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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi AK,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I disagree. “The draft policy shall be …” then you have “The Working Group Chair(s) may …”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Note the order, this is plain English. You need to *<b>do</b>* in the stated order, not a different one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And you are missing the previous text in 3.4 which states:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>“Anyone can submit a proposal. Policy proposals are submitted to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><span lang=EN-US>rpd@afrinic.net</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>) by the author. AFRINIC will provide administrative support and assist the author(s) in drafting the proposal if requested. AFRINIC shall also provide relevant facts and statistics if requested during the discussion.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And you are also missing 3.4.1 previous paragraph:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>“During the development of policy, draft versions of the document are made available for review and comment by publishing them on the AFRINIC website and posting them to the </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><span lang=EN-US>rpd@afrinic.net</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> mailing list. Each draft policy is assigned a unique identifier by AFRINIC and the AFRINIC website shall also contain the version history and the status of all proposals.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, the order is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Authors send a proposal. AFRINIC staff (not co-chairs) could offer support.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>AFRINIC staff shall assign an identifies and publish in the web site.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Co-chairs could ask the staff for inputs (which it is actually done by default by staff already – analysis impact). But of course, co-chairs can ask for further clarifications, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The order is *<b>extremely relevant</b>* and if you change it, you violate the CPM. As you said, it is written in clear english!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The PDP is our law and the interpretation is only possible *<b>following the strict order</b>*. Reordering means breaking it as it happens with any law!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>An example (a bit exagerated so is easier to see), if you have a law for speed limit in the road:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The driving speed limit in this road is 100 Km/h.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>You get a fine.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If you change the order, the consequence is clear, you get a fine, even if you aren’t over the speed limit!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You said “<b>As an author of so many proposals yourself, you know quite well that it takes some time to process this thing and announce on the mailing list</b>”. Yes, what I do is to use the staff (staff, not co-chairs) path, because I agree that a proposal in the web site is *<b>easier</b>* to read, the staff can already provide the proposal indentifier, some times they may discover a typo, or do some suggestions, etc., and there *<b>usually</b>* there is no need to hurry up with the annoucement in the list. However what I’m doing, voluntarely is not a *<b>must</b>* for all the proposals/authors which follow the CPM just by sending it straitht to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Sometimes, in fact, I should said that this “publication” process is extremely slow, and should not be like that. The staff should be able to publish a proposal even if there were one every other day (which clearly is not the case, I’m just exigerating), because the time it takes to a) assign and ID, b) make it in the policy proposal web page, *<b>realistically</b>* takes just *<b>minutes</b>*.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I also suggested the staff some time ago, they this can be simplified by an automated form (like LACNIC and APNIC is doing), which (if there is no inputs from the staff), could just mean the staf just need to “click” on the “publish” button to actually make it happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I fully understand that this is not your day job, and fully recognize it, and I’m very thankful for that. I’ve said this many times: I prefer to send another 100 proposals before being a co-chair. However, this part of the process is for the *<b>staff</b>* not the co-chairs, so even if you have *<b>any</b>* reservation, you can’t do anything about that, you *<b>can’t interfere</b>* with this part of the process. Doing so it is plain blatant wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 27/10/20 10:48, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks for your mail. However, the section is not broken, it was written in clear English. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please read it again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#757575'>The draft policy shall be available for review for at least four weeks before the next Public Policy Meeting. The author(s) shall make the necessary changes to the draft policy according to the feedback received. <b>The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal.</b></span><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b>Please note however that we never said we are not going to publish this proposal. As an author of so many proposals yourself, you know quite well that it takes some time to process this thing and announce on the mailing list. We don't work on these things full time and we get busy too some times. We have also had a meeting with you in the past before publishing one of your proposals. You know how this thing works sometimes. </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b>Yes, we have a reservation about this proposal because of a competing proposal is on the last call which is not an everyday situation therefore it requires that we look into it carefully. </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b>We would publish it as required by the CPM we only wanted to understand its impact on the community's time so that we can allow the community to make an informed decision about it. </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b>Please let us be patient and not jump into a quick conclusion. </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Co-Chair <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>PDWG<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:05 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi AK, all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is a totally broken interpretation of the PDP.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Section 3.4.1 is referring to ask for an impact analysis *<b>after</b>* a proposal has been submitted and published.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The PDP doesn’t allow the chairs to “hold” the publication of *<b>any</b>* proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The PDP, doesn’t disallow having competing proposals, *<b>never mind</b>* they are in any phase or even if they are “competing” with a ratified proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>In fact, that’s part of the PDP!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>We may have a policy, let’s suppose we have already and Inter-RIR policy, and part of the community things is wrong. They have the right to present another proposal to amend it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>It is just fine, and I will say very good, if you want to coordinate among different competing proposals authors to come together. Do you remember I asked for this before the Luanda meeting? But *<b>that</b>* can’t be used as an excuse to *<b>hold</b>* the publication of any proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>El 27/10/20 6:56, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Dear Noah,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>A Section of 3.4.1 of the CPM reads ...<span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#757575'> "The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal..." </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We are in the process of asking AFRINIC to provide us with an analysis/advice of how to handle this proposal since a competing proposal is already in the last call. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The community is made up of volunteers whose time are very precious. We want to reduce community burnout as much as we can and avoid wasting any one's time. You would agree with me that if the proposal in the last call is ratified then discussing this other one would amount to a waste of time. We have earlier received an analysis/advice on this issue and we this morning received a more detailed analysis/advice on how to proceed with this proposal and we would like to discuss this with you (the authors) so that we are all on the same page going forward. Please give us a time that is most suitable for you (the authors) and we arrange a zoom meeting. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In the meantime, we shall continue to carry out the necessary background work on this proposal. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Please accept our apologies for any delay in communicating this to you. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> Thanks </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Co-Chair </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PDWG</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:25 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Hi Co-chairs,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>The PDP does not allow Co-chairs to approve draft proposals submitted to the WG.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>The draft proposal has been submitted and is under discussion as per section 3.4 of the CPM and must be published by AFRINIC staff.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Can you please tell the WG what you want to discuss with the authors during this call which we did try to discuss openly after you rejected our motivated submission for version 3.0 with the reasons being that the proposal had expired. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><b>./noah</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>neo - network engineering and operations<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:31 AM ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Dear Noah,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>It is not yet published because we are still looking into it and we are planning a meeting with the Authors sometime soon. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Thanks and Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Co-Chair <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>PDWG<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, 19:20 Noah via pdwg, <<a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net" target="_blank">pdwg@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Attention PDWG Co-chairs,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Any reason this proposal has not been posted online on the AFRINIC website?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><b>./noah</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>neo - network engineering and operations<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:03 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Dear Working Group/Co-Chairs,<br><br>A new policy proposal named "AFRINIC resources transfer policy" is submitted for discussions. This proposal obsoletes the current IPv4 transfer within AFRINIC service region policy, defines rules for transfers of IPv4 and ASNs within the region and between the AFRINIC service region and other regions.<br><br>The policy allows a category of resources to be transferred out of the region, another category of resources to be transferred inside and denies the transfer of certain resources.<br><br>We expect this to be a response to a harmonised policy which addresses some of the limitations of the intra-rir policy and proposes a solution for an inter-rir transfer which minimizes the foreseen risks of uncontrolled outflow of resources.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Please find the proposals text below and also attached pdf format.<br><br>Happiest Weekend,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Noah on behalf of<br>The Co-authors<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>================================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Policy Name: <b>AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy</b><br>ID: (Assigned by AFRINIC)<br>Submission <b>Date: 17 Oct 2020</b><br>Version: 1.0<br>Author(s): (a) Name, (b) Email address, (c) Affiliation, if applicable<br> Gregoire Olaotan Ehoumi, <a href="mailto:gregoire@ehoumi.net" target="_blank">gregoire@ehoumi.net</a>, independent<br> Noah Maina, <a href="mailto:noah.maina@seacom.com" target="_blank">noah.maina@seacom.com</a>, SEACOM<br> Adeola A. P. Aina, <a href="mailto:alain.aina@wacren.net" target="_blank">alain.aina@wacren.net</a>, WACREN<br><br><b>Sections of Policy Manual affected<br></b><br><b>Obsoletes</b>: IPv4 Resources transfer within the AFRINIC Region (Section 5.7 of the CPM)<br><br><b>1.0 Summary of the problem being addressed by this proposal</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><b><br></b>The AFRINIC IPv4 pool is expected to run out soon. Some entities may need IPv4 space to support their IPv6 deployments, especially to support transition mechanisms, which AFRINIC may not meet. The current Intra-RIR policy in force at AFRINIC allows entities to receive unused IPv4 addresses from other members solely within the AFRINIC region, based on justified needs. Considering the limited IPv4 space initially made available to AFRINIC (AFRINIC manages only 7.23 /8s with a very low ratio of IPv4 addresses per Internet user), there will therefore be a need to allow for unused IPv4 from other regions to move into the AFRINIC service region °V this without necessarily depleting AFRINIC's slim amount of IPv4 addresses by transferring space out of the region. The current Intra-RIR transfer policy allows all types of IPv4 allocations/assignments to be transferred, including IPv4 from special purpose blocks (reserved blocks for IXPs and DNS root ops, Last /8, etc.) The current intra-RIR transfer policy does not cover ASNs while there are cases where transfers of ASNs among AFRINIC members is desirable.<br><br><br><b>2.0 Summary of how this proposal addresses the problem</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><b><br></b>This new policy defines a set of rules to allow transfer of IPv4 addresses and ASNs within the AFRINIC service region; and between the AFRINIC service region and other regions by specifying what categories of resources are eligible for transfer, the location of parties (sources and recipients) and the conditions to be met.<br>The policy segregates resources in different categories and defines which transfer rules apply to each category.<br>Only Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other regions will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service region.<br>The policy also makes the following provisions:<br>- Number resources are non-transferable unless AFRINIC has expressly and in writing approved a request for transfer. AFRINIC is tasked with making prudent decisions on whether to approve the transfer of number resources.<br>- IPv4 addresses and ASNs can be transferred only in accordance with this policy. <br>- AFRINIC does not recognize transfers outside of approved transfer policies and requires organizations holding such resources to return them to the appropriate registries.<br>The goal of this transfer policy is to help distribute resources from those who no longer need them to organizations that need the resources, but cannot obtain them from the AFRINIC free pools.<br>AFRINIC recognizes the following types of transfers:<br>- merger, acquisition, takeover or consolidation,<br>- between AFRINIC members,<br>- between an AFRINIC member and an organization in another region,<br>- between a Legacy resource holder and an AFRINIC member,<br>- between a Legacy resource holder and an organization in another region.<br>AFRINIC will process and record Inter-RIR resource transfers only when the counterpart RIR has an Inter-RIR transfer policy that permits the transfer of IPv4 address space and ASNs between its own region and AFRINIC. Currently, the other regions are APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE NCC.<br> <br><b>3.0 Proposal</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><b><br></b>Insert the following text into the CPM (numbering to be changed by staff as appropriate):<br>3.1 Definitions<br>3.1.1 "Resource" refers to IPv4 Address space or Autonomous System Numbers.<br>"AFRINIC pool" means the AFRINIC managed pool of IPv4 and ASNs, obtained from IANA (allocated and recovered) or through the ERX (Early registration transfers).<br>3.1.2 "Special-Purpose pool" means the pool of resources currently reserved for Critical Internet Infrastructures (section 5.6.4 of CPM) and resources distributed during the Exhaustion phases of the soft landing policy (section 5.4 of CPM).<br>3.1.3 "Legacy resources" refer to resources allocated prior to the RIR system and tagged as Legacy by AFRINIC.<br>3.1.4 "Others" means resources transferred from other regions through Inter-RIR transfers.<br>3.1.5 "Inter-RIR transfer" means the transfer of resources from a resource holder in the AFRINIC service region to an organization in another region or vice-versa.<br> <br><b>3.2 Marking of the resources</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>AFRINIC pool == Regional<br>Special-Purpose pool == Reserved<br>Legacy == Legacy<br>Others == Global<br> <br><b>3.3 Rules and procedures for selecting resources eligible for transfers</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>3.3.1 If source and recipient are AFRINIC members, then allow "Regional", "Global" or "Legacy" for transfer and mark transferred "Legacy" as "Global".<br>3.3.2 If source is Legacy holder and recipient is AFRINIC member, then allow "Legacy" for transfer and mark transferred resources as "Global".<br>3.3.3 If source is Legacy holder and recipient is in another region, then allow "Legacy" for transfer.<br>3.3.4 If source is AFRINIC member and recipient is in another region, then allow "Global" for transfer.<br>3.3.5 If source is from another region and recipient is AFRINIC member, then allow "Any", and then mark the transferred resources as "Global".<br>3.3.6 Irrespective of the source and recipient, if the resource to be transferred is "Reserved" then deny transfer. This restriction excludes mergers, acquisitions and takeover transfers.<br> <br><b>3.4 Conditions on resources to be transferred</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>- The size of the IPv4 address prefix should be a minimum of /24.<br>- The resource must qualify for the type of transfer requested.<br>- The resource will be covered by AFRINIC policies after transfer into the region.<br> <br><b>3.5 Conditions on the source<br></b>- Must be the right holder of the resources to be transferred with no disputes.<br>- If the source is from other regions, conditions on the source are defined in the counterpart RIRs transfer policy.<br> <br><b>3.6 Conditions on the recipient</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>- Will be subject to current AFRINIC policies.<br>- Must sign RSA.<br>- Recipient that does not have prior resources must:<br>++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of the transferred resources<br>(in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet the criteria for assignment of ASN).<br>- Recipient with prior resources must:<br>++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of the transferred resources<br>(in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet the criteria for assignment of ASN).<br>++ Show past usage rate.<br>++ Provide evidence of compliance with AFRINIC policies with respect to past allocations/assignments.<br>- If the recipient is in another region, the conditions on the recipient are defined in the counterparts RIR transfer policy.<br><br><b> 4. 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