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    <p>I am glad to see the same and very repeating only argument
      against this Recall Request is that some (not all) of the authors
      are also authors of 'competing proposals' (as if the PDWG was a
      battle of proposals) and trying to make up as if this was
      something forbidden.<br>
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    <p>Everything that was done in both the Appeal and the Recall
      Request is done strictly in the line with what the CPM allows so
      there is nothing else others that are moaning about can do other
      than wait for the output.<br>
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    <p>Please leave with the Board to do its job. It's entirely up to
      them to consider if the justifications given make sense or not.<br>
      Fernando<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/11/2020 10:58, Ekaterina Kalugina
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Dear community,</div>
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        <div dir="auto">As Andrew pointed out: "Anyone may request the
          recall of a Working Group Chair at any time, upon written
          request with justification to the AFRINIC Board of
          Directors." </div>
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        <div dir="auto">The problem here is that there are no valid
          justifications to support the present recall request. As many
          of the members including myself already pointed out, this
          recall request is unjustified as it is not based on objective
          facts. Rather, this request is largely unfounded and supported
          by biased arguments and bitter emotional accusations. No
          tangible evidence has been presented to support the case.
          There is also a serious conflict of interest as some of the
          signatories happen to be authors of a competing transfer
          proposal, while others were denied the position of a chair in
          the previous elections. </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">This request is also generally done in bad
          faith. It's text refers to a number of appeals to justify its
          legitimacy. Yet, these appeals were all launched by the very
          same people who signed this recall request. In my view, this
          is an unfair move that seeks to bend the PDP to the agendas of
          a few. Such behavior undermines the legitimacy of the whole
          process and should not be tolerated. Thus, I contend that this
          recall request lacks enough justifications to be considered
          legitimate.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Ekaterina </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, 11:23
          lucilla fornaro <<a
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            moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
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              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear Community,</div>
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              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Many pointed out the Board
                now needs to appoint an impartial recall committee, and
                that’s what I hope.</div>
              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">From my perspective, the
                recall lacks objective, accurate, and impartial
                evidence, and it seems to be the consequence of
                resentment and disappointment.</div>
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              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">"Conclusions" reports a
                clear example of what I am talking about:</div>
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              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">“The co-chairs continue to
                ignore the numerous calls to them to take the proposal
                back for further discussions." </div>
              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">This is exactly the opposite
                of what happened! Co-chairs after a member’s request
                extended the last call to allow further discussions.
                This is a fact, and I cannot understand how it is
                possible to misrepresent it. To me, this is bad faith,
                and I see no reason for this recall to exist. It is just
                the last of several attempts to intimidate the community
                and co-chairs.</div>
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              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards,</div>
              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
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              <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Lucilla </div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 19 nov 2020
              alle ore 22:48 Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <<a
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                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng</a>>
              ha scritto:<br>
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                  an objective way forward for me, and yes of course <i><font
                      color="#0b5394">with the exclusion of the
                      co-chairs and complainants</font></i> as earlier
                  clarified. The main hassle now is getting neutral
                  parties that will serve in the Recall Committee devoid
                  of any bias and intimidation to finally bring this
                  issue to a close.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 19, 2020
                  at 2:00 PM Andrew Alston <<a
                    href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Up until
                          now, I’ve stayed pretty silent on this,
                          because quite frankly – I have no issues with
                          the chairs and if they stay or go makes very
                          little difference in my life.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That being
                          said – the one thing I do care about is the
                          process.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So – let’s
                          look at that.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section
                          3.5 of the consolidated policy manual states:</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:Symbol">·</span>  Anyone
                        may request the recall of a Working Group Chair
                        at any time, upon written request with
                        justification to the AFRINIC Board of Directors.
                        The request must be supported by at least five
                        (5) other persons from the Working Group. The
                        AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a
                        recall committee, excluding the persons
                        requesting the recall and the Working Group
                        Chairs. The recall committee shall investigate
                        the circumstances of the justification for the
                        recall and determine the outcome.</p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So – it is
                          at the discretion of those who requested the
                          recall to do so – that much is clear – if we
                          don’t like that – change the PDP.  The board
                          however, is now obligated under the PDP to
                          appoint a recall committee, as per the above
                          point, that includes the working group chairs
                          and the complainants, and that committee then
                          reviews, deliberates and delivers a verdict. 
                          My reading of that is that the committee
                          appointed shall be appointed from the
                          community – though that may well be a
                          subjective reading of the text. I would hope
                          that the board would endeavor to appoint
                          individuals entirely divorced from this mess
                          on the list who can be objective and impartial
                          in their review of the available evidence and
                          then render a verdict based on hard fact and
                          evidence.  But whichever way this happens – we
                          have a policy process – and while we may or
                          may not like the outcomes of the policy
                          process – the process is sacrosanct and must
                          be observed and followed, and if we don’t like
                          what the process says – the PDP process
                           allows for us, as members of the PDP, to
                          change that process through the rough
                          consensus process.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
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                                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                              lang="EN-US"> <a
                                href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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                              <<a href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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                              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 November 2020
                              11:04<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Gaby Giner <<a
                                href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>;
                              rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a
                                href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] REQUEST TO
                              RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS</span></p>
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                            On 19 Nov 2020, at 07:23, Gaby Giner <<a
                              href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
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                                  <span lang="FR">Everyone,</span></p>
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                                  <b><span lang="FR"> </span></b></p>
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                                  Most of the arguments advanced are
                                  irrelevant and completely out of the
                                  context of the nature of the demand to
                                  recall the co-chairs. Therefore, it
                                  would make the whole request null and
                                  invalid.</p>
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                                  <b>Part A:</b></p>
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                                  This part does not have any violations
                                  or dishonest acts done by any of the
                                  co-chairs. They have had no influence
                                  whatsoever on neither the meeting
                                  participants nor their reaction (which
                                  I don't see the relevance here
                                  anyway). This looks like a normal
                                  election process to me, not only in
                                  this particular field but for
                                  everything and everywhere else in the
                                  world. Stating otherwise is either
                                  naïve or just clueless. Also, protests
                                  from a losing party look like a normal
                                  reaction to me in an election, some
                                  more sore than others as evidenced by
                                  recent presidential elections in the
                                  US, but I digress. All of the points
                                  made in this part are wholly
                                  immaterial and should be dismissed.</p>
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                                  <b>Part B :</b></p>
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                                  1.)</p>
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                                  I noticed you keep basing your
                                  arguments on "it was observed",
                                  "Observed by a participant" and
                                  "Following the suspicions". Serious
                                  accusations should be based on actual
                                  proof and precise arguments: not
                                  guesses, suspicions, and some
                                  anonymous witnesses and vague
                                  insinuations. Anyone can come up with
                                  scenarios if they are unfounded and
                                  unproven, especially if they are about
                                  events that have occurred a very long
                                  time ago but were not reported at the
                                  exact time. What makes it the best
                                  moment now? And why didn't you ask to
                                  recall the co-chairs back then if you
                                  had all the necessary proof? This
                                  makes absolutely no sense because if
                                  your intentions are as honest as you
                                  claim they are, this should have been
                                  handled a while ago and not right
                                  after the same community reelected one
                                  of the same co-chairs.</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  Nevertheless, this is a blatant
                                  interference in two people's personal
                                  life. I hope this behavior won't start
                                  encouraging individuals to begin
                                  following co-chairs to hotels and
                                  anywhere else outside the PPM
                                  conference room. We are talking about
                                  two people who were brave enough to
                                  volunteer to do a job that starts and
                                  ends inside the PPM room and in the
                                  mailing list. Whatever else they do in
                                  their private time shouldn't be of
                                  anyone's concern and has nothing to do
                                  with their work integrity.</p>
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                                  2.)</p>
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                                  There isn't anything wrong with the
                                  video, and nothing you have stated
                                  appears to exist. I think you are the
                                  one that interpreted the meeting in a
                                  biased way. The co-chairs simply gave
                                  recommendations that they think favor
                                  the community and are related to
                                  managing the PDP, which is totally in
                                  their scope. As long as it's not
                                  enforced, then no harm is intended nor
                                  done.
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                                  3.)</p>
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                                  The rpd list in an open space where
                                  individuals are free to respond,
                                  converse, and argue. As long as no
                                  offense or attacks are intended, the
                                  freedom to defend oneself should not
                                  be censored just because "seniors" as
                                  you call it, are involved.
                                  Particularly when we all know that
                                  there has been a serious history of
                                  bullying and unfounded accusations on
                                  the list. I'm starting to feel weary
                                  of this back-and-forth on this matter,
                                  but nevertheless it is still worth
                                  reiterating—the RPD list is a fair
                                  space where all individuals are equal,
                                  and everyone's input is welcome. So
                                  your personal feelings should not
                                  interfere in your judgment on the work
                                  and integrity of the co-chairs, nor in
                                  your request to recall them.</p>
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                                  <b>Part C :</b></p>
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                                  As far as I know, the community
                                  handled both the online meeting and
                                  election process matters. It is not
                                  the co-chair's duty to handle this
                                  sort of thing but rather the community
                                  members by vote. They only had to
                                  manage the discussions and take into
                                  consideration the opinions, which they
                                  correctly did. Therefore, section (1)
                                  is utterly wrong.</p>
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                                  For the rest, let me summarize it like
                                  this :</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  All of this seems very suspicious and
                                  makes me think that there is some
                                  personal motive or agenda behind this
                                  request. If the community was
                                  discontented with the current
                                  co-chairs, it could have easily
                                  prevented Abdul Kareem to be reelected
                                  again, which was not the case. </p>
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                                  <b><i>"The co-chairs continue to
                                      ignore the numerous calls to them
                                      to take the proposal back for
                                      further discussions."</i></b> This
                                  is absolutely not true, and it can
                                  easily be proven if you just take the
                                  time to go back to the previous thread
                                  about the policy, extending its last
                                  call, and calling for additional
                                  comments. The co-chairs have gone back
                                  and forth to satisfy the community's
                                  concerns and have extended the
                                  policy's discussion time. So did the
                                  authors who have managed to resolve
                                  every issue and improve the policy,
                                  but lately no one seemed to have any
                                  new or further objections. Logically
                                  this would convince the co-chairs to
                                  finally give the go signal for the
                                  proposal because it can't be stuck
                                  forever with the same people who were
                                  raising concerns being suddenly quiet.
                                  There is no logic at all, and the
                                  procedure was followed according to
                                  protocol. Therefore, the argument is
                                  not valid.</p>
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                                   </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  Saying that the co-chairs violated the
                                  PDP by suggesting amendments to
                                  proposals is no violation in itself
                                  because the CPM never mentioned
                                  explicitly that they are not allowed
                                  to do so. The co-chairs again are
                                  within their scope.</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  The WG is managed by the CPM, which is
                                  very clear about the PDP. You have
                                  mentioned several times arguments
                                  about violations of the PDP etcetera
                                  without stating what and where it
                                  contradicts what the CPM says. Unless
                                  you do that, I don't see the validity
                                  of all the related arguments. You
                                  can't judge what a violation is based
                                  on whether it aligns with your
                                  personal agenda or not. There are
                                  rules and instructions that have been
                                  created to be followed and not
                                  subjectively interpreted.</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  Finally, I totally understand your
                                  discontentment with the whole
                                  situation since the transfer policies
                                  were in a tough competition and since
                                  you are the authors of the other
                                  proposal. You can be unsatisfied for
                                  as long as you can, but let me say
                                  that it is no valid excuse or
                                  justification to make an unfounded
                                  request to recall the co-chairs whose
                                  sole job is to manage the PDP. Not
                                  only the arguments are invalid and
                                  biased, but there is no actual proof
                                  to support the claims and accusations,
                                  so I urge the board to look into this
                                  urgently and dismiss it. Otherwise,
                                  the PDP and the AFRINIC community will
                                  no longer be the same, which will be a
                                  shame.</p>
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                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Just
                          to comment here in between. I don’t think the
                          main cause here is “discontentment” but rather
                          how this proposal was conducted including last
                          minute changes.</span></p>
                      <p
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                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>IMHO
                          and someone has mentioned here on this tread
                          “collaborative work between all the authors” -
                          well I would definitely agree that this is
                          something that makes a community a better
                          place. </span></p>
                      <p
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                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
                          only concern with this proposal and all the
                          changes made it on the last call is that the
                          changes were made at wrong stage of the
                          process. </span></p>
                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>Last
                          but not least, remember the discussion between
                          Cohen and Ronald here couple of weeks ago?
                          Well same discussion is running again on the
                          NANOG mailinglist. And the main concern here
                          is: </span></p>
                      <p
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                      <p
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                        <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                              New Roman"">      
                            </span></span></span><span>Where we
                          conservative enough when all those resources
                          were sold? </span></p>
                      <p
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                        <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                              New Roman"">      
                            </span></span></span><span>Are we even
                          seeing this resources back anytime soon? Maybe
                          not.... maybe never...</span></p>
                      <p
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                        <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                              New Roman"">      
                            </span></span></span><span>Not to mention
                          how many African startups or unborn ISP(s)
                          will have to fight for v4 addresses when those
                          are not anymore available at Afrinic... We all
                          know where they will have to go to......</span></p>
                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>I
                          could go even further but I will stop here by
                          saying - What happened in the past can happen
                          again and only time will tell how good or bad
                          this proposal is FOR US. </span></p>
                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:20.3px"> </p>
                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>As
                          community we need to protect AFRINIC interests
                          instead of individuals benefits.... </span></p>
                      <p
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                      <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36pt;font-stretch:normal"><span>My
                          2cts.</span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                        Gaby</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt">Darwin-.</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:36pt">On Thu,
                                      Nov 19, 2020 at 11:51 AM lucilla
                                      fornaro <<a
                                        href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:</p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">Dear
                                            Community,</p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">I
                                            believe that the multiple
                                            accusations towards
                                            Co-Chairs, and of course,
                                            the current request to
                                            recall is suspicious,
                                            unfair, and in bad faith. </p>
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                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">The
                                            recall seems to be a sort of
                                            intimidatory attempt of
                                            revenge for the mere fact
                                            that their proposals did not
                                            reach consensus.</p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">I
                                            was not a member of Afrinic
                                            when Co-chairs were elected,
                                            but based on what is written
                                            on the recall, I cannot
                                            understand how Co-chairs are
                                            to be considered responsible
                                            for previous Co-chairs'
                                            resignation. </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">According
                                            to paragraph 1, I understand
                                            authors’ are suggesting an
                                            ex-parte communication, once
                                            again without documentation.
                                            The point is, every single
                                            human behavior might be
                                            misunderstood, that is why
                                            without shreds of evidence,
                                            these kinds of accusations
                                            should not even be
                                            mentioned. </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">I
                                            feel the recall is more
                                            personal than based on
                                            facts. The recall's main
                                            supporters are those authors
                                            that have seen their
                                            proposals rejected, as well
                                            as someone who has lost
                                            elections to the current
                                            Co-chairs.  </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">The
                                            recall is a mere list of
                                            accusations of presumable
                                            and never confirmed
                                            violations perpetrated by
                                            Co-chairs since the
                                            beginning of their office.
                                            Without evidence or a clear
                                            and specific reference to
                                            the CPM, indictments are
                                            inappropriate and
                                            meaningless. </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">Another
                                            sign of the resentment and
                                            hostility comes not only
                                            from the recall but also
                                            from the previous
                                            discussions where it was
                                            clear that the main goal was
                                            to silence some other
                                            members of the community to
                                            make sure their proposals
                                            had no objections. The anger
                                            is clear from the way the
                                            recall is written and the
                                            manipulative language used.
                                            Again, the unfounded
                                            accusations of usurpation
                                            and corruption are
                                            unacceptable. Authors
                                            accused co-chairs when, in
                                            reality, and according to
                                            their admission, they failed
                                            to file a properly formed
                                            appeal. This is a very
                                            controversial behavior that
                                            nothing has to do with
                                            Afrinic and its
                                            development. </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">To
                                            me, these are all relevant
                                            elements the Board needs to
                                            consider.</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">Regards,</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">Lucilla</p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">Il
                                          giorno mer 18 nov 2020 alle
                                          ore 23:03 Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
                                          ha scritto:</p>
                                      </div>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:36pt">Dear
                                            Community; Dear All, <br>
                                            <br>
                                            After an in-depth review of
                                            this current request to
                                            recall the Afrinic PDWG
                                            co-chairs, I have come to
                                            the conclusion that this
                                            request is not only biased,
                                            it is filled with
                                            accusations, personal
                                            reasons especially with
                                            regards to the event of
                                            things of the past month
                                            during the last call,
                                            attaining consensus and the
                                            difficulty in the
                                            ratification and
                                            implementation of the
                                            specific policies due to its
                                            conflict with other policies
                                            of similar nature.
                                            Additionally, this request
                                            has no significant proof as
                                            well as justification. <br>
                                            <br>
                                            Initially, during the policy
                                            decision process and the
                                            last call period, the
                                            co-chairs performed their
                                            duties as the
                                            representatives of the PDWG,
                                            gave every member of the
                                            working groups to make their
                                            inputs and express their
                                            opinions whether in support
                                            or against the policy in
                                            discussion at the time.
                                            Likewise, these opinions,
                                            inputs and concerns
                                            expressed by the WG were
                                            been put into consideration
                                            to make the best decision
                                            that works best for the
                                            AFRINIC RIR and focus on the
                                            development and evolution of
                                            the internet in the African
                                            region. <br>
                                            <br>
                                            Additionally, during the
                                            AFRINIC Virtual PPM, the
                                            idea that the co-chairs made
                                            no effort to make sure that
                                            the WG understood the Pros
                                            and Cons of the policy is
                                            outrightly accusation with
                                            no profound justification or
                                            proof. As I can recall,
                                            during the commencement of
                                            the AFRINIC Virtual PPM, the
                                            co-chairs not only described
                                            the each policy up for the
                                            discussion but they also
                                            pointed out the pros and
                                            cons of each policy and as
                                            well, gave the authors of
                                            the policies the opportunity
                                            to elaborately speak on the
                                            significance, importance and
                                            value of their policies, and
                                            how it fits with the grand
                                            goal of the RIR which is the
                                            development of the internet
                                            in the region, which the
                                            participants/WG whom
                                            participated in the virtual
                                            PPM expressed their
                                            concerns, opinions and
                                            objections.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Finally, in addition to the
                                            fact that this request is
                                            compounded with emotional
                                            statements, lack of concrete
                                            evidence and biases; with
                                            the person behind this
                                            request as well as the
                                            listed signatories of this
                                            request, i can firmly adhere
                                            to the ideology that this
                                            request was specifically
                                            made out of emotional
                                            sentiments and
                                            self-indulgent feeling of
                                            sadness due to the
                                            result/outcome and the
                                            rightful procedures taken of
                                            the well-debated ‘Inter-RIR
                                            Policy Proposal’ which had
                                            three conflicting
                                            proposals. <br>
                                            <br>
                                            Best regards, <br>
                                            Elvis</p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                            <div>
                                              <blockquote
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                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">On
                                                    Nov 18, 2020, at
                                                    21:04, Wijdane Goubi
                                                    <<a
                                                      href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">goubi.wijdane@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    wrote:</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span
                                                        style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"> </span></p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                          New
                                                          Roman",serif"
                                                          lang="EN-US">Dear
                                                          community,</span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"
                                                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">I
                                                        have read the
                                                        recall document
                                                        and have found
                                                        it based on very
                                                        subjective and
                                                        personal
                                                        reasons, which
                                                        makes sense in a
                                                        way because of
                                                        how the last
                                                        policy that has
                                                        reached
                                                        consensus, was
                                                        in a constant
                                                        competition with
                                                        other related
                                                        proposals.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">First
                                                        of all, as far
                                                        as I can
                                                        remember, the
                                                        co-chairs have
                                                        always asked the
                                                        community to
                                                        give decent
                                                        explanations of
                                                        what raises
                                                        their concerns,
                                                        but instead,
                                                        there were
                                                        constant
                                                        personal
                                                        attacks,
                                                        unrelated
                                                        subjects and
                                                        arguments and no
                                                        more unaddressed
                                                        concerns.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">Dragging
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        and accusing
                                                        them of some
                                                        serious
                                                        accusations just
                                                        because one
                                                        proposal reached
                                                        consensus and
                                                        others did not,
                                                        proves again
                                                        that this recall
                                                        is based on
                                                        personal guesses
                                                        and speculations
                                                        with no <span
                                                          style="color:rgb(44,45,48)">discrete</span>,
                                                        distinguished
                                                        and notable
                                                        reasons.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">Our
                                                        community seems
                                                        not to be, sadly
                                                        enough, a
                                                        stress-free
                                                        working
                                                        environment. The
                                                        co-chairs always
                                                        have to deal
                                                        with targets set
                                                        by the
                                                        community, and <strong><span
style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">these targets are often
                                                          hard to
                                                          achieve,</span></strong> which
                                                        creates a lot of
                                                        pressure on
                                                        them.
                                                      </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">I
                                                        substantially
                                                        believe that the
                                                        co-chairs are
                                                        not taking a
                                                        side and are
                                                        perfectly
                                                        respecting one
                                                        of the most
                                                        important values
                                                        in the CPM which
                                                        is fairness.
                                                        They care enough
                                                        to assess their
                                                        performance by
                                                        respecting the
                                                        CPM, Not taking
                                                        sides but
                                                        actually
                                                        discussing each
                                                        policy on its
                                                        own and most
                                                        importantly
                                                        giving enough
                                                        time to solve
                                                        the community’s
                                                        concerns.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:36pt;line-height:115%">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">I
                                                        strongly believe
                                                        that what we do
                                                        need more is to
                                                        be objective in
                                                        the way we judge
                                                        things, and
                                                        actually stop
                                                        having unfair
                                                        opinions in
                                                        order to have
                                                        more clarity,
                                                        lack of bias,
                                                        and often
                                                        transparent
                                                        obviousness of
                                                        the truth.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:36pt;line-height:115%">
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times
                                                        New
                                                        Roman",serif"
                                                        lang="EN-US">Cheers,</span></p>
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                                                       </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt">Le mer. 18 nov. 2020 à 10:03, Taiwo Oyewande
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        a écrit :</p>
                                                    </div>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36pt"><br>
                                                        I will like to
                                                        believe that the
                                                        recall request
                                                        sent to the
                                                        board is to
                                                        permit a form of
                                                        election for the
                                                        community to
                                                        either vote to
                                                        remove or retain
                                                        the serving co
                                                        chairs. As the
                                                        board didn’t
                                                        vote/ appoint
                                                        the cochairs
                                                        therefore, they
                                                        have no powers
                                                        to remove them.
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        This recall
                                                        seems like an
                                                        attempt to
                                                        hijack the
                                                        community
                                                        through the back
                                                        door. I can see
                                                        that the
                                                        petition was
                                                        signed  by
                                                        <br>
                                                        1.  one person
                                                        who lost
                                                        elections in
                                                        Kampala to the
                                                        current
                                                        Co-chairs, <br>
                                                        2. authors of
                                                        competing
                                                        proposal with
                                                        our Inter RIR
                                                        policy,<br>
                                                        3. a member
                                                        whose right was
                                                        suspended after
                                                        he violated  the
                                                        CoC. <br>
                                                        4. A member who
                                                        shamefully made
                                                        frivolous
                                                        allegation in
                                                        Uganda  using a
                                                        fake profile
                                                        among others.
                                                        <br>
                                                        This list of
                                                        petitioners
                                                        makes me wonder
                                                        if this is a
                                                        personal
                                                        vendetta. <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        The petition to
                                                        me borders
                                                        around the co
                                                        chairs using
                                                        initiative to
                                                        take decisions.
                                                        It seems that
                                                        some party “the
                                                        power brokers”
                                                        are aggrieved
                                                        that they are
                                                        not been
                                                        consulted before
                                                        the co chairs
                                                        make decisions
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Another funny
                                                        allegation is
                                                        that the co
                                                        chairs wasted
                                                        the time of the
                                                        community by not
                                                        passing policies
                                                        in Angola - this
                                                        is a misleading
                                                        argument as
                                                        discussing
                                                        policies to
                                                        improve them is
                                                        never a waste of
                                                        time.
                                                        Unfortunately
                                                        when they
                                                        decided to make
                                                        sure that
                                                        polices are
                                                        resolved during
                                                        the last PPM.
                                                        The exact same
                                                        people
                                                        complained. <br>
                                                        I guess the
                                                        co-chairs can
                                                        never do right
                                                        in their sight.
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Finally, as one
                                                        of the authors
                                                        of the competing
                                                        proposals in
                                                        Angola. I will
                                                        like to clearly
                                                        state that the
                                                        co-chairs sent
                                                        all authors of
                                                        competing policy
                                                        proposals to try
                                                        and consolidate
                                                        the policies. My
                                                        co-author and i
                                                        had several
                                                        meeting with
                                                        Jordi but the
                                                        authors of the
                                                        third proposal
                                                        totally refused
                                                        the offer to
                                                        join heads to
                                                        produce one
                                                        proposal. This
                                                        now makes me
                                                        wonder how they
                                                        derived the
                                                        claim that the
                                                        co-chairs tried
                                                        to force the
                                                        consolidation
                                                        when they where
                                                        not even
                                                        present.
                                                        <br>
                                                        I will like to
                                                        clearly state
                                                        that the
                                                        co-chairs did
                                                        not interfere in
                                                        our meetings.
                                                        Hence the call
                                                        on stage in
                                                        Angola to find
                                                        out our resolve
                                                        from the said
                                                        meeting.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        My input.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Kind regards. <br>
                                                        Taiwo<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        > On 18 Nov
                                                        2020, at 07:31,
                                                        Owen DeLong <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > Speaking
                                                        strictly as
                                                        myself, not
                                                        representing any
                                                        organization or
                                                        company:<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > I couldn’t
                                                        agree more. This
                                                        recall petition
                                                        is entirely
                                                        specious and
                                                        without merit.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > As to the
                                                        supposed reasons
                                                        and evidence
                                                        supporting the
                                                        removal of the
                                                        co-chairs, the
                                                        following
                                                        problems exist
                                                        with the PDF
                                                        provided to the
                                                        community (this
                                                        may not be a
                                                        comprehensive
                                                        list, but it
                                                        certainly covers
                                                        enough to
                                                        indicate that
                                                        the PDF is not a
                                                        basis for
                                                        removal of the
                                                        co-chairs):<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > A:    There
                                                        is nothing
                                                        prohibiting the
                                                        recruitment of
                                                        people to
                                                        participate in
                                                        AfriNIC, in fact<br>
                                                        >    it is
                                                        encouraged.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    I fail
                                                        to understand
                                                        what bearing the
                                                        resignation of
                                                        the co-chair and
                                                        failure to elect
                                                        a<br>
                                                        >    co-chair
                                                        in Dakar has on
                                                        the legitimacy
                                                        of the current
                                                        chairs. Indeed,
                                                        the supposed<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        controversial
                                                        election refers
                                                        to Kampala which
                                                        really only
                                                        applies to one
                                                        of the two<br>
                                                        >    current
                                                        serving
                                                        co-chairs as the
                                                        other was
                                                        recently
                                                        re-elected in
                                                        the AfriNIC
                                                        virtual<br>
                                                        >    meeting.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    While I
                                                        agree that
                                                        singing a
                                                        national anthem
                                                        of one of the
                                                        co-chairs in
                                                        celebration of<br>
                                                        >    the
                                                        election result
                                                        is a bit
                                                        uncouth, I see
                                                        no relevance
                                                        here. It
                                                        occurred after
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >    election
                                                        was over and
                                                        therefore could
                                                        not have altered
                                                        the outcome of
                                                        the election.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    The
                                                        “protests” were
                                                        the sour grapes
                                                        of a small (but
                                                        vocal) minority
                                                        of the
                                                        community.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    As to
                                                        “Finding 1”,
                                                        this is outside
                                                        of the control
                                                        of the co-chairs
                                                        that were
                                                        elected<br>
                                                        >    in
                                                        Kampala and thus
                                                        has no bearing
                                                        on the
                                                        discussion here.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    As such,
                                                        I submit that
                                                        section A is
                                                        wholly without
                                                        merit and is a
                                                        blatant attempt
                                                        to<br>
                                                        >    malign
                                                        the current
                                                        co-chairs
                                                        without
                                                        substance.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > B:   
                                                        Paragraph 1 is
                                                        nearly
                                                        impossible to
                                                        parse, but if I
                                                        understand the
                                                        authors’
                                                        intended<br>
                                                        >    meaning,
                                                        they are
                                                        claiming that
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        were somehow
                                                        taken to a hotel
                                                        for<br>
                                                        >    some
                                                        form of improper
                                                        ex-parte
                                                        communication.
                                                        Further, they
                                                        appear to be
                                                        claiming that<br>
                                                        >    they
                                                        asked the board
                                                        to investigate
                                                        this allegation,
                                                        but the board
                                                        didn’t do so and<br>
                                                        >    they
                                                        therefor have no
                                                        evidence to
                                                        support this
                                                        claim.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    There is
                                                        so much wrong
                                                        with this that
                                                        it is difficult
                                                        to dignify it
                                                        with a response,<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        nonetheless, I
                                                        will do so here.
                                                        First, merely
                                                        taking the
                                                        co-chairs to a
                                                        hotel hardly<br>
                                                        >    seems
                                                        like a nefarious
                                                        act. I, myself
                                                        have been known
                                                        to enjoy a meal
                                                        or a drink or
                                                        two<br>
                                                        >    with
                                                        co-chairs of
                                                        various RIRs.
                                                        Surely the
                                                        co-chairs are
                                                        not denied a
                                                        social life
                                                        merely<br>
                                                        >    because
                                                        of their
                                                        position.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    There is
                                                        no evidence that
                                                        any sort of
                                                        undue influence
                                                        was exerted
                                                        through any
                                                        ex-parte<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        communication
                                                        that may have
                                                        occurred during
                                                        this alleged
                                                        outing as
                                                        indicated by the<br>
                                                        >    authors’
                                                        own words “The
                                                        board did not
                                                        act as nothing
                                                        was reported
                                                        back.”<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >   
                                                        Paragraph 2 I
                                                        reviewed the
                                                        video
                                                        referenced.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    I did
                                                        not see evidence
                                                        of bias. I did
                                                        not see evidence
                                                        of incapability
                                                        or incompetence.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    I saw a
                                                        good faith
                                                        effort to be
                                                        courteous and
                                                        collegial with
                                                        the authors of
                                                        two competing<br>
                                                        >    policies
                                                        and an effort to
                                                        see if the
                                                        authors were
                                                        willing to work
                                                        together to
                                                        consolidate<br>
                                                        >    their
                                                        policies. I saw
                                                        a lack of
                                                        cooperation by
                                                        the both policy
                                                        authors which
                                                        the chairs<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        attempted to
                                                        navigate.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    I will
                                                        admit that the
                                                        chairs may have
                                                        pushed a little
                                                        harder than I
                                                        think was
                                                        appropriate<br>
                                                        >    towards
                                                        encouraging the
                                                        authors to work
                                                        together, but
                                                        that’s a
                                                        difficult
                                                        judgment call<br>
                                                        >    in the
                                                        circumstance and
                                                        it’s quite clear
                                                        that the chairs
                                                        stopped well
                                                        short of the
                                                        point<br>
                                                        >    of
                                                        overcoming any
                                                        intransigence by
                                                        the authors. As
                                                        such, I see no
                                                        harm to the PDP
                                                        in their<br>
                                                        >    conduct.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    While I
                                                        don’t agree with
                                                        all of the
                                                        decisions made
                                                        by the
                                                        co-chairs,
                                                        especially the
                                                        AS0<br>
                                                        >    ROA
                                                        proposal, as I
                                                        stated on the
                                                        list at the
                                                        time, I
                                                        recognize the
                                                        legitimacy of
                                                        their<br>
                                                        >    decision
                                                        and the fact
                                                        that people of
                                                        good conscience
                                                        can view the
                                                        same set of
                                                        facts and/or<br>
                                                        >    the same
                                                        issues
                                                        differently. The
                                                        default position
                                                        should be no
                                                        consensus. A
                                                        co-chair that<br>
                                                        >    is not
                                                        confident that
                                                        there is strong
                                                        community
                                                        consensus for a
                                                        proposal should
                                                        absolutely<br>
                                                        >    declare
                                                        no-consensus and
                                                        that is exactly
                                                        what happened
                                                        here. No
                                                        consensus is not
                                                        fatal or<br>
                                                        >    even
                                                        really harmful
                                                        to a proposal.
                                                        It just means
                                                        that the authors
                                                        need to continue
                                                        their<br>
                                                        >    efforts
                                                        to build
                                                        consensus among
                                                        the community
                                                        either through
                                                        further
                                                        discussion on
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >    mailing
                                                        list or by
                                                        modifying the
                                                        proposal to
                                                        address the
                                                        objections. In
                                                        some cases, it
                                                        may<br>
                                                        >    be that
                                                        a proposal
                                                        simply isn’t
                                                        something the
                                                        community wants.
                                                        I don’t think
                                                        that applies<br>
                                                        >    to AS0
                                                        ROAs, but in
                                                        such a case, the
                                                        rejection of the
                                                        proposal is a
                                                        perfectly valid
                                                        outcome.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    I
                                                        believe the
                                                        failure of the
                                                        AfriNIC
                                                        community to
                                                        include a
                                                        mechanism for
                                                        the community to<br>
                                                        >    express
                                                        that a proposal
                                                        should not be
                                                        recycled or
                                                        further
                                                        discussed
                                                        because it is
                                                        simply<br>
                                                        >    not
                                                        wanted by the
                                                        community is one
                                                        of the biggest
                                                        problems in the
                                                        AfriNIC PDP.
                                                        That failure<br>
                                                        >    is the
                                                        main reason that
                                                        proposals like
                                                        Resource Review
                                                        plagued the
                                                        community for so
                                                        long.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    The
                                                        authors of this
                                                        so-called recall
                                                        petition admit
                                                        that their
                                                        appeal of the
                                                        co-chairs<br>
                                                        >    decision
                                                        was unsuccessful
                                                        because they
                                                        failed to file a
                                                        properly formed
                                                        appeal, yet they<br>
                                                        >    mention
                                                        this as if it is
                                                        somehow an
                                                        indictment of
                                                        the co-chairs.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Time
                                                        spent discussing
                                                        proposals is not
                                                        wasted, even if
                                                        the proposals
                                                        aren’t advanced.<br>
                                                        >    Such a
                                                        claim is
                                                        contrary to the
                                                        spirit and
                                                        intent of the
                                                        PDP and the
                                                        values of the
                                                        RIR<br>
                                                        >    system.
                                                        From what I saw,
                                                        the major
                                                        obstacle to the
                                                        resolution of
                                                        objections was
                                                        more about<br>
                                                        >    the
                                                        intransigence of
                                                        the authors than
                                                        anything under
                                                        the control of
                                                        the co-chairs.<br>
                                                        >    Notably,
                                                        the group filing
                                                        this petition
                                                        contains many of
                                                        the most
                                                        intransigent
                                                        proposal<br>
                                                        >    authors
                                                        in the region.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    While I
                                                        do not believe
                                                        it appropriate
                                                        for co-chairs to
                                                        tell someone to
                                                        “retire” or “go
                                                        away”,<br>
                                                        >    and as
                                                        such won’t
                                                        defend the
                                                        general tone of
                                                        either of the
                                                        messages
                                                        referenced, I
                                                        think they<br>
                                                        >    stopped
                                                        short of such an
                                                        outright
                                                        suggestion as
                                                        the text in the
                                                        PDF would
                                                        indicate. I also<br>
                                                        >    think
                                                        that the
                                                        repeated attacks
                                                        on the co-chairs
                                                        by a vocal
                                                        minority
                                                        including
                                                        (perhaps even<br>
                                                        >    led by)
                                                        the so-called
                                                        “senior members
                                                        of the
                                                        community” in
                                                        question leading
                                                        up to it makes
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >    somewhat
                                                        visceral
                                                        response
                                                        understandable,
                                                        though still not
                                                        ideal. Taking
                                                        the messages out
                                                        of<br>
                                                        >    context
                                                        is disingenuous
                                                        at best.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Finding
                                                        2 is utterly
                                                        specious. The
                                                        co-chairs are
                                                        gaining
                                                        experience with
                                                        the PDP and WG<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        procedures and I
                                                        see no evidence
                                                        that they’ve
                                                        done any worse
                                                        running the WG
                                                        than many of<br>
                                                        >    their
                                                        far less
                                                        controversial
                                                        predecessors. If
                                                        their supposed
                                                        “lack of
                                                        neutrality”
                                                        rises<br>
                                                        >    only to
                                                        the level of
                                                        “suspicion” and
                                                        you cannot
                                                        present actual
                                                        evidence or even
                                                        a solid<br>
                                                        >    claim
                                                        that it exists
                                                        in fact, then
                                                        that is hardly a
                                                        basis for
                                                        removal. You’ve
                                                        shown<br>
                                                        >    no
                                                        evidence that
                                                        bias exists and
                                                        therefor no
                                                        basis for your
                                                        claim that said
                                                        bias impacted<br>
                                                        >    the
                                                        meeting. I fail
                                                        to see how the
                                                        concerns of some
                                                        or the fears of
                                                        others are
                                                        relevant<br>
                                                        >    here. We
                                                        should be
                                                        seeking facts
                                                        and evidence
                                                        regarding any
                                                        suspected
                                                        wrongdoing, not<br>
                                                        >    concerns
                                                        and fears.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > C:    Was
                                                        there more that
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        could have done
                                                        in the time
                                                        before
                                                        AfriNIC-32?
                                                        Almost<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        certainly yes.
                                                        OTOH, nearly
                                                        everyone has
                                                        dropped some
                                                        balls in one way
                                                        or another
                                                        during<br>
                                                        >    that
                                                        time. The world
                                                        was on tilt most
                                                        of that time
                                                        period as a
                                                        result of a
                                                        virus which<br>
                                                        >    is still
                                                        running rampant
                                                        in many parts of
                                                        the world. Many
                                                        of us have lost
                                                        friends and/or<br>
                                                        >    loved
                                                        ones and almost
                                                        all of us at
                                                        least know
                                                        someone who has
                                                        lost a friend or
                                                        a loved one.<br>
                                                        >    There is
                                                        nobody who can
                                                        say they remain
                                                        untouched by
                                                        this current
                                                        circumstance and
                                                        to<br>
                                                        >    expect
                                                        perfect
                                                        execution of
                                                        even the most
                                                        experienced and
                                                        capable of
                                                        co-chairs would
                                                        be<br>
                                                        >    an
                                                        unreasonable
                                                        request under
                                                        the
                                                        circumstances.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    The PDF
                                                        authors present
                                                        no evidence to
                                                        support their
                                                        claim that the
                                                        co-chairs had
                                                        selected<br>
                                                        >    a
                                                        particular
                                                        proposal to push
                                                        forward and
                                                        their supposed
                                                        reference to
                                                        some form of
                                                        demonstration<br>
                                                        >    at
                                                        AfriNIC-31 is
                                                        without
                                                        foundation or
                                                        evidence.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Their
                                                        further claim
                                                        (1) that the
                                                        co-chairs did
                                                        nothing is also
                                                        presented
                                                        without
                                                        evidence.<br>
                                                        >    The
                                                        email cited is a
                                                        message from
                                                        Eddy describing
                                                        the plan of
                                                        record. It
                                                        provides no
                                                        information<br>
                                                        >    about
                                                        any action or
                                                        inaction in the
                                                        preceding
                                                        process by the
                                                        co-chairs.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (2) that staff
                                                        took the lead
                                                        ignores any
                                                        interactions
                                                        which may have
                                                        occurred<br>
                                                        >    off list
                                                        between the
                                                        co-chairs,
                                                        staff, and/or
                                                        the board
                                                        regarding
                                                        coordination and<br>
                                                        >    planning
                                                        for the
                                                        possibility of a
                                                        virtual AfriNIC
                                                        meeting possibly
                                                        including a PDWG<br>
                                                        >    meeting.
                                                        The larger
                                                        questions of the
                                                        AfriNIC meeting
                                                        were out of
                                                        scope for the
                                                        co-chairs<br>
                                                        >    and
                                                        expecting them
                                                        to solve the
                                                        PDWG meeting
                                                        questions prior
                                                        to obtaining
                                                        answers from<br>
                                                        >    staff
                                                        regarding the
                                                        questions around
                                                        the larger
                                                        meeting (which
                                                        are the
                                                        questions
                                                        authors<br>
                                                        >    refer to
                                                        when claiming
                                                        staff took the
                                                        lead) is absurd.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >   
                                                        Regarding claim
                                                        (3), the
                                                        incumbent
                                                        co-chair is not
                                                        responsible for
                                                        the behavior of
                                                        other<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        candidates and
                                                        any such
                                                        expectation that
                                                        the co-chair
                                                        would perform
                                                        his/her duties
                                                        in a<br>
                                                        >    manner
                                                        more to the
                                                        liking of the
                                                        authors or
                                                        candidates in
                                                        question would
                                                        be inappropriate<br>
                                                        >    in the
                                                        extreme. So far,
                                                        I have seen
                                                        little evidence
                                                        of poor or
                                                        improper
                                                        performance of<br>
                                                        >    their
                                                        duties by the
                                                        co-chairs in
                                                        question.
                                                        Certainly
                                                        nothing that
                                                        rises to the
                                                        level of<br>
                                                        >    any
                                                        legitimacy for
                                                        an attempt to
                                                        remove them from
                                                        office. Neither
                                                        of the emails
                                                        cited<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        indicates any
                                                        sort of expected
                                                        change in
                                                        behavior by the
                                                        co-chairs.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (4) that the
                                                        decisions made
                                                        by the co-chairs
                                                        at AfriNIC-32
                                                        were “all
                                                        rejected and<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        appealed” is
                                                        interesting to
                                                        note that all of
                                                        those appeals
                                                        were submitted
                                                        by a single<br>
                                                        >    proposal
                                                        author. Further,
                                                        since the
                                                        Appeals
                                                        committee has
                                                        given themselves
                                                        until<br>
                                                        >    February
                                                        18, 2021 to
                                                        conclude and
                                                        publish the last
                                                        appeal result
                                                        and has not
                                                        provided<br>
                                                        >    any
                                                        conclusions as
                                                        yet (In fact,
                                                        one of the dates
                                                        suggested for
                                                        publication was<br>
                                                        >    December
                                                        22, 2021, but I
                                                        suspect that’s a
                                                        typo for
                                                        December 22,
                                                        2020), it’s
                                                        really<br>
                                                        >    hard to
                                                        know whether
                                                        these appeals
                                                        are simply a
                                                        concerted effort
                                                        by a vocal
                                                        minority<br>
                                                        >    to
                                                        discredit the
                                                        co-chairs or
                                                        whether they
                                                        have actual
                                                        merit. As such,
                                                        using this fact<br>
                                                        >    as a
                                                        basis for
                                                        removal of the
                                                        co-chairs is
                                                        premature at
                                                        best and
                                                        potentially
                                                        manipulative<br>
                                                        >    and
                                                        dishonest at
                                                        worst.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (5) is not
                                                        supported by the
                                                        email referenced
                                                        (or authors need
                                                        to be more
                                                        specific<br>
                                                        >    about
                                                        where in the
                                                        email they see
                                                        evidence
                                                        supporting their
                                                        claim as I do
                                                        not see it<br>
                                                        >    in
                                                        reviewing that
                                                        email). The
                                                        video shows a
                                                        co-chair
                                                        struggling a bit
                                                        with language,
                                                        but<br>
                                                        >    overall
                                                        delivering a
                                                        concise and well
                                                        reasoned
                                                        description of
                                                        the situation
                                                        with each<br>
                                                        >    policy
                                                        and reasonable
                                                        determinations
                                                        of consensus or
                                                        not based on the
                                                        record
                                                        available.<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        Disagreeing with
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        judgment of
                                                        consensus alone
                                                        is not
                                                        justification
                                                        for a<br>
                                                        >    recall.
                                                        Each issue that
                                                        I heard the
                                                        co-chair
                                                        mentioned was an
                                                        issue that had
                                                        been brought<br>
                                                        >    up in
                                                        the discussion
                                                        either in person
                                                        or on the
                                                        mailing list.
                                                        Poor memory on
                                                        the part of<br>
                                                        >    the PDF
                                                        authors should
                                                        not be grounds
                                                        for removal of a
                                                        co-chair.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (6) mostly
                                                        reiterates claim
                                                        (4) and offers
                                                        nothing novel or
                                                        useful to the
                                                        record.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (7) does not
                                                        provide
                                                        sufficient
                                                        information and
                                                        should be
                                                        clarified by the
                                                        PDF authors<br>
                                                        >    prior to
                                                        being evaluated
                                                        for merit (or
                                                        lack there of).<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (8) is not
                                                        accurate. The
                                                        amendments
                                                        proposed by the
                                                        co-chairs had
                                                        been previously<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        requested by
                                                        multiple members
                                                        of the community
                                                        and directly
                                                        addressed
                                                        objections
                                                        raised<br>
                                                        >    by the
                                                        community. The
                                                        co-chairs asked
                                                        the proposal
                                                        authors if they
                                                        were amenable to
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        amendments
                                                        requested in
                                                        order to achieve
                                                        consensus and
                                                        authors agreed.
                                                        There is little<br>
                                                        >    actual
                                                        and no effective
                                                        difference
                                                        between this and
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        determining<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        non-consensus
                                                        based on the
                                                        objections
                                                        rectified by the
                                                        amendments
                                                        followed by
                                                        authors<br>
                                                        >    making
                                                        the amendments
                                                        in question,
                                                        followed by a
                                                        determination of
                                                        consensus (which
                                                        is<br>
                                                        >    entirely
                                                        within the PDP).
                                                        It is
                                                        interesting that
                                                        the authors of
                                                        this accusatory
                                                        PDF<br>
                                                        >    argue on
                                                        one hand that
                                                        co-chairs wasted
                                                        time by not
                                                        moving things
                                                        forward and then
                                                        here<br>
                                                        >    complain
                                                        that authors
                                                        made efficient
                                                        use of time by
                                                        getting author
                                                        consent for
                                                        amendments<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        requested by the
                                                        community and
                                                        declaring
                                                        consensus on the
                                                        proposal with
                                                        those
                                                        amendments.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (9) This appears
                                                        to be a
                                                        generally
                                                        factual claim,
                                                        but I’m not sure
                                                        how it is
                                                        relevant<br>
                                                        >    as a
                                                        claim of
                                                        malfeasance or
                                                        incompetence on
                                                        the part of the
                                                        co-chairs.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (10) lacks
                                                        foundation or
                                                        evidence. I’m
                                                        not sure how
                                                        "objections
                                                        forcing the
                                                        authors<br>
                                                        >    to make
                                                        a lot of
                                                        substantial
                                                        changes” is in
                                                        violation of the
                                                        PDP… It’s my
                                                        belief that the<br>
                                                        >    PDP is
                                                        intended to
                                                        allow the
                                                        community to
                                                        insist upon
                                                        needed changes
                                                        in a proposal
                                                        throughout<br>
                                                        >    the
                                                        process.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (11) also lacks
                                                        foundation or
                                                        evidence. If
                                                        there is a basis
                                                        to a claim that
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        so-called
                                                        editorial
                                                        changes were
                                                        not, in fact,
                                                        editorial in
                                                        nature, then
                                                        that basis<br>
                                                        >    should
                                                        be explained in
                                                        the document and
                                                        supporting
                                                        evidence should
                                                        be provided. The<br>
                                                        >    mere
                                                        filing of an
                                                        appeal (or even
                                                        two appeals) is
                                                        proof of nothing
                                                        other than the<br>
                                                        >    fact
                                                        that someone
                                                        didn’t like the
                                                        outcome.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Claim
                                                        (12) It’s
                                                        unclear what
                                                        “submission” to
                                                        whom is expected
                                                        in Claim (12),
                                                        nor do I see<br>
                                                        >    anything
                                                        in the PDP that
                                                        requires the
                                                        co-chairs to
                                                        await the
                                                        decision of the
                                                        appeal<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        committee prior
                                                        to defending
                                                        their decisions
                                                        to the
                                                        community. One
                                                        one hand, PDF
                                                        authors<br>
                                                        >    are
                                                        claiming that
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        ignore community
                                                        input and on the
                                                        other they are
                                                        now<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        complaining that
                                                        the co-chairs
                                                        decided to
                                                        solicit
                                                        additional
                                                        community
                                                        feedback given<br>
                                                        >    the
                                                        apparent
                                                        controversy over
                                                        their decision.
                                                        It’s unclear to
                                                        me which
                                                        provisions of<br>
                                                        >    the PDP
                                                        this is alleged
                                                        to violate and
                                                        authors make no
                                                        citations of the
                                                        relevant PDP<br>
                                                        >    sections
                                                        to which they
                                                        vaguely refer in
                                                        the phrase “more
                                                        violations of
                                                        the PDP”.<br>
                                                        >    Further,
                                                        co-chairs are
                                                        elected to
                                                        implement and
                                                        manage the PDP.
                                                        They are not
                                                        responsible<br>
                                                        >    for
                                                        defending the
                                                        PDP (nor do I
                                                        believe that the
                                                        PDP is under
                                                        attack except
                                                        possibly by<br>
                                                        >    the
                                                        proposal to
                                                        modify it which
                                                        did not achieve
                                                        consensus). In
                                                        fact, defending
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >    PDP
                                                        against that
                                                        proposal would
                                                        be a violation
                                                        of the PDP in my
                                                        opinion, so once
                                                        again,<br>
                                                        >    authors
                                                        of the PDF have
                                                        erred.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    Because
                                                        virtually the
                                                        entire basis for
                                                        Finding 3 is
                                                        refuted above,
                                                        it is also my
                                                        considered<br>
                                                        >    opinion
                                                        that Finding 3
                                                        is entirely
                                                        specious and
                                                        without merit.
                                                        There is no
                                                        evidence
                                                        presented<br>
                                                        >    that the
                                                        co-chairs
                                                        violated the
                                                        PDP, nor is
                                                        there any
                                                        indication that
                                                        they made
                                                        “unilateral”<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        decisions
                                                        inconsistent
                                                        with the record
                                                        of community
                                                        input. They have
                                                        not demonstrated
                                                        a lack<br>
                                                        >    of
                                                        fairness. The
                                                        question of
                                                        neutrality is
                                                        subjective at
                                                        best and there’s
                                                        no clear
                                                        evidence<br>
                                                        >    of bias
                                                        presented. The
                                                        policy
                                                        preferences
                                                        expressed by the
                                                        co-chairs are
                                                        consistent with
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        community
                                                        feedback
                                                        received in the
                                                        record overall
                                                        and do not
                                                        provide any
                                                        clear indication<br>
                                                        >    of bias.
                                                        Yes, they are
                                                        contrary to the
                                                        opinions of the
                                                        PDF authors, but
                                                        so is much of
                                                        the<br>
                                                        >    feedback
                                                        received from
                                                        the community on
                                                        a variety of
                                                        issues.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > Conclusion:<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    The vast
                                                        majority of the
                                                        claims made in
                                                        this document
                                                        are entirely
                                                        specious and
                                                        without<br>
                                                        >    merit. I
                                                        hope that the
                                                        board will
                                                        dismiss this
                                                        action as the
                                                        frivolous and
                                                        baseless<br>
                                                        >    attack
                                                        on the PDP that
                                                        it represents
                                                        and I hope that
                                                        we can all move
                                                        forward on a
                                                        more<br>
                                                        >   
                                                        collegial basis.
                                                        I hope that the
                                                        PDF authors will
                                                        stop using
                                                        Donald Trump as
                                                        a role model<br>
                                                        >    and
                                                        recognize that
                                                        bullying is
                                                        ultimately a
                                                        losing strategy.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > Owen<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >    <br>
                                                        >> On Nov
                                                        17, 2020, at
                                                        1:54 PM,
                                                        Ekaterina
                                                        Kalugina <<a
href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        >> <br>
                                                        >> Dear
                                                        community,<br>
                                                        >> <br>
                                                        >> It is
                                                        my firm belief
                                                        that the current
                                                        request to
                                                        recall the
                                                        co-chairs is not
                                                        only incredibly
                                                        unfounded,
                                                        biased and
                                                        generally done
                                                        in bad faith but
                                                        is, in fact, in
                                                        violation of
                                                        some of the
                                                        basic values
                                                        AFRINIC stands
                                                        for.<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > [snip]<br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        > <br>
                                                        >
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                                                        <a
                                                          href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                                    </blockquote>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:36pt">_______________________________________________<br>
                                                    RPD mailing list<br>
                                                    <a
                                                      href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                                                    <a
                                                      href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:36pt"> </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:36pt">_______________________________________________<br>
                                          RPD mailing list<br>
                                          <a
                                            href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            rel="noreferrer"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                                          <a
                                            href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            rel="noreferrer"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:36pt">_______________________________________________<br>
                                      RPD mailing list<br>
                                      <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                                      <a
                                        href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:36pt">_______________________________________________<br>
                              RPD mailing list<br>
                              <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                              <a
                                href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  _______________________________________________<br>
                  RPD mailing list<br>
                  <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                  <a
                    href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                    rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              _______________________________________________<br>
              RPD mailing list<br>
              <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
                rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
              <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
          _______________________________________________<br>
          RPD mailing list<br>
          <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
            rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
          <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
            rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
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RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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