<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec tout ce que mes prédécesseurs ont dit spécialement Mirriam. Un engagement volontaire n'est imposé à personne et si tu candidates en tant que volontaire tu dois être prêt à tout assumer, ne rien décider au nom de qui que se soit mais assumé personnellement. Merci de faire diligence pour publier la proposition de politique, car actuellement c'est plutôt toi Co-chair qui nous pers le temps.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cordialement </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Arnaud </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 27 oct. 2020 à 13:01, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>I agree with Jordi's and Noah's messages in the sense Co-Chairs
cannot hold the publishing of a new proposal despite their
personal beliefs. If there are/will be issues with the new
proposal that will be discussed afterwards by the Working Group
and I also ask the Co-Chairs to let it go its natural path and not
set this precedent.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
</p>
<div>On 27/10/2020 07:57, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi AK,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I disagree. “The draft policy shall be …” then
you have “The Working Group Chair(s) may …”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Note the order, this is plain English. You need
to *<b>do</b>* in the stated order, not a different one.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">And you are missing the previous text in 3.4
which states:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">“Anyone can submit a proposal. Policy proposals
are submitted to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list
(</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">) by the author. AFRINIC will provide
administrative support and assist the author(s) in drafting
the proposal if requested. AFRINIC shall also provide
relevant facts and statistics if requested during the
discussion.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">And you are also missing 3.4.1 previous
paragraph:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">“During the development of policy, draft
versions of the document are made available for review and
comment by publishing them on the AFRINIC website and
posting them to the </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> mailing list. Each draft policy is assigned a
unique identifier by AFRINIC and the AFRINIC website shall
also contain the version history and the status of all
proposals.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">So, the order is:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Authors send a proposal. AFRINIC staff (not
co-chairs) could offer support.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">AFRINIC staff shall assign an identifies and
publish in the web site.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Co-chairs could ask the staff for inputs
(which it is actually done by default by staff already –
analysis impact). But of course, co-chairs can ask for
further clarifications, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">The
order is *<b>extremely relevant</b>* and if you change it,
you violate the CPM. As you said, it is written in clear
english!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">The PDP
is our law and the interpretation is only possible *<b>following
the strict order</b>*. Reordering means breaking it as
it happens with any law!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">An
example (a bit exagerated so is easier to see), if you
have a law for speed limit in the road:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">The
driving speed limit in this road is 100 Km/h.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">You get
a fine.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">If you
change the order, the consequence is clear, you get a
fine, even if you aren’t over the speed limit!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">You said
“<b>As an author of so many proposals yourself, you know
quite well that it takes some time to process this thing
and announce on the mailing list</b>”. Yes, what I do is
to use the staff (staff, not co-chairs) path, because I
agree that a proposal in the web site is *<b>easier</b>*
to read, the staff can already provide the proposal
indentifier, some times they may discover a typo, or do
some suggestions, etc., and there *<b>usually</b>* there
is no need to hurry up with the annoucement in the list.
However what I’m doing, voluntarely is not a *<b>must</b>*
for all the proposals/authors which follow the CPM just by
sending it straitht to the list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Sometimes,
in fact, I should said that this “publication” process is
extremely slow, and should not be like that. The staff
should be able to publish a proposal even if there were
one every other day (which clearly is not the case, I’m
just exigerating), because the time it takes to a) assign
and ID, b) make it in the policy proposal web page, *<b>realistically</b>*
takes just *<b>minutes</b>*.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I also
suggested the staff some time ago, they this can be
simplified by an automated form (like LACNIC and APNIC is
doing), which (if there is no inputs from the staff),
could just mean the staf just need to “click” on the
“publish” button to actually make it happen.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I fully
understand that this is not your day job, and fully
recognize it, and I’m very thankful for that. I’ve said
this many times: I prefer to send another 100 proposals
before being a co-chair. However, this part of the process
is for the *<b>staff</b>* not the co-chairs, so even if
you have *<b>any</b>* reservation, you can’t do anything
about that, you *<b>can’t interfere</b>* with this part of
the process. Doing so it is plain blatant wrong.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 27/10/20
10:48, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
escribió:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear Jordi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks for
your mail. However, the section is not broken, it was
written in clear English. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Please read
it again.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#757575">The
draft policy shall be available for review for at least
four weeks before the next Public Policy Meeting. The
author(s) shall make the necessary changes to the draft
policy according to the feedback received. <b>The
Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide
an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of
the impact of the draft policy proposal.</b></span><b> </b><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b>Please
note however that we never said we are not going to
publish this proposal. As an author of so many
proposals yourself, you know quite well that it takes
some time to process this thing and announce on the
mailing list. We don't work on these things full time
and we get busy too some times. We have also had a
meeting with you in the past before publishing one of
your proposals. You know how this thing works
sometimes. </b><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b>Yes, we
have a reservation about this proposal because of a
competing proposal is on the last call which is not an
everyday situation therefore it requires that we look
into it carefully. </b><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b>We would
publish it as required by the CPM we only wanted to
understand its impact on the community's time so that we
can allow the community to make an informed decision
about it. </b><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b>Please
let us be patient and not jump into a quick
conclusion. </b><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Co-Chair <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">PDWG<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Tue, Oct
27, 2020 at 10:05 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi AK, all,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">This is a
totally broken interpretation of the PDP.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Section 3.4.1
is referring to ask for an impact analysis *<b>after</b>*
a proposal has been submitted and published.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">The PDP
doesn’t allow the chairs to “hold” the publication
of *<b>any</b>* proposal.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">The PDP,
doesn’t disallow having competing proposals, *<b>never
mind</b>* they are in any phase or even if they
are “competing” with a ratified proposal.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">In fact,
that’s part of the PDP!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">We may have a
policy, let’s suppose we have already and Inter-RIR
policy, and part of the community things is wrong.
They have the right to present another proposal to
amend it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">It is just
fine, and I will say very good, if you want to
coordinate among different competing proposals
authors to come together. Do you remember I asked
for this before the Luanda meeting? But *<b>that</b>*
can’t be used as an excuse to *<b>hold</b>* the
publication of any proposal.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El
27/10/20 6:56, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
escribió:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Dear
Noah,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">A
Section of 3.4.1 of the CPM reads ...<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#757575"> "The
Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to
provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal
or other), of the impact of the draft policy
proposal..." </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We
are in the process of asking AFRINIC to provide
us with an analysis/advice of how to handle this
proposal since a competing proposal is already
in the last call. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The
community is made up of volunteers whose time
are very precious. We want to reduce community
burnout as much as we can and avoid wasting any
one's time. You would agree with me that if the
proposal in the last call is ratified then
discussing this other one would amount to a
waste of time. We have earlier received an
analysis/advice on this issue and we this
morning received a more detailed analysis/advice
on how to proceed with this proposal and we
would like to discuss this with you (the
authors) so that we are all on the same page
going forward. Please give us a time that is
most suitable for you (the authors) and we
arrange a zoom meeting. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In
the meantime, we shall continue to carry out the
necessary background work on this proposal. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please
accept our apologies for any delay in
communicating this to you. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> Thanks </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Co-Chair </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">PDWG</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">On
Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:25 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hi
Co-chairs,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The PDP
does not allow Co-chairs to
approve draft proposals submitted to the WG.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The
draft proposal has been submitted and is under
discussion as per section 3.4 of the CPM and
must be published by AFRINIC staff.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Can you
please tell the WG what you want to discuss
with the authors during this call which we did
try to discuss openly after you rejected our
motivated submission for version 3.0 with the
reasons being that the proposal had expired. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Cheers,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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- network engineering and
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Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:31 AM ABDULKARIM
OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
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Noah,<u></u><u></u></p>
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is not yet published because we are still
looking into it and we are planning a
meeting with the Authors sometime soon. <u></u><u></u></p>
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and Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
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Sun, 25 Oct 2020, 19:20 Noah via pdwg,
<<a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">pdwg@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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reason this proposal has not been
posted online on the AFRINIC website?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">neo
- network engineering
and operations<u></u><u></u></p>
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Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:03 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Dear
Working Group/Co-Chairs,<br>
<br>
A new policy proposal named
"AFRINIC resources transfer
policy" is submitted for
discussions. This proposal
obsoletes the current IPv4
transfer within AFRINIC service
region policy, defines rules for
transfers of IPv4 and ASNs within
the region and between the AFRINIC
service region and other regions.<br>
<br>
The policy allows a category of
resources to be transferred out of
the region, another category of
resources to be transferred inside
and denies the transfer of certain
resources.<br>
<br>
We expect this to be a response to
a harmonised policy which
addresses some of the limitations
of the intra-rir policy and
proposes a solution for an
inter-rir transfer which
minimizes the foreseen risks of
uncontrolled outflow of resources.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Please
find the proposals text below and
also attached pdf format.<br>
<br>
Happiest Weekend,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Noah
on behalf of<br>
The Co-authors<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Policy
Name: <b>AFRINIC Number Resources
Transfer Policy</b><br>
ID: (Assigned by AFRINIC)<br>
Submission <b>Date: 17 Oct 2020</b><br>
Version: 1.0<br>
Author(s): (a) Name, (b) Email
address, (c) Affiliation, if
applicable<br>
Gregoire Olaotan Ehoumi, <a href="mailto:gregoire@ehoumi.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gregoire@ehoumi.net</a>,
independent<br>
Noah Maina, <a href="mailto:noah.maina@seacom.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah.maina@seacom.com</a>,
SEACOM<br>
Adeola A. P. Aina, <a href="mailto:alain.aina@wacren.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">alain.aina@wacren.net</a>,
WACREN<br>
<br>
<b>Sections of Policy Manual
affected<br>
</b><br>
<b>Obsoletes</b>: IPv4 Resources
transfer within the AFRINIC Region
(Section 5.7 of the CPM)<br>
<br>
<b>1.0 Summary of the problem
being addressed by this proposal</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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</b>The AFRINIC IPv4 pool is
expected to run out soon. Some
entities may need IPv4 space to
support their IPv6 deployments,
especially to support transition
mechanisms, which AFRINIC may not
meet. The current Intra-RIR policy
in force at AFRINIC allows
entities to receive unused IPv4
addresses from other members
solely within the AFRINIC region,
based on justified needs.
Considering the limited IPv4 space
initially made available to
AFRINIC (AFRINIC manages only 7.23
/8s with a very low ratio of IPv4
addresses per Internet user),
there will therefore be a need to
allow for unused IPv4 from other
regions to move into the AFRINIC
service region °V this without
necessarily depleting AFRINIC's
slim amount of IPv4 addresses by
transferring space out of the
region. The current Intra-RIR
transfer policy allows all types
of IPv4 allocations/assignments to
be transferred, including IPv4
from special purpose blocks
(reserved blocks for IXPs and DNS
root ops, Last /8, etc.) The
current intra-RIR transfer policy
does not cover ASNs while there
are cases where transfers of ASNs
among AFRINIC members is
desirable.<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>2.0 Summary of how this
proposal addresses the problem</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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</b>This new policy defines a set
of rules to allow transfer of IPv4
addresses and ASNs within the
AFRINIC service region; and
between the AFRINIC service region
and other regions by specifying
what categories of resources are
eligible for transfer, the
location of parties (sources and
recipients) and the conditions to
be met.<br>
The policy segregates resources in
different categories and defines
which transfer rules apply to each
category.<br>
Only Legacy resources and
resources transferred in from
other regions will be transferable
out of the AFRINIC service region.<br>
The policy also makes the
following provisions:<br>
- Number resources are
non-transferable unless AFRINIC
has expressly and in writing
approved a request for transfer.
AFRINIC is tasked with making
prudent decisions on whether to
approve the transfer of number
resources.<br>
- IPv4 addresses and ASNs can be
transferred only in accordance
with this policy. <br>
- AFRINIC does not recognize
transfers outside of approved
transfer policies and requires
organizations holding such
resources to return them to the
appropriate registries.<br>
The goal of this transfer policy
is to help distribute resources
from those who no longer need them
to organizations that need the
resources, but cannot obtain them
from the AFRINIC free pools.<br>
AFRINIC recognizes the following
types of transfers:<br>
- merger, acquisition, takeover or
consolidation,<br>
- between AFRINIC members,<br>
- between an AFRINIC member and an
organization in another region,<br>
- between a Legacy resource holder
and an AFRINIC member,<br>
- between a Legacy resource holder
and an organization in another
region.<br>
AFRINIC will process and record
Inter-RIR resource transfers only
when the counterpart RIR has an
Inter-RIR transfer policy that
permits the transfer of IPv4
address space and ASNs between its
own region and AFRINIC. Currently,
the other regions are APNIC, ARIN,
LACNIC, RIPE NCC.<br>
<br>
<b>3.0 Proposal</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><b><br>
</b>Insert the following text into
the CPM (numbering to be changed
by staff as appropriate):<br>
3.1 Definitions<br>
3.1.1 "Resource" refers to IPv4
Address space or Autonomous System
Numbers.<br>
"AFRINIC pool" means the AFRINIC
managed pool of IPv4 and ASNs,
obtained from IANA (allocated and
recovered) or through the ERX
(Early registration transfers).<br>
3.1.2 "Special-Purpose pool" means
the pool of resources currently
reserved for Critical Internet
Infrastructures (section 5.6.4 of
CPM) and resources distributed
during the Exhaustion phases of
the soft landing policy (section
5.4 of CPM).<br>
3.1.3 "Legacy resources" refer to
resources allocated prior to the
RIR system and tagged as Legacy by
AFRINIC.<br>
3.1.4 "Others" means resources
transferred from other regions
through Inter-RIR transfers.<br>
3.1.5 "Inter-RIR transfer" means
the transfer of resources from a
resource holder in the AFRINIC
service region to an organization
in another region or vice-versa.<br>
<br>
<b>3.2 Marking of the resources</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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pool == Regional<br>
Special-Purpose pool == Reserved<br>
Legacy == Legacy<br>
Others == Global<br>
<br>
<b>3.3 Rules and procedures for
selecting resources eligible for
transfers</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">3.3.1
If source and recipient are
AFRINIC members, then allow
"Regional", "Global" or "Legacy"
for transfer and mark transferred
"Legacy" as "Global".<br>
3.3.2 If source is Legacy holder
and recipient is AFRINIC member,
then allow "Legacy" for transfer
and mark transferred resources as
"Global".<br>
3.3.3 If source is Legacy holder
and recipient is in another
region, then allow "Legacy" for
transfer.<br>
3.3.4 If source is AFRINIC member
and recipient is in another
region, then allow "Global" for
transfer.<br>
3.3.5 If source is from another
region and recipient is AFRINIC
member, then allow "Any", and then
mark the transferred resources as
"Global".<br>
3.3.6 Irrespective of the source
and recipient, if the resource to
be transferred is "Reserved" then
deny transfer. This restriction
excludes mergers, acquisitions and
takeover transfers.<br>
<br>
<b>3.4 Conditions on resources to
be transferred</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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The size of the IPv4 address
prefix should be a minimum of /24.<br>
- The resource must qualify for
the type of transfer requested.<br>
- The resource will be covered by
AFRINIC policies after transfer
into the region.<br>
<br>
<b>3.5 Conditions on the source<br>
</b>- Must be the right holder of
the resources to be transferred
with no disputes.<br>
- If the source is from other
regions, conditions on the source
are defined in the counterpart
RIRs transfer policy.<br>
<br>
<b>3.6 Conditions on the recipient</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">-
Will be subject to current AFRINIC
policies.<br>
- Must sign RSA.<br>
- Recipient that does not have
prior resources must:<br>
++ demonstrate a detailed plan for
the use of the transferred
resources<br>
(in the case of ASN, the recipient
must meet the criteria for
assignment of ASN).<br>
- Recipient with prior resources
must:<br>
++ demonstrate a detailed plan for
the use of the transferred
resources<br>
(in the case of ASN, the recipient
must meet the criteria for
assignment of ASN).<br>
++ Show past usage rate.<br>
++ Provide evidence of compliance
with AFRINIC policies with respect
to past allocations/assignments.<br>
- If the recipient is in another
region, the conditions on the
recipient are defined in the
counterparts RIR transfer policy.<br>
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<b> 4. References</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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</b><a href="https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf</a><br>
<a href="https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/</a><br>
<a href="https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html</a><br>
<a href="https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html</a><br>
<a href="ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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