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<p>Hi Abdul,</p>
On 2020/10/27 07:45, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Noah,
<div>A Section of 3.4.1 of the CPM reads ...<span
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style="color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The
Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an
analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the
impact of the draft policy proposal..." </span></div>
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color="#000000">We are in the process of asking AFRINIC to
provide us with an analysis/advice of how to handle this
proposal since a competing proposal is already in the last
call. <br>
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<p>I believe we've adequately established that there isn't consensus
on the competing proposal in last call, so may I kindly request
that you send that proposal back to discussion, and then that
sorts out this discussion too in that there is no possible
conflict in having multiple draft proposals in discussion?</p>
<p>Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:25
PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br>
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Neue"">Hi Co-chairs,</p>
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Neue"">The PDP does not allow Co-chairs to approve<span> draft </span>proposals
submitted to the WG.</p>
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Neue"">The draft proposal has been submitted and is
under discussion as per section 3.4 of the CPM and must be
published<span> </span>by AFRINIC staff.</p>
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Neue"">Can you please tell the WG what you want to
discuss with the authors during this call which we did try
to discuss openly after you rejected our motivated
submission for version 3.0 with the reasons being that the
proposal had expired.<span> </span></p>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Noah,
<div dir="auto">It is not yet published because we are
still looking into it and we are planning a meeting
with the Authors sometime soon. </div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks and Regards</div>
<div dir="auto">Co-Chair </div>
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19:20 Noah via pdwg, <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Attention PDWG Co-chairs,
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<div>Any reason this proposal has not been posted
online on the AFRINIC website?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Working Group/Co-Chairs,<br>
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A new policy proposal named "AFRINIC
resources transfer policy" is submitted for
discussions. This proposal obsoletes the
current IPv4 transfer within AFRINIC
service region policy, defines rules for
transfers of IPv4 and ASNs within the region
and between the AFRINIC service region and
other regions.<br>
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The policy allows a category of resources to
be transferred out of the region, another
category of resources to be transferred inside
and denies the transfer of certain resources.<br>
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We expect this to be a response to a
harmonised policy which addresses some of the
limitations of the intra-rir policy and
proposes a solution for an inter-rir transfer
which minimizes the foreseen risks of
uncontrolled outflow of resources.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Please find the proposals text
below and also attached pdf format.<br>
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Happiest Weekend,</div>
<div dir="ltr">Noah on behalf of<br>
The Co-authors<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Policy Name: <b>AFRINIC Number
Resources Transfer Policy</b><br>
ID: (Assigned by AFRINIC)<br>
Submission <b>Date: 17 Oct 2020</b><br>
Version: 1.0<br>
Author(s): (a) Name, (b) Email address, (c)
Affiliation, if applicable<br>
Gregoire Olaotan Ehoumi, <a
href="mailto:gregoire@ehoumi.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregoire@ehoumi.net</a>,
independent<br>
Noah Maina, <a
href="mailto:noah.maina@seacom.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">noah.maina@seacom.com</a>,
SEACOM<br>
Adeola A. P. Aina, <a
href="mailto:alain.aina@wacren.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alain.aina@wacren.net</a>,
WACREN<br>
<br>
<b>Sections of Policy Manual affected<br>
</b><br>
<b>Obsoletes</b>: IPv4 Resources transfer
within the AFRINIC Region (Section 5.7 of the
CPM)<br>
<br>
<b>1.0 Summary of the problem being addressed
by this proposal</b></div>
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</b>The AFRINIC IPv4 pool is expected to run
out soon. Some entities may need IPv4 space to
support their IPv6 deployments, especially to
support transition mechanisms, which AFRINIC
may not meet. The current Intra-RIR policy in
force at AFRINIC allows entities to receive
unused IPv4 addresses from other members
solely within the AFRINIC region, based on
justified needs. Considering the limited IPv4
space initially made available to AFRINIC
(AFRINIC manages only 7.23 /8s with a very low
ratio of IPv4 addresses per Internet user),
there will therefore be a need to allow for
unused IPv4 from other regions to move into
the AFRINIC service region °V this without
necessarily depleting AFRINIC's slim amount of
IPv4 addresses by transferring space out of
the region. The current Intra-RIR transfer
policy allows all types of IPv4
allocations/assignments to be transferred,
including IPv4 from special purpose blocks
(reserved blocks for IXPs and DNS root ops,
Last /8, etc.) The current intra-RIR transfer
policy does not cover ASNs while there are
cases where transfers of ASNs among AFRINIC
members is desirable.<br>
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<br>
<b>2.0 Summary of how this proposal addresses
the problem</b></div>
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</b>This new policy defines a set of rules to
allow transfer of IPv4 addresses and ASNs
within the AFRINIC service region; and between
the AFRINIC service region and other regions
by specifying what categories of resources are
eligible for transfer, the location of parties
(sources and recipients) and the conditions to
be met.<br>
The policy segregates resources in different
categories and defines which transfer rules
apply to each category.<br>
Only Legacy resources and resources
transferred in from other regions will be
transferable out of the AFRINIC service
region.<br>
The policy also makes the following
provisions:<br>
- Number resources are non-transferable unless
AFRINIC has expressly and in writing approved
a request for transfer. AFRINIC is tasked with
making prudent decisions on whether to approve
the transfer of number resources.<br>
- IPv4 addresses and ASNs can be transferred
only in accordance with this policy. <br>
- AFRINIC does not recognize transfers outside
of approved transfer policies and requires
organizations holding such resources to return
them to the appropriate registries.<br>
The goal of this transfer policy is to help
distribute resources from those who no longer
need them to organizations that need the
resources, but cannot obtain them from the
AFRINIC free pools.<br>
AFRINIC recognizes the following types of
transfers:<br>
- merger, acquisition, takeover or
consolidation,<br>
- between AFRINIC members,<br>
- between an AFRINIC member and an
organization in another region,<br>
- between a Legacy resource holder and an
AFRINIC member,<br>
- between a Legacy resource holder and an
organization in another region.<br>
AFRINIC will process and record Inter-RIR
resource transfers only when the counterpart
RIR has an Inter-RIR transfer policy that
permits the transfer of IPv4 address space and
ASNs between its own region and AFRINIC.
Currently, the other regions are APNIC, ARIN,
LACNIC, RIPE NCC.<br>
<br>
<b>3.0 Proposal</b></div>
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</b>Insert the following text into the CPM
(numbering to be changed by staff as
appropriate):<br>
3.1 Definitions<br>
3.1.1 "Resource" refers to IPv4 Address space
or Autonomous System Numbers.<br>
"AFRINIC pool" means the AFRINIC managed pool
of IPv4 and ASNs, obtained from IANA
(allocated and recovered) or through the ERX
(Early registration transfers).<br>
3.1.2 "Special-Purpose pool" means the pool of
resources currently reserved for Critical
Internet Infrastructures (section 5.6.4 of
CPM) and resources distributed during the
Exhaustion phases of the soft landing policy
(section 5.4 of CPM).<br>
3.1.3 "Legacy resources" refer to resources
allocated prior to the RIR system and tagged
as Legacy by AFRINIC.<br>
3.1.4 "Others" means resources transferred
from other regions through Inter-RIR
transfers.<br>
3.1.5 "Inter-RIR transfer" means the transfer
of resources from a resource holder in the
AFRINIC service region to an organization in
another region or vice-versa.<br>
<br>
<b>3.2 Marking of the resources</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">AFRINIC pool == Regional<br>
Special-Purpose pool == Reserved<br>
Legacy == Legacy<br>
Others == Global<br>
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<b>3.3 Rules and procedures for selecting
resources eligible for transfers</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">3.3.1 If source and recipient are
AFRINIC members, then allow "Regional",
"Global" or "Legacy" for transfer and mark
transferred "Legacy" as "Global".<br>
3.3.2 If source is Legacy holder and recipient
is AFRINIC member, then allow "Legacy" for
transfer and mark transferred resources as
"Global".<br>
3.3.3 If source is Legacy holder and recipient
is in another region, then allow "Legacy" for
transfer.<br>
3.3.4 If source is AFRINIC member and
recipient is in another region, then allow
"Global" for transfer.<br>
3.3.5 If source is from another region and
recipient is AFRINIC member, then allow "Any",
and then mark the transferred resources as
"Global".<br>
3.3.6 Irrespective of the source and
recipient, if the resource to be transferred
is "Reserved" then deny transfer. This
restriction excludes mergers, acquisitions and
takeover transfers.<br>
<br>
<b>3.4 Conditions on resources to be
transferred</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">- The size of the IPv4 address
prefix should be a minimum of /24.<br>
- The resource must qualify for the type of
transfer requested.<br>
- The resource will be covered by AFRINIC
policies after transfer into the region.<br>
<br>
<b>3.5 Conditions on the source<br>
</b>- Must be the right holder of the
resources to be transferred with no disputes.<br>
- If the source is from other regions,
conditions on the source are defined in the
counterpart RIRs transfer policy.<br>
<br>
<b>3.6 Conditions on the recipient</b></div>
<div dir="ltr">- Will be subject to current
AFRINIC policies.<br>
- Must sign RSA.<br>
- Recipient that does not have prior resources
must:<br>
++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of
the transferred resources<br>
(in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet
the criteria for assignment of ASN).<br>
- Recipient with prior resources must:<br>
++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of
the transferred resources<br>
(in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet
the criteria for assignment of ASN).<br>
++ Show past usage rate.<br>
++ Provide evidence of compliance with AFRINIC
policies with respect to past
allocations/assignments.<br>
- If the recipient is in another region, the
conditions on the recipient are defined in the
counterparts RIR transfer policy.<br>
<br>
<b> 4. References</b></div>
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</b><a
href="https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf</a><br>
<a href="https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/</a><br>
<a
href="https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html</a><br>
<a
href="https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html</a><br>
<a
href="ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/</a><br>
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