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Dear Abdulkarim,</div>
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I know the logic behind thinking before post this contribution as its recently expired and the authors missed to update it before the deadline. This may seem as a bug in our process as other RIRs required some arrange of chairs approval before posting new proposal,
unfortunately (or <span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">fortunately) we don't have such measure. </span></div>
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<span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">However,
<span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">we can't fix our bug while processing, we need raise it to the community and go throw the process. </span>So,
<b>PLEASE </b>get this policy proposal published today and avoid any further complication. At the end of the day it's just a proposal no harm to the business.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">Regards.</span></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Noah <noah@neo.co.tz><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Policy Development Working Group <pdwg@afrinic.net>; rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] [pdwg] AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy Version 1.0</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Noah,
<div>We deliberated this same proposal before publishing it because we prefer not to have a competing proposal. We also reached out to the authors of the new proposal to see if they can work with the author of the other proposal. That being said,
<b>that proposal you mentioned is not in lat call. </b>This is the big difference between your case and that other one. It is still in discussion. </div>
<div>I believe that is what you are missing.</div>
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<div>Yes, all the section of the CPM that you have quoted is correct and we shall publish the status of your proposal on AFRINIC website as soon as possible. We shall also post the same on the mailing list.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Abdulkarim,<br>
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So since you keep calling divergent ideas, competing policy proposals, I happened to notice that there was a new abuse draft proposal [1] that was recently proposed by Lamiaa. Bear in mind that there is another similar existing proposal by Jordi Palet.<br>
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[1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/subject.html#11592" target="_blank">
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/subject.html#11592</a><br>
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I also note that you asked AFRINIC staff to post the above new abuse draft proposal [2] and confirm back to you co-chairs [3].<br>
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[2] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011701.html" target="_blank">
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011701.html</a>
<div>[3] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011833.html" target="_blank">
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011833.html</a><br>
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This was in line with CPM section 3.4.1 first paragraph.</div>
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<b>NOTE</b>: <b><i>I don't recall you co-chairs invoking your current line of reasoning that you are seeking staff assessment as per section 3.4.1 on this new competing abuse proposal so as to ensure that you dont waste everyone's time. </i></b><br>
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So I wonder, since when is staff assessment required for a proposal to be accepted for discussions?<br>
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NOTE: Section 3.4.1 which you are referring to, has an initial paragraph that reads as below.<br>
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<b>3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal<br>
</b>"During the development of policy, <b>draft versions of the document are made available for review and comment by publishing them on the AFRINIC website and posting them to the
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> mailing list</b>.
<b>Each draft policy is assigned a unique identifier by AFRINIC and the AFRINIC website shall also contain the version history and the status of all proposals.</b>"<br>
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And the second paragraph you rightfully quoted as your counter argument comes after the above and reads as below.<br>
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<b>The draft policy shall be available for review for at least four weeks before the next Public Policy Meeting. The author(s) shall make the necessary changes to the draft policy according to the feedback received.
</b>The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal.</div>
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<div>So I ask again, since when is staff assessment required for a proposal to be accepted for discussions?</div>
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<div>Second question, has the staff and your co-chairs endeavoured to publish the proposal that you seek assessment on and what is its Unique Identifier as per first paragraph of CPM 3.4.1. <br>
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What am I missing? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Noah,
<div>A Section of 3.4.1 of the CPM reads ...<span style="color:rgb(117,117,117); font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px"> "</span><span style="color:rgb(117,117,117); font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px">The Working Group Chair(s) may request
AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal..." </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px"><font color="#000000">We are in the process of asking AFRINIC to provide us with an analysis/advice of how to handle this proposal since a competing proposal is already in the last call. </font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px"><font color="#000000">The community is made up of volunteers whose time are very precious. We want to reduce community burnout as much as we can and avoid wasting any one's time. You would agree
with me that if the proposal in the last call is ratified then discussing this other one would amount to a waste of time. We have earlier received an analysis/advice on this issue and we this morning received a more detailed analysis/advice on how to proceed
with this proposal and we would like to discuss this with you (the authors) so that we are all on the same page going forward. Please give us a time that is most suitable for you (the authors) and we arrange a zoom meeting. </font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px"><font color="#000000">In the meantime, we shall continue to carry out the necessary background work on this proposal. </font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px"><font color="#000000">Please accept our apologies for any delay in communicating this to you. </font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif; font-size:14px"><font color="#000000"> Thanks </font></span></div>
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Hi Co-chairs,</p>
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The PDP does not allow Co-chairs to approve<span> draft </span>proposals submitted to the WG.</p>
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The draft proposal has been submitted and is under discussion as per section 3.4 of the CPM and must be published<span> </span>by AFRINIC staff.</p>
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Can you please tell the WG what you want to discuss with the authors during this call which we did try to discuss openly after you rejected our motivated submission for version 3.0 with the reasons being that the proposal had expired.<span> </span></p>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Noah,
<div dir="auto">It is not yet published because we are still looking into it and we are planning a meeting with the Authors sometime soon. </div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks and Regards</div>
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<div>Any reason this proposal has not been posted online on the AFRINIC website?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Working Group/Co-Chairs,<br>
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A new policy proposal named "AFRINIC resources transfer policy" is submitted for discussions. This proposal obsoletes the current IPv4 transfer within AFRINIC service region policy, defines rules for transfers of IPv4 and ASNs within the region and between
the AFRINIC service region and other regions.<br>
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The policy allows a category of resources to be transferred out of the region, another category of resources to be transferred inside and denies the transfer of certain resources.<br>
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We expect this to be a response to a harmonised policy which addresses some of the limitations of the intra-rir policy and proposes a solution for an inter-rir transfer which minimizes the foreseen risks of uncontrolled outflow of resources.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Please find the proposals text below and also attached pdf format.<br>
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Happiest Weekend,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Policy Name: <b>AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy</b><br>
ID: (Assigned by AFRINIC)<br>
Submission <b>Date: 17 Oct 2020</b><br>
Version: 1.0<br>
Author(s): (a) Name, (b) Email address, (c) Affiliation, if applicable<br>
Gregoire Olaotan Ehoumi, <a href="mailto:gregoire@ehoumi.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
gregoire@ehoumi.net</a>, independent<br>
Noah Maina, <a href="mailto:noah.maina@seacom.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
noah.maina@seacom.com</a>, SEACOM<br>
Adeola A. P. Aina, <a href="mailto:alain.aina@wacren.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
alain.aina@wacren.net</a>, WACREN<br>
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<b>Sections of Policy Manual affected<br>
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<b>Obsoletes</b>: IPv4 Resources transfer within the AFRINIC Region (Section 5.7 of the CPM)<br>
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<b>1.0 Summary of the problem being addressed by this proposal</b></div>
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</b>The AFRINIC IPv4 pool is expected to run out soon. Some entities may need IPv4 space to support their IPv6 deployments, especially to support transition mechanisms, which AFRINIC may not meet. The current Intra-RIR policy in force at AFRINIC allows entities
to receive unused IPv4 addresses from other members solely within the AFRINIC region, based on justified needs. Considering the limited IPv4 space initially made available to AFRINIC (AFRINIC manages only 7.23 /8s with a very low ratio of IPv4 addresses per
Internet user), there will therefore be a need to allow for unused IPv4 from other regions to move into the AFRINIC service region °V this without necessarily depleting AFRINIC's slim amount of IPv4 addresses by transferring space out of the region. The current
Intra-RIR transfer policy allows all types of IPv4 allocations/assignments to be transferred, including IPv4 from special purpose blocks (reserved blocks for IXPs and DNS root ops, Last /8, etc.) The current intra-RIR transfer policy does not cover ASNs while
there are cases where transfers of ASNs among AFRINIC members is desirable.<br>
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<b>2.0 Summary of how this proposal addresses the problem</b></div>
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</b>This new policy defines a set of rules to allow transfer of IPv4 addresses and ASNs within the AFRINIC service region; and between the AFRINIC service region and other regions by specifying what categories of resources are eligible for transfer, the location
of parties (sources and recipients) and the conditions to be met.<br>
The policy segregates resources in different categories and defines which transfer rules apply to each category.<br>
Only Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other regions will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service region.<br>
The policy also makes the following provisions:<br>
- Number resources are non-transferable unless AFRINIC has expressly and in writing approved a request for transfer. AFRINIC is tasked with making prudent decisions on whether to approve the transfer of number resources.<br>
- IPv4 addresses and ASNs can be transferred only in accordance with this policy.
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- AFRINIC does not recognize transfers outside of approved transfer policies and requires organizations holding such resources to return them to the appropriate registries.<br>
The goal of this transfer policy is to help distribute resources from those who no longer need them to organizations that need the resources, but cannot obtain them from the AFRINIC free pools.<br>
AFRINIC recognizes the following types of transfers:<br>
- merger, acquisition, takeover or consolidation,<br>
- between AFRINIC members,<br>
- between an AFRINIC member and an organization in another region,<br>
- between a Legacy resource holder and an AFRINIC member,<br>
- between a Legacy resource holder and an organization in another region.<br>
AFRINIC will process and record Inter-RIR resource transfers only when the counterpart RIR has an Inter-RIR transfer policy that permits the transfer of IPv4 address space and ASNs between its own region and AFRINIC. Currently, the other regions are APNIC,
ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE NCC.<br>
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<b>3.0 Proposal</b></div>
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</b>Insert the following text into the CPM (numbering to be changed by staff as appropriate):<br>
3.1 Definitions<br>
3.1.1 "Resource" refers to IPv4 Address space or Autonomous System Numbers.<br>
"AFRINIC pool" means the AFRINIC managed pool of IPv4 and ASNs, obtained from IANA (allocated and recovered) or through the ERX (Early registration transfers).<br>
3.1.2 "Special-Purpose pool" means the pool of resources currently reserved for Critical Internet Infrastructures (section 5.6.4 of CPM) and resources distributed during the Exhaustion phases of the soft landing policy (section 5.4 of CPM).<br>
3.1.3 "Legacy resources" refer to resources allocated prior to the RIR system and tagged as Legacy by AFRINIC.<br>
3.1.4 "Others" means resources transferred from other regions through Inter-RIR transfers.<br>
3.1.5 "Inter-RIR transfer" means the transfer of resources from a resource holder in the AFRINIC service region to an organization in another region or vice-versa.<br>
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<b>3.2 Marking of the resources</b></div>
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Special-Purpose pool == Reserved<br>
Legacy == Legacy<br>
Others == Global<br>
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<b>3.3 Rules and procedures for selecting resources eligible for transfers</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">3.3.1 If source and recipient are AFRINIC members, then allow "Regional", "Global" or "Legacy" for transfer and mark transferred "Legacy" as "Global".<br>
3.3.2 If source is Legacy holder and recipient is AFRINIC member, then allow "Legacy" for transfer and mark transferred resources as "Global".<br>
3.3.3 If source is Legacy holder and recipient is in another region, then allow "Legacy" for transfer.<br>
3.3.4 If source is AFRINIC member and recipient is in another region, then allow "Global" for transfer.<br>
3.3.5 If source is from another region and recipient is AFRINIC member, then allow "Any", and then mark the transferred resources as "Global".<br>
3.3.6 Irrespective of the source and recipient, if the resource to be transferred is "Reserved" then deny transfer. This restriction excludes mergers, acquisitions and takeover transfers.<br>
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<b>3.4 Conditions on resources to be transferred</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">- The size of the IPv4 address prefix should be a minimum of /24.<br>
- The resource must qualify for the type of transfer requested.<br>
- The resource will be covered by AFRINIC policies after transfer into the region.<br>
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<b>3.5 Conditions on the source<br>
</b>- Must be the right holder of the resources to be transferred with no disputes.<br>
- If the source is from other regions, conditions on the source are defined in the counterpart RIRs transfer policy.<br>
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<b>3.6 Conditions on the recipient</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">- Will be subject to current AFRINIC policies.<br>
- Must sign RSA.<br>
- Recipient that does not have prior resources must:<br>
++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of the transferred resources<br>
(in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet the criteria for assignment of ASN).<br>
- Recipient with prior resources must:<br>
++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of the transferred resources<br>
(in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet the criteria for assignment of ASN).<br>
++ Show past usage rate.<br>
++ Provide evidence of compliance with AFRINIC policies with respect to past allocations/assignments.<br>
- If the recipient is in another region, the conditions on the recipient are defined in the counterparts RIR transfer policy.<br>
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<b> 4. References</b></div>
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</b><a href="https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf</a><br>
<a href="https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/</a><br>
<a href="https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html</a><br>
<a href="https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html</a><br>
<a href="ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/</a><br>
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