exist. I think you are the
                                            one that interpreted the
                                            meeting in a biased way. The
                                            co-chairs simply gave
                                            recommendations that they
                                            think favor the community
                                            and are related to managing
                                            the PDP, which is totally in
                                            their scope. As long as it's
                                            not enforced, then no harm
                                            is intended nor done. </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            3.)</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            The rpd list in an open
                                            space where individuals are
                                            free to respond, converse,
                                            and argue. As long as no
                                            offense or attacks are
                                            intended, the freedom to
                                            defend oneself should not be
                                            censored just because
                                            "seniors" as you call it,
                                            are involved. Particularly
                                            when we all know that there
                                            has been a serious history
                                            of bullying and unfounded
                                            accusations on the list. I'm
                                            starting to feel weary of
                                            this back-and-forth on this
                                            matter, but nevertheless it
                                            is still worth
                                            reiterating—the RPD list is
                                            a fair space where all
                                            individuals are equal, and
                                            everyone's input is welcome.
                                            So your personal feelings
                                            should not interfere in your
                                            judgment on the work and
                                            integrity of the co-chairs,
                                            nor in your request to
                                            recall them.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> <b>Part
                                              C :</b></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> As
                                            far as I know, the community
                                            handled both the online
                                            meeting and election process
                                            matters. It is not the
                                            co-chair's duty to handle
                                            this sort of thing but
                                            rather the community members
                                            by vote. They only had to
                                            manage the discussions and
                                            take into consideration the
                                            opinions, which they
                                            correctly did. Therefore,
                                            section (1) is utterly
                                            wrong.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            For the rest, let me
                                            summarize it like this :</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            All of this seems very
                                            suspicious and makes me
                                            think that there is some
                                            personal motive or agenda
                                            behind this request. If the
                                            community was discontented
                                            with the current co-chairs,
                                            it could have easily
                                            prevented Abdul Kareem to be
                                            reelected again, which was
                                            not the case. </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> <b><i>"The
                                                co-chairs continue to
                                                ignore the numerous
                                                calls to them to take
                                                the proposal back for
                                                further discussions."</i></b>
                                            This is absolutely not true,
                                            and it can easily be proven
                                            if you just take the time to
                                            go back to the previous
                                            thread about the policy,
                                            extending its last call, and
                                            calling for additional
                                            comments. The co-chairs have
                                            gone back and forth to
                                            satisfy the community's
                                            concerns and have extended
                                            the policy's discussion
                                            time. So did the authors who
                                            have managed to resolve
                                            every issue and improve the
                                            policy, but lately no one
                                            seemed to have any new or
                                            further objections.
                                            Logically this would
                                            convince the co-chairs to
                                            finally give the go signal
                                            for the proposal because it
                                            can't be stuck forever with
                                            the same people who were
                                            raising concerns being
                                            suddenly quiet. There is no
                                            logic at all, and the
                                            procedure was followed
                                            according to protocol.
                                            Therefore, the argument is
                                            not valid.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            Saying that the co-chairs
                                            violated the PDP by
                                            suggesting amendments to
                                            proposals is no violation in
                                            itself because the CPM never
                                            mentioned explicitly that
                                            they are not allowed to do
                                            so. The co-chairs again are
                                            within their scope.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            The WG is managed by the
                                            CPM, which is very clear
                                            about the PDP. You have
                                            mentioned several times
                                            arguments about violations
                                            of the PDP etcetera without
                                            stating what and where it
                                            contradicts what the CPM
                                            says. Unless you do that, I
                                            don't see the validity of
                                            all the related arguments.
                                            You can't judge what a
                                            violation is based on
                                            whether it aligns with your
                                            personal agenda or not.
                                            There are rules and
                                            instructions that have been
                                            created to be followed and
                                            not subjectively
                                            interpreted.</p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">  </p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">
                                            Finally, I totally
                                            understand your
                                            discontentment with the
                                            whole situation since the
                                            transfer policies were in a
                                            tough competition and since
                                            you are the authors of the
                                            other proposal. You can be
                                            unsatisfied for as long as
                                            you can, but let me say that
                                            it is no valid excuse or
                                            justification to make an
                                            unfounded request to recall
                                            the co-chairs whose sole job
                                            is to manage the PDP. Not
                                            only the arguments are
                                            invalid and biased, but
                                            there is no actual proof to
                                            support the claims and
                                            accusations, so I urge the
                                            board to look into this
                                            urgently and dismiss it.
                                            Otherwise, the PDP and the
                                            AFRINIC community will no
                                            longer be the same, which
                                            will be a shame.</p>
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                                </blockquote>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Just
                                    to comment here in between. I don’t
                                    think the main cause here is
                                    “discontentment” but rather how this
                                    proposal was conducted including
                                    last minute changes.</span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>IMHO
                                    and someone has mentioned here on
                                    this tread “collaborative work
                                    between all the authors” - well I
                                    would definitely agree that this is
                                    something that makes a community a
                                    better place. </span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
                                    only concern with this proposal and
                                    all the changes made it on the last
                                    call is that the changes were made
                                    at wrong stage of the process. </span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Last
                                    but not least, remember the
                                    discussion between Cohen and Ronald
                                    here couple of weeks ago? Well same
                                    discussion is running again on the
                                    NANOG mailinglist. And the main
                                    concern here is: </span></p>
                                <p
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                                <p
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                                  <span
                                    style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>      
                                      </span></span></span><span>Where
                                    we conservative enough when all
                                    those resources were sold? </span></p>
                                <p
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                                  <span
                                    style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>      
                                      </span></span></span><span>Are we
                                    even seeing this resources back
                                    anytime soon? Maybe not.... maybe
                                    never...</span></p>
                                <p
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                                  <span
                                    style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>      
                                      </span></span></span><span>Not to
                                    mention how many African startups or
                                    unborn ISP(s) will have to fight for
                                    v4 addresses when those are not
                                    anymore available at Afrinic... We
                                    all know where they will have to go
                                    to......</span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>I
                                    could go even further but I will
                                    stop here by saying - What happened
                                    in the past can happen again and
                                    only time will tell how good or bad
                                    this proposal is FOR US. </span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>As
                                    community we need to protect AFRINIC
                                    interests instead of individuals
                                    benefits.... </span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
                                    2cts.</span></p>
                                <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:36pt">Thanks,
                                                  Gaby</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Darwin-.</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                    <br>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:36pt">On
                                                Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at
                                                11:51 AM lucilla fornaro
                                                <<a
                                                  href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                                  rel="noreferrer"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                                wrote:</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Dear Community,</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">I believe that the multiple accusations towards
                                                      Co-Chairs, and of
                                                      course, the
                                                      current request to
                                                      recall is
                                                      suspicious,
                                                      unfair, and in bad
                                                      faith. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">The recall seems to be a sort of intimidatory
                                                      attempt of revenge
                                                      for the mere fact
                                                      that their
                                                      proposals did not
                                                      reach consensus.</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">I was not a member of Afrinic when Co-chairs
                                                      were elected, but
                                                      based on what is
                                                      written on the
                                                      recall, I cannot
                                                      understand how
                                                      Co-chairs are to
                                                      be considered
                                                      responsible for
                                                      previous
                                                      Co-chairs'
                                                      resignation. </p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">According to paragraph 1, I understand authors’
                                                      are suggesting an
                                                      ex-parte
                                                      communication,
                                                      once again without
                                                      documentation. The
                                                      point is, every
                                                      single human
                                                      behavior might be
                                                      misunderstood,
                                                      that is why
                                                      without shreds of
                                                      evidence, these
                                                      kinds of
                                                      accusations should
                                                      not even be
                                                      mentioned. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">I feel the recall is more personal than based
                                                      on facts. The
                                                      recall's main
                                                      supporters are
                                                      those authors that
                                                      have seen their
                                                      proposals
                                                      rejected, as well
                                                      as someone who has
                                                      lost elections to
                                                      the current
                                                      Co-chairs.  </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">The recall is a mere list of accusations of
                                                      presumable and
                                                      never confirmed
                                                      violations
                                                      perpetrated by
                                                      Co-chairs since
                                                      the beginning of
                                                      their office.
                                                      Without evidence
                                                      or a clear and
                                                      specific reference
                                                      to the CPM,
                                                      indictments are
                                                      inappropriate and
                                                      meaningless. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Another sign of the resentment and hostility
                                                      comes not only
                                                      from the recall
                                                      but also from the
                                                      previous
                                                      discussions where
                                                      it was clear that
                                                      the main goal was
                                                      to silence some
                                                      other members of
                                                      the community to
                                                      make sure their
                                                      proposals had no
                                                      objections. The
                                                      anger is clear
                                                      from the way the
                                                      recall is written
                                                      and the
                                                      manipulative
                                                      language used.
                                                      Again, the
                                                      unfounded
                                                      accusations of
                                                      usurpation and
                                                      corruption are
                                                      unacceptable.
                                                      Authors accused
                                                      co-chairs when, in
                                                      reality, and
                                                      according to their
                                                      admission, they
                                                      failed to file a
                                                      properly formed
                                                      appeal. This is a
                                                      very controversial
                                                      behavior that
                                                      nothing has to do
                                                      with Afrinic and
                                                      its development. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">To me, these are all relevant elements the
                                                      Board needs to
                                                      consider.</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Lucilla</p>
                                                  </div>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">Il
                                                    giorno mer 18 nov
                                                    2020 alle ore 23:03
                                                    Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    ha scritto:</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Dear Community; Dear All, <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      After an in-depth
                                                      review of this
                                                      current request to
                                                      recall the Afrinic
                                                      PDWG co-chairs, I
                                                      have come to the
                                                      conclusion that
                                                      this request is
                                                      not only biased,
                                                      it is filled with
                                                      accusations,
                                                      personal reasons
                                                      especially with
                                                      regards to the
                                                      event of things of
                                                      the past month
                                                      during the last
                                                      call, attaining
                                                      consensus and the
                                                      difficulty in the
                                                      ratification and
                                                      implementation of
                                                      the specific
                                                      policies due to
                                                      its conflict with
                                                      other policies of
                                                      similar nature.
                                                      Additionally, this
                                                      request has no
                                                      significant proof
                                                      as well as
                                                      justification. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Initially, during
                                                      the policy
                                                      decision process
                                                      and the last call
                                                      period, the
                                                      co-chairs
                                                      performed their
                                                      duties as the
                                                      representatives of
                                                      the PDWG, gave
                                                      every member of
                                                      the working groups
                                                      to make their
                                                      inputs and express
                                                      their opinions
                                                      whether in support
                                                      or against the
                                                      policy in
                                                      discussion at the
                                                      time. Likewise,
                                                      these opinions,
                                                      inputs and
                                                      concerns expressed
                                                      by the WG were
                                                      been put into
                                                      consideration to
                                                      make the best
                                                      decision that
                                                      works best for the
                                                      AFRINIC RIR and
                                                      focus on the
                                                      development and
                                                      evolution of the
                                                      internet in the
                                                      African region. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Additionally,
                                                      during the AFRINIC
                                                      Virtual PPM, the
                                                      idea that the
                                                      co-chairs made no
                                                      effort to make
                                                      sure that the WG
                                                      understood the
                                                      Pros and Cons of
                                                      the policy is
                                                      outrightly
                                                      accusation with no
                                                      profound
                                                      justification or
                                                      proof. As I can
                                                      recall, during the
                                                      commencement of
                                                      the AFRINIC
                                                      Virtual PPM, the
                                                      co-chairs not only
                                                      described the each
                                                      policy up for the
                                                      discussion but
                                                      they also pointed
                                                      out the pros and
                                                      cons of each
                                                      policy and as
                                                      well, gave the
                                                      authors of the
                                                      policies the
                                                      opportunity to
                                                      elaborately speak
                                                      on the
                                                      significance,
                                                      importance and
                                                      value of their
                                                      policies, and how
                                                      it fits with the
                                                      grand goal of the
                                                      RIR which is the
                                                      development of the
                                                      internet in the
                                                      region, which the
                                                      participants/WG
                                                      whom participated
                                                      in the virtual PPM
                                                      expressed their
                                                      concerns, opinions
                                                      and objections.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Finally, in
                                                      addition to the
                                                      fact that this
                                                      request is
                                                      compounded with
                                                      emotional
                                                      statements, lack
                                                      of concrete
                                                      evidence and
                                                      biases; with the
                                                      person behind this
                                                      request as well as
                                                      the listed
                                                      signatories of
                                                      this request, i
                                                      can firmly adhere
                                                      to the ideology
                                                      that this request
                                                      was specifically
                                                      made out of
                                                      emotional
                                                      sentiments and
                                                      self-indulgent
                                                      feeling of sadness
                                                      due to the
                                                      result/outcome and
                                                      the rightful
                                                      procedures taken
                                                      of the
                                                      well-debated
                                                      ‘Inter-RIR Policy
                                                      Proposal’ which
                                                      had three
                                                      conflicting
                                                      proposals. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Best regards, <br>
                                                      Elvis</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">On Nov 18, 2020, at 21:04, Wijdane Goubi <<a
href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">goubi.wijdane@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span> </span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-US">Dear community,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          have read the
                                                          recall
                                                          document and
                                                          have found it
                                                          based on very
                                                          subjective and
                                                          personal
                                                          reasons, which
                                                          makes sense in
                                                          a way because
                                                          of how the
                                                          last policy
                                                          that has
                                                          reached
                                                          consensus, was
                                                          in a constant
                                                          competition
                                                          with other
                                                          related
                                                          proposals.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">First
                                                          of all, as far
                                                          as I can
                                                          remember, the
                                                          co-chairs have
                                                          always asked
                                                          the community
                                                          to give decent
                                                          explanations
                                                          of what raises
                                                          their
                                                          concerns, but
                                                          instead, there
                                                          were constant
                                                          personal
                                                          attacks,
                                                          unrelated
                                                          subjects and
                                                          arguments and
                                                          no more
                                                          unaddressed
                                                          concerns.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Dragging
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          and accusing
                                                          them of some
                                                          serious
                                                          accusations
                                                          just because
                                                          one proposal
                                                          reached
                                                          consensus and
                                                          others did
                                                          not, proves
                                                          again that
                                                          this recall is
                                                          based on
                                                          personal
                                                          guesses and
                                                          speculations
                                                          with no <span
style="color:rgb(44,45,48)">discrete</span>, distinguished and notable
                                                          reasons.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Our
                                                          community
                                                          seems not to
                                                          be, sadly
                                                          enough, a
                                                          stress-free
                                                          working
                                                          environment.
                                                          The co-chairs
                                                          always have to
                                                          deal with
                                                          targets set by
                                                          the community,
                                                          and <strong><span
style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">these targets are often
                                                          hard to
                                                          achieve,</span></strong> which
                                                          creates a lot
                                                          of pressure on
                                                          them. </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt"> <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          substantially
                                                          believe that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          are not taking
                                                          a side and are
                                                          perfectly
                                                          respecting one
                                                          of the most
                                                          important
                                                          values in the
                                                          CPM which is
                                                          fairness. They
                                                          care enough to
                                                          assess their
                                                          performance by
                                                          respecting the
                                                          CPM, Not
                                                          taking sides
                                                          but actually
                                                          discussing
                                                          each policy on
                                                          its own and
                                                          most
                                                          importantly
                                                          giving enough
                                                          time to solve
                                                          the
                                                          community’s
                                                          concerns.</span></p>
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                                                          <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          strongly
                                                          believe that
                                                          what we do
                                                          need more is
                                                          to be
                                                          objective in
                                                          the way we
                                                          judge things,
                                                          and actually
                                                          stop having
                                                          unfair
                                                          opinions in
                                                          order to have
                                                          more clarity,
                                                          lack of bias,
                                                          and often
                                                          transparent
                                                          obviousness of
                                                          the truth.</span></p>
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                                                          <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Cheers,</span></p>
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                                                          <p
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style="margin-left:36pt">Le mer. 18 nov. 2020 à 10:03, Taiwo Oyewande
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          a écrit :</p>
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                                                          I will like to
                                                          believe that
                                                          the recall
                                                          request sent
                                                          to the board
                                                          is to permit a
                                                          form of
                                                          election for
                                                          the community
                                                          to either vote
                                                          to remove or
                                                          retain the
                                                          serving co
                                                          chairs. As the
                                                          board didn’t
                                                          vote/ appoint
                                                          the cochairs
                                                          therefore,
                                                          they have no
                                                          powers to
                                                          remove them. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          This recall
                                                          seems like an
                                                          attempt to
                                                          hijack the
                                                          community
                                                          through the
                                                          back door. I
                                                          can see that
                                                          the petition
                                                          was signed  by
                                                          <br>
                                                          1.  one person
                                                          who lost
                                                          elections in
                                                          Kampala to the
                                                          current
                                                          Co-chairs, <br>
                                                          2. authors of
                                                          competing
                                                          proposal with
                                                          our Inter RIR
                                                          policy,<br>
                                                          3. a member
                                                          whose right
                                                          was suspended
                                                          after he
                                                          violated  the
                                                          CoC. <br>
                                                          4. A member
                                                          who shamefully
                                                          made frivolous
                                                          allegation in
                                                          Uganda  using
                                                          a fake profile
                                                          among others.
                                                          <br>
                                                          This list of
                                                          petitioners
                                                          makes me
                                                          wonder if this
                                                          is a personal
                                                          vendetta. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The petition
                                                          to me borders
                                                          around the co
                                                          chairs using
                                                          initiative to
                                                          take
                                                          decisions. It
                                                          seems that
                                                          some party
                                                          “the power
                                                          brokers” are
                                                          aggrieved that
                                                          they are not
                                                          been consulted
                                                          before the co
                                                          chairs make
                                                          decisions <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Another funny
                                                          allegation is
                                                          that the co
                                                          chairs wasted
                                                          the time of
                                                          the community
                                                          by not passing
                                                          policies in
                                                          Angola - this
                                                          is a
                                                          misleading
                                                          argument as
                                                          discussing
                                                          policies to
                                                          improve them
                                                          is never a
                                                          waste of time.
                                                          Unfortunately
                                                          when they
                                                          decided to
                                                          make sure that
                                                          polices are
                                                          resolved
                                                          during the
                                                          last PPM. The
                                                          exact same
                                                          people
                                                          complained. <br>
                                                          I guess the
                                                          co-chairs can
                                                          never do right
                                                          in their
                                                          sight. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Finally, as
                                                          one of the
                                                          authors of the
                                                          competing
                                                          proposals in
                                                          Angola. I will
                                                          like to
                                                          clearly state
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs sent
                                                          all authors of
                                                          competing
                                                          policy
                                                          proposals to
                                                          try and
                                                          consolidate
                                                          the policies.
                                                          My co-author
                                                          and i had
                                                          several
                                                          meeting with
                                                          Jordi but the
                                                          authors of the
                                                          third proposal
                                                          totally
                                                          refused the
                                                          offer to join
                                                          heads to
                                                          produce one
                                                          proposal. This
                                                          now makes me
                                                          wonder how
                                                          they derived
                                                          the claim that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          tried to force
                                                          the
                                                          consolidation
                                                          when they
                                                          where not even
                                                          present. <br>
                                                          I will like to
                                                          clearly state
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs did
                                                          not interfere
                                                          in our
                                                          meetings.
                                                          Hence the call
                                                          on stage in
                                                          Angola to find
                                                          out our
                                                          resolve from
                                                          the said
                                                          meeting.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My input.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Kind regards.
                                                          <br>
                                                          Taiwo<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          > On 18 Nov
                                                          2020, at
                                                          07:31, Owen
                                                          DeLong <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > Speaking
                                                          strictly as
                                                          myself, not
                                                          representing
                                                          any
                                                          organization
                                                          or company:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > I
                                                          couldn’t agree
                                                          more. This
                                                          recall
                                                          petition is
                                                          entirely
                                                          specious and
                                                          without merit.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > As to the
                                                          supposed
                                                          reasons and
                                                          evidence
                                                          supporting the
                                                          removal of the
                                                          co-chairs, the
                                                          following
                                                          problems exist
                                                          with the PDF
                                                          provided to
                                                          the community
                                                          (this may not
                                                          be a
                                                          comprehensive
                                                          list, but it
                                                          certainly
                                                          covers enough
                                                          to indicate
                                                          that the PDF
                                                          is not a basis
                                                          for removal of
                                                          the
                                                          co-chairs):<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > A:   
                                                          There is
                                                          nothing
                                                          prohibiting
                                                          the
                                                          recruitment of
                                                          people to
                                                          participate in
                                                          AfriNIC, in
                                                          fact<br>
                                                          >    it is
                                                          encouraged.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I fail
                                                          to understand
                                                          what bearing
                                                          the
                                                          resignation of
                                                          the co-chair
                                                          and failure to
                                                          elect a<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          co-chair in
                                                          Dakar has on
                                                          the legitimacy
                                                          of the current
                                                          chairs.
                                                          Indeed, the
                                                          supposed<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          controversial
                                                          election
                                                          refers to
                                                          Kampala which
                                                          really only
                                                          applies to one
                                                          of the two<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          current
                                                          serving
                                                          co-chairs as
                                                          the other was
                                                          recently
                                                          re-elected in
                                                          the AfriNIC
                                                          virtual<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          meeting.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    While
                                                          I agree that
                                                          singing a
                                                          national
                                                          anthem of one
                                                          of the
                                                          co-chairs in
                                                          celebration of<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          election
                                                          result is a
                                                          bit uncouth, I
                                                          see no
                                                          relevance
                                                          here. It
                                                          occurred after
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          election was
                                                          over and
                                                          therefore
                                                          could not have
                                                          altered the
                                                          outcome of the
                                                          election.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          “protests”
                                                          were the sour
                                                          grapes of a
                                                          small (but
                                                          vocal)
                                                          minority of
                                                          the community.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    As to
                                                          “Finding 1”,
                                                          this is
                                                          outside of the
                                                          control of the
                                                          co-chairs that
                                                          were elected<br>
                                                          >    in
                                                          Kampala and
                                                          thus has no
                                                          bearing on the
                                                          discussion
                                                          here.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    As
                                                          such, I submit
                                                          that section A
                                                          is wholly
                                                          without merit
                                                          and is a
                                                          blatant
                                                          attempt to<br>
                                                          >    malign
                                                          the current
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          without
                                                          substance.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > B:   
                                                          Paragraph 1 is
                                                          nearly
                                                          impossible to
                                                          parse, but if
                                                          I understand
                                                          the authors’
                                                          intended<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          meaning, they
                                                          are claiming
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs were
                                                          somehow taken
                                                          to a hotel for<br>
                                                          >    some
                                                          form of
                                                          improper
                                                          ex-parte
                                                          communication.
                                                          Further, they
                                                          appear to be
                                                          claiming that<br>
                                                          >    they
                                                          asked the
                                                          board to
                                                          investigate
                                                          this
                                                          allegation,
                                                          but the board
                                                          didn’t do so
                                                          and<br>
                                                          >    they
                                                          therefor have
                                                          no evidence to
                                                          support this
                                                          claim.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    There
                                                          is so much
                                                          wrong with
                                                          this that it
                                                          is difficult
                                                          to dignify it
                                                          with a
                                                          response,<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          nonetheless, I
                                                          will do so
                                                          here. First,
                                                          merely taking
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          to a hotel
                                                          hardly<br>
                                                          >    seems
                                                          like a
                                                          nefarious act.
                                                          I, myself have
                                                          been known to
                                                          enjoy a meal
                                                          or a drink or
                                                          two<br>
                                                          >    with
                                                          co-chairs of
                                                          various RIRs.
                                                          Surely the
                                                          co-chairs are
                                                          not denied a
                                                          social life
                                                          merely<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          because of
                                                          their
                                                          position.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    There
                                                          is no evidence
                                                          that any sort
                                                          of undue
                                                          influence was
                                                          exerted
                                                          through any
                                                          ex-parte<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          communication
                                                          that may have
                                                          occurred
                                                          during this
                                                          alleged outing
                                                          as indicated
                                                          by the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          authors’ own
                                                          words “The
                                                          board did not
                                                          act as nothing
                                                          was reported
                                                          back.”<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Paragraph 2 I
                                                          reviewed the
                                                          video
                                                          referenced.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I did
                                                          not see
                                                          evidence of
                                                          bias. I did
                                                          not see
                                                          evidence of
                                                          incapability
                                                          or
                                                          incompetence.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I saw
                                                          a good faith
                                                          effort to be
                                                          courteous and
                                                          collegial with
                                                          the authors of
                                                          two competing<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          policies and
                                                          an effort to
                                                          see if the
                                                          authors were
                                                          willing to
                                                          work together
                                                          to consolidate<br>
                                                          >    their
                                                          policies. I
                                                          saw a lack of
                                                          cooperation by
                                                          the both
                                                          policy authors
                                                          which the
                                                          chairs<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          attempted to
                                                          navigate.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I will
                                                          admit that the
                                                          chairs may
                                                          have pushed a
                                                          little harder
                                                          than I think
                                                          was
                                                          appropriate<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          towards
                                                          encouraging
                                                          the authors to
                                                          work together,
                                                          but that’s a
                                                          difficult
                                                          judgment call<br>
                                                          >    in the
                                                          circumstance
                                                          and it’s quite
                                                          clear that the
                                                          chairs stopped
                                                          well short of
                                                          the point<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          overcoming any
                                                          intransigence
                                                          by the
                                                          authors. As
                                                          such, I see no
                                                          harm to the
                                                          PDP in their<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          conduct.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    While
                                                          I don’t agree
                                                          with all of
                                                          the decisions
                                                          made by the
                                                          co-chairs,
                                                          especially the
                                                          AS0<br>
                                                          >    ROA
                                                          proposal, as I
                                                          stated on the
                                                          list at the
                                                          time, I
                                                          recognize the
                                                          legitimacy of
                                                          their<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          decision and
                                                          the fact that
                                                          people of good
                                                          conscience can
                                                          view the same
                                                          set of facts
                                                          and/or<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          same issues
                                                          differently.
                                                          The default
                                                          position
                                                          should be no
                                                          consensus. A
                                                          co-chair that<br>
                                                          >    is not
                                                          confident that
                                                          there is
                                                          strong
                                                          community
                                                          consensus for
                                                          a proposal
                                                          should
                                                          absolutely<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          declare
                                                          no-consensus
                                                          and that is
                                                          exactly what
                                                          happened here.
                                                          No consensus
                                                          is not fatal
                                                          or<br>
                                                          >    even
                                                          really harmful
                                                          to a proposal.
                                                          It just means
                                                          that the
                                                          authors need
                                                          to continue
                                                          their<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          efforts to
                                                          build
                                                          consensus
                                                          among the
                                                          community
                                                          either through
                                                          further
                                                          discussion on
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          mailing list
                                                          or by
                                                          modifying the
                                                          proposal to
                                                          address the
                                                          objections. In
                                                          some cases, it
                                                          may<br>
                                                          >    be
                                                          that a
                                                          proposal
                                                          simply isn’t
                                                          something the
                                                          community
                                                          wants. I don’t
                                                          think that
                                                          applies<br>
                                                          >    to AS0
                                                          ROAs, but in
                                                          such a case,
                                                          the rejection
                                                          of the
                                                          proposal is a
                                                          perfectly
                                                          valid outcome.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    I
                                                          believe the
                                                          failure of the
                                                          AfriNIC
                                                          community to
                                                          include a
                                                          mechanism for
                                                          the community
                                                          to<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          express that a
                                                          proposal
                                                          should not be
                                                          recycled or
                                                          further
                                                          discussed
                                                          because it is
                                                          simply<br>
                                                          >    not
                                                          wanted by the
                                                          community is
                                                          one of the
                                                          biggest
                                                          problems in
                                                          the AfriNIC
                                                          PDP. That
                                                          failure<br>
                                                          >    is the
                                                          main reason
                                                          that proposals
                                                          like Resource
                                                          Review plagued
                                                          the community
                                                          for so long.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          authors of
                                                          this so-called
                                                          recall
                                                          petition admit
                                                          that their
                                                          appeal of the
                                                          co-chairs<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          decision was
                                                          unsuccessful
                                                          because they
                                                          failed to file
                                                          a properly
                                                          formed appeal,
                                                          yet they<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          mention this
                                                          as if it is
                                                          somehow an
                                                          indictment of
                                                          the co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Time
                                                          spent
                                                          discussing
                                                          proposals is
                                                          not wasted,
                                                          even if the
                                                          proposals
                                                          aren’t
                                                          advanced.<br>
                                                          >    Such a
                                                          claim is
                                                          contrary to
                                                          the spirit and
                                                          intent of the
                                                          PDP and the
                                                          values of the
                                                          RIR<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          system. From
                                                          what I saw,
                                                          the major
                                                          obstacle to
                                                          the resolution
                                                          of objections
                                                          was more about<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          intransigence
                                                          of the authors
                                                          than anything
                                                          under the
                                                          control of the
                                                          co-chairs.<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Notably, the
                                                          group filing
                                                          this petition
                                                          contains many
                                                          of the most
                                                          intransigent
                                                          proposal<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          authors in the
                                                          region.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    While
                                                          I do not
                                                          believe it
                                                          appropriate
                                                          for co-chairs
                                                          to tell
                                                          someone to
                                                          “retire” or
                                                          “go away”,<br>
                                                          >    and as
                                                          such won’t
                                                          defend the
                                                          general tone
                                                          of either of
                                                          the messages
                                                          referenced, I
                                                          think they<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          stopped short
                                                          of such an
                                                          outright
                                                          suggestion as
                                                          the text in
                                                          the PDF would
                                                          indicate. I
                                                          also<br>
                                                          >    think
                                                          that the
                                                          repeated
                                                          attacks on the
                                                          co-chairs by a
                                                          vocal minority
                                                          including
                                                          (perhaps even<br>
                                                          >    led
                                                          by) the
                                                          so-called
                                                          “senior
                                                          members of the
                                                          community” in
                                                          question
                                                          leading up to
                                                          it makes the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          somewhat
                                                          visceral
                                                          response
                                                          understandable,
                                                          though still
                                                          not ideal.
                                                          Taking the
                                                          messages out
                                                          of<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          context is
                                                          disingenuous
                                                          at best.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Finding 2 is
                                                          utterly
                                                          specious. The
                                                          co-chairs are
                                                          gaining
                                                          experience
                                                          with the PDP
                                                          and WG<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          procedures and
                                                          I see no
                                                          evidence that
                                                          they’ve done
                                                          any worse
                                                          running the WG
                                                          than many of<br>
                                                          >    their
                                                          far less
                                                          controversial
                                                          predecessors.
                                                          If their
                                                          supposed “lack
                                                          of neutrality”
                                                          rises<br>
                                                          >    only
                                                          to the level
                                                          of “suspicion”
                                                          and you cannot
                                                          present actual
                                                          evidence or
                                                          even a solid<br>
                                                          >    claim
                                                          that it exists
                                                          in fact, then
                                                          that is hardly
                                                          a basis for
                                                          removal.
                                                          You’ve shown<br>
                                                          >    no
                                                          evidence that
                                                          bias exists
                                                          and therefor
                                                          no basis for
                                                          your claim
                                                          that said bias
                                                          impacted<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          meeting. I
                                                          fail to see
                                                          how the
                                                          concerns of
                                                          some or the
                                                          fears of
                                                          others are
                                                          relevant<br>
                                                          >    here.
                                                          We should be
                                                          seeking facts
                                                          and evidence
                                                          regarding any
                                                          suspected
                                                          wrongdoing,
                                                          not<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          concerns and
                                                          fears.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > C:    Was
                                                          there more
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          could have
                                                          done in the
                                                          time before
                                                          AfriNIC-32?
                                                          Almost<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          certainly yes.
                                                          OTOH, nearly
                                                          everyone has
                                                          dropped some
                                                          balls in one
                                                          way or another
                                                          during<br>
                                                          >    that
                                                          time. The
                                                          world was on
                                                          tilt most of
                                                          that time
                                                          period as a
                                                          result of a
                                                          virus which<br>
                                                          >    is
                                                          still running
                                                          rampant in
                                                          many parts of
                                                          the world.
                                                          Many of us
                                                          have lost
                                                          friends and/or<br>
                                                          >    loved
                                                          ones and
                                                          almost all of
                                                          us at least
                                                          know someone
                                                          who has lost a
                                                          friend or a
                                                          loved one.<br>
                                                          >    There
                                                          is nobody who
                                                          can say they
                                                          remain
                                                          untouched by
                                                          this current
                                                          circumstance
                                                          and to<br>
                                                          >    expect
                                                          perfect
                                                          execution of
                                                          even the most
                                                          experienced
                                                          and capable of
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          would be<br>
                                                          >    an
                                                          unreasonable
                                                          request under
                                                          the
                                                          circumstances.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          PDF authors
                                                          present no
                                                          evidence to
                                                          support their
                                                          claim that the
                                                          co-chairs had
                                                          selected<br>
                                                          >    a
                                                          particular
                                                          proposal to
                                                          push forward
                                                          and their
                                                          supposed
                                                          reference to
                                                          some form of
                                                          demonstration<br>
                                                          >    at
                                                          AfriNIC-31 is
                                                          without
                                                          foundation or
                                                          evidence.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Their
                                                          further claim
                                                          (1) that the
                                                          co-chairs did
                                                          nothing is
                                                          also presented
                                                          without
                                                          evidence.<br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          email cited is
                                                          a message from
                                                          Eddy
                                                          describing the
                                                          plan of
                                                          record. It
                                                          provides no
                                                          information<br>
                                                          >    about
                                                          any action or
                                                          inaction in
                                                          the preceding
                                                          process by the
                                                          co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (2) that staff
                                                          took the lead
                                                          ignores any
                                                          interactions
                                                          which may have
                                                          occurred<br>
                                                          >    off
                                                          list between
                                                          the co-chairs,
                                                          staff, and/or
                                                          the board
                                                          regarding
                                                          coordination
                                                          and<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          planning for
                                                          the
                                                          possibility of
                                                          a virtual
                                                          AfriNIC
                                                          meeting
                                                          possibly
                                                          including a
                                                          PDWG<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          meeting. The
                                                          larger
                                                          questions of
                                                          the AfriNIC
                                                          meeting were
                                                          out of scope
                                                          for the
                                                          co-chairs<br>
                                                          >    and
                                                          expecting them
                                                          to solve the
                                                          PDWG meeting
                                                          questions
                                                          prior to
                                                          obtaining
                                                          answers from<br>
                                                          >    staff
                                                          regarding the
                                                          questions
                                                          around the
                                                          larger meeting
                                                          (which are the
                                                          questions
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    refer
                                                          to when
                                                          claiming staff
                                                          took the lead)
                                                          is absurd.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Regarding
                                                          claim (3), the
                                                          incumbent
                                                          co-chair is
                                                          not
                                                          responsible
                                                          for the
                                                          behavior of
                                                          other<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          candidates and
                                                          any such
                                                          expectation
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chair would
                                                          perform
                                                          his/her duties
                                                          in a<br>
                                                          >    manner
                                                          more to the
                                                          liking of the
                                                          authors or
                                                          candidates in
                                                          question would
                                                          be
                                                          inappropriate<br>
                                                          >    in the
                                                          extreme. So
                                                          far, I have
                                                          seen little
                                                          evidence of
                                                          poor or
                                                          improper
                                                          performance of<br>
                                                          >    their
                                                          duties by the
                                                          co-chairs in
                                                          question.
                                                          Certainly
                                                          nothing that
                                                          rises to the
                                                          level of<br>
                                                          >    any
                                                          legitimacy for
                                                          an attempt to
                                                          remove them
                                                          from office.
                                                          Neither of the
                                                          emails cited<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          indicates any
                                                          sort of
                                                          expected
                                                          change in
                                                          behavior by
                                                          the co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (4) that the
                                                          decisions made
                                                          by the
                                                          co-chairs at
                                                          AfriNIC-32
                                                          were “all
                                                          rejected and<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          appealed” is
                                                          interesting to
                                                          note that all
                                                          of those
                                                          appeals were
                                                          submitted by a
                                                          single<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          proposal
                                                          author.
                                                          Further, since
                                                          the Appeals
                                                          committee has
                                                          given
                                                          themselves
                                                          until<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          February 18,
                                                          2021 to
                                                          conclude and
                                                          publish the
                                                          last appeal
                                                          result and has
                                                          not provided<br>
                                                          >    any
                                                          conclusions as
                                                          yet (In fact,
                                                          one of the
                                                          dates
                                                          suggested for
                                                          publication
                                                          was<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          December 22,
                                                          2021, but I
                                                          suspect that’s
                                                          a typo for
                                                          December 22,
                                                          2020), it’s
                                                          really<br>
                                                          >    hard
                                                          to know
                                                          whether these
                                                          appeals are
                                                          simply a
                                                          concerted
                                                          effort by a
                                                          vocal minority<br>
                                                          >    to
                                                          discredit the
                                                          co-chairs or
                                                          whether they
                                                          have actual
                                                          merit. As
                                                          such, using
                                                          this fact<br>
                                                          >    as a
                                                          basis for
                                                          removal of the
                                                          co-chairs is
                                                          premature at
                                                          best and
                                                          potentially
                                                          manipulative<br>
                                                          >    and
                                                          dishonest at
                                                          worst.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (5) is not
                                                          supported by
                                                          the email
                                                          referenced (or
                                                          authors need
                                                          to be more
                                                          specific<br>
                                                          >    about
                                                          where in the
                                                          email they see
                                                          evidence
                                                          supporting
                                                          their claim as
                                                          I do not see
                                                          it<br>
                                                          >    in
                                                          reviewing that
                                                          email). The
                                                          video shows a
                                                          co-chair
                                                          struggling a
                                                          bit with
                                                          language, but<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          overall
                                                          delivering a
                                                          concise and
                                                          well reasoned
                                                          description of
                                                          the situation
                                                          with each<br>
                                                          >    policy
                                                          and reasonable
                                                          determinations
                                                          of consensus
                                                          or not based
                                                          on the record
                                                          available.<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Disagreeing
                                                          with the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          judgment of
                                                          consensus
                                                          alone is not
                                                          justification
                                                          for a<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          recall. Each
                                                          issue that I
                                                          heard the
                                                          co-chair
                                                          mentioned was
                                                          an issue that
                                                          had been
                                                          brought<br>
                                                          >    up in
                                                          the discussion
                                                          either in
                                                          person or on
                                                          the mailing
                                                          list. Poor
                                                          memory on the
                                                          part of<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          PDF authors
                                                          should not be
                                                          grounds for
                                                          removal of a
                                                          co-chair.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (6) mostly
                                                          reiterates
                                                          claim (4) and
                                                          offers nothing
                                                          novel or
                                                          useful to the
                                                          record.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (7) does not
                                                          provide
                                                          sufficient
                                                          information
                                                          and should be
                                                          clarified by
                                                          the PDF
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    prior
                                                          to being
                                                          evaluated for
                                                          merit (or lack
                                                          there of).<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (8) is not
                                                          accurate. The
                                                          amendments
                                                          proposed by
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          had been
                                                          previously<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          requested by
                                                          multiple
                                                          members of the
                                                          community and
                                                          directly
                                                          addressed
                                                          objections
                                                          raised<br>
                                                          >    by the
                                                          community. The
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          asked the
                                                          proposal
                                                          authors if
                                                          they were
                                                          amenable to
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          amendments
                                                          requested in
                                                          order to
                                                          achieve
                                                          consensus and
                                                          authors
                                                          agreed. There
                                                          is little<br>
                                                          >    actual
                                                          and no
                                                          effective
                                                          difference
                                                          between this
                                                          and the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          determining<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          non-consensus
                                                          based on the
                                                          objections
                                                          rectified by
                                                          the amendments
                                                          followed by
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    making
                                                          the amendments
                                                          in question,
                                                          followed by a
                                                          determination
                                                          of consensus
                                                          (which is<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          entirely
                                                          within the
                                                          PDP). It is
                                                          interesting
                                                          that the
                                                          authors of
                                                          this
                                                          accusatory PDF<br>
                                                          >    argue
                                                          on one hand
                                                          that co-chairs
                                                          wasted time by
                                                          not moving
                                                          things forward
                                                          and then here<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          complain that
                                                          authors made
                                                          efficient use
                                                          of time by
                                                          getting author
                                                          consent for
                                                          amendments<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          requested by
                                                          the community
                                                          and declaring
                                                          consensus on
                                                          the proposal
                                                          with those
                                                          amendments.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (9) This
                                                          appears to be
                                                          a generally
                                                          factual claim,
                                                          but I’m not
                                                          sure how it is
                                                          relevant<br>
                                                          >    as a
                                                          claim of
                                                          malfeasance or
                                                          incompetence
                                                          on the part of
                                                          the co-chairs.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (10) lacks
                                                          foundation or
                                                          evidence. I’m
                                                          not sure how
                                                          "objections
                                                          forcing the
                                                          authors<br>
                                                          >    to
                                                          make a lot of
                                                          substantial
                                                          changes” is in
                                                          violation of
                                                          the PDP… It’s
                                                          my belief that
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >    PDP is
                                                          intended to
                                                          allow the
                                                          community to
                                                          insist upon
                                                          needed changes
                                                          in a proposal
                                                          throughout<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          process.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (11) also
                                                          lacks
                                                          foundation or
                                                          evidence. If
                                                          there is a
                                                          basis to a
                                                          claim that the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          so-called
                                                          editorial
                                                          changes were
                                                          not, in fact,
                                                          editorial in
                                                          nature, then
                                                          that basis<br>
                                                          >    should
                                                          be explained
                                                          in the
                                                          document and
                                                          supporting
                                                          evidence
                                                          should be
                                                          provided. The<br>
                                                          >    mere
                                                          filing of an
                                                          appeal (or
                                                          even two
                                                          appeals) is
                                                          proof of
                                                          nothing other
                                                          than the<br>
                                                          >    fact
                                                          that someone
                                                          didn’t like
                                                          the outcome.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    Claim
                                                          (12) It’s
                                                          unclear what
                                                          “submission”
                                                          to whom is
                                                          expected in
                                                          Claim (12),
                                                          nor do I see<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          anything in
                                                          the PDP that
                                                          requires the
                                                          co-chairs to
                                                          await the
                                                          decision of
                                                          the appeal<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          committee
                                                          prior to
                                                          defending
                                                          their
                                                          decisions to
                                                          the community.
                                                          One one hand,
                                                          PDF authors<br>
                                                          >    are
                                                          claiming that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          ignore
                                                          community
                                                          input and on
                                                          the other they
                                                          are now<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          complaining
                                                          that the
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          decided to
                                                          solicit
                                                          additional
                                                          community
                                                          feedback given<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          apparent
                                                          controversy
                                                          over their
                                                          decision. It’s
                                                          unclear to me
                                                          which
                                                          provisions of<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          PDP this is
                                                          alleged to
                                                          violate and
                                                          authors make
                                                          no citations
                                                          of the
                                                          relevant PDP<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          sections to
                                                          which they
                                                          vaguely refer
                                                          in the phrase
                                                          “more
                                                          violations of
                                                          the PDP”.<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Further,
                                                          co-chairs are
                                                          elected to
                                                          implement and
                                                          manage the
                                                          PDP. They are
                                                          not
                                                          responsible<br>
                                                          >    for
                                                          defending the
                                                          PDP (nor do I
                                                          believe that
                                                          the PDP is
                                                          under attack
                                                          except
                                                          possibly by<br>
                                                          >    the
                                                          proposal to
                                                          modify it
                                                          which did not
                                                          achieve
                                                          consensus). In
                                                          fact,
                                                          defending the<br>
                                                          >    PDP
                                                          against that
                                                          proposal would
                                                          be a violation
                                                          of the PDP in
                                                          my opinion, so
                                                          once again,<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          authors of the
                                                          PDF have
                                                          erred.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >   
                                                          Because
                                                          virtually the
                                                          entire basis
                                                          for Finding 3
                                                          is refuted
                                                          above, it is
                                                          also my
                                                          considered<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          opinion that
                                                          Finding 3 is
                                                          entirely
                                                          specious and
                                                          without merit.
                                                          There is no
                                                          evidence
                                                          presented<br>
                                                          >    that
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          violated the
                                                          PDP, nor is
                                                          there any
                                                          indication
                                                          that they made
                                                          “unilateral”<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          decisions
                                                          inconsistent
                                                          with the
                                                          record of
                                                          community
                                                          input. They
                                                          have not
                                                          demonstrated a
                                                          lack<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          fairness. The
                                                          question of
                                                          neutrality is
                                                          subjective at
                                                          best and
                                                          there’s no
                                                          clear evidence<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          bias
                                                          presented. The
                                                          policy
                                                          preferences
                                                          expressed by
                                                          the co-chairs
                                                          are consistent
                                                          with the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          community
                                                          feedback
                                                          received in
                                                          the record
                                                          overall and do
                                                          not provide
                                                          any clear
                                                          indication<br>
                                                          >    of
                                                          bias. Yes,
                                                          they are
                                                          contrary to
                                                          the opinions
                                                          of the PDF
                                                          authors, but
                                                          so is much of
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          feedback
                                                          received from
                                                          the community
                                                          on a variety
                                                          of issues.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >
                                                          Conclusion:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    The
                                                          vast majority
                                                          of the claims
                                                          made in this
                                                          document are
                                                          entirely
                                                          specious and
                                                          without<br>
                                                          >    merit.
                                                          I hope that
                                                          the board will
                                                          dismiss this
                                                          action as the
                                                          frivolous and
                                                          baseless<br>
                                                          >    attack
                                                          on the PDP
                                                          that it
                                                          represents and
                                                          I hope that we
                                                          can all move
                                                          forward on a
                                                          more<br>
                                                          >   
                                                          collegial
                                                          basis. I hope
                                                          that the PDF
                                                          authors will
                                                          stop using
                                                          Donald Trump
                                                          as a role
                                                          model<br>
                                                          >    and
                                                          recognize that
                                                          bullying is
                                                          ultimately a
                                                          losing
                                                          strategy.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > Owen<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          >    <br>
                                                          >> On
                                                          Nov 17, 2020,
                                                          at 1:54 PM,
                                                          Ekaterina
                                                          Kalugina <<a
href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >> <br>
                                                          >> Dear
                                                          community,<br>
                                                          >> <br>
                                                          >> It is
                                                          my firm belief
                                                          that the
                                                          current
                                                          request to
                                                          recall the
                                                          co-chairs is
                                                          not only
                                                          incredibly
                                                          unfounded,
                                                          biased and
                                                          generally done
                                                          in bad faith
                                                          but is, in
                                                          fact, in
                                                          violation of
                                                          some of the
                                                          basic values
                                                          AFRINIC stands
                                                          for.<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > [snip]<br>
                                                          > <br>
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