<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>I think tensions are already high due to both sides not being really responsive to each other. However, we really should be objective and try to stay out of ad hominems. Remember that due to being culturally diverse, the sensitivity of people vary and we must accommodate the variety of cultures here. So you saying that it is not offensive might just be offensive to the one you are talking to. That's the way of diplomacy. That said, I would like to reiterate that there is no value added with this chain of messages unless we move out of the blame game and discuss professionally the matter at hand.<div><br></div><div>I would like to state also that's it's unfair to <b>derisively </b>say there are two camps and said camps are just echoing themselves. That's what is happening and it's logical since one group does not support and the other does. Of course, there's going to be repetitive confirmations. Conversely, don't you think that the other camp is also repetitive? But we don't bring that up because it doesn't add value. So let's dispense with this talk and instead engage with the proper points.<br><br>Lastly, I'd like to make it clear that I don't support the appeal for all the reasons listed above, the previous emails, and "echoed" by those I have the same views with. Do accept that.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, <br>Gaby</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:01 AM lucilla fornaro <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Mike, </div><div><br></div><div>Let me understand your point of view.</div><div>So, agreeing with someone else means belonging to a “puppet echo chamber” (which is an insult itself!)?</div><div><br></div><div>You talk about respect and objectiveness when you are insinuating the false and lacking respect for anyone who has a different opinion from you.</div><div><br></div><div>This is not a private talk at a coffee shop, you cannot cut out from the conversation people who disagree with you. You are accusing some members of pushing a proposal you disagree with and according to you, this means we belong to a kind of strange conspiracy gang. If I had a lot of free time I may end up thinking you are doing exactly the same by rejecting it. </div><div><br></div><div>Luckily, this is not a cult, this Afrinic and surprise surprise, Afrinic is a welcoming open community where DIFFERENT OPINIONS are not only accepted but encouraged. </div><div><br></div><div>Members have been consistently asking for more time and once they’ve received it they KEPT COMPLAINING because they now want something else. So my question is, what game are you playing? Because if there is something suspicious here, it comes from you and those who are equally confused about what they want. At least, my ideas are explicit.</div><div><br></div><div>I think there are enough childish quarrels, if you are really genuinely interested in Afrinic it is time to accept that someone may disagree with you.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Lucilla</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno dom 18 ott 2020 alle ore 20:47 Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Lamiaa </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for confirming (yet again) to the list members that you and several others seem to serve as an echo chamber for each other and for little other purpose - other than an attempt to manipulate the PDP.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Objectively there was nothing offensive or constituting a personal attack in what Fernando said and attempting to amplify that lie is offensive to all of us who engage in robust discussion on this list.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for your opinions on the appeal, frankly they are irrelevant. Hopefully the appeal committee will be objective and not manipulated by your echo chamber.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While I appreciate the co-chairs extension of the last call period, as others have pointed out, the extension does not substantively change the decision against which the appeal has been lodged.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sitting back and waiting for the flames from the sock puppet echo chamber </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 12:35, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Hello Fernando,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">First of all, I would like to report to the chairs your improper behaviour that consists of personally attacking and offending Lucilla. This should be taken seriously and shouldn’t go unnoticed so as to maintain a fair and sensible discussion on the list.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would also like to point out that now that the chairs have amended their decision, the appeal has become invalid. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please start showing a little respect for what the chairs are doing. Everything they voluntarily do is for the sake of this community.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lamiaa</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 18 oct. 2020 à 00:20, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Do not deceive yourself. 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