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    <p>I use Gmail, because i don't want to clog my official mailbox
      with irrelevances. However, I can't be label suspect.</p>
    <p>If you do not know the person, and is of interest to you then
      make effort to reach out to the person. Note, there maybe ghost
      IDs.</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/10/2020 7:58 am, Mark Elkins
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>Mike, I agree with your summary. I'd also add that people who
        use gmail addresses also add a little suspicion unless I
        actually know them.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/10/19 08:36, Mike Silber
        wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Amazing that my mail to “Lamiaa” is answered by
          “Lucilla” (with a quick response by “Gabi”).</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">This is a response to the list, as I see little
          point in responding to an identity whose provenance and
          identity is still uncertain.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I relish different opinions. For example - my
          friend Noah and I disagree on many things. However:</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">- I have met him;</div>
        <div dir="auto">- I have been on calls with him;</div>
        <div dir="auto">- I know what networks he operates;</div>
        <div dir="auto">- I know his technical background and
          experience.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">So when we disagree, I have to afford him the
          respect he deserves because I have data. I either understand
          his perspective (even though I think it may be wrong) or at
          least I understand his motivations.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Through it all - he has worked to earn the
          respect of all of us by his commitment to the community and
          the process.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">However, with you and your echo chamber and
          despite the cutesy introductions when I first raised my
          concern - I have never met you, never been on a call with you,
          don’t know what network you operate or your technical
          expertise. I don’t have any inclination of your perspective or
          motivation.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">As such, it seems that your (collective)
          motivation is to manipulate the process towards a particular
          objective.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">This is not the first time the mailing list has
          been manipulated and I am sure it won’t be the last. Some
          people I call (or used to call) friends have used sock puppets
          to manipulate process and spew hatred.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I am calling it out here because I think we have
          a problem that we have just swept under the rug before - we
          allow identities without confirmation to participate.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">For example - ICANN working groups have
          developed a “statement of interest” requirement for
          participation that tries to filter sock puppets and force
          disclosure of interest.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I think that the situation in the PDP has become
          so toxic that a similar requirement may be necessary.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Mike</div>
        <div><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at
              04:58, lucilla fornaro <<a
                href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Dear Mike, </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Let me understand your point of view.</div>
                  <div>So, agreeing with someone else means belonging to
                    a “puppet echo chamber” (which is an insult
                    itself!)?</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>You talk about respect and objectiveness when you
                    are insinuating the false and lacking respect for
                    anyone who has a different opinion from you.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This is not a private talk at a coffee shop, you
                    cannot cut out from the conversation people who
                    disagree with you. You are accusing some members of
                    pushing a proposal you disagree with and according
                    to you, this means we belong to a kind of strange
                    conspiracy gang. If I had a lot of free time I may
                    end up thinking you are doing exactly the same by
                    rejecting it. </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Luckily, this is not a cult, this Afrinic and
                    surprise surprise, Afrinic is a welcoming open
                    community where DIFFERENT OPINIONS are not only
                    accepted but encouraged. </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Members have been consistently asking for more
                    time and once they’ve received it they KEPT
                    COMPLAINING because they now want something else. So
                    my question is, what game are you playing? Because
                    if there is something suspicious here, it comes from
                    you and those who are equally confused about what
                    they want. At least, my ideas are explicit.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>I think there are enough childish quarrels, if
                    you are really genuinely interested in Afrinic it is
                    time to accept that someone may disagree with you.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>regards,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Lucilla</div>
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              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno dom 18 ott
                  2020 alle ore 20:47 Mike Silber <<a
                    href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>>
                  ha scritto:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Lamiaa </div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Thanks for confirming (yet again) to
                    the list members that you and several others seem to
                    serve as an echo chamber for each other and for
                    little other purpose - other than an attempt to
                    manipulate the PDP.</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Objectively there was nothing
                    offensive or constituting a personal attack in what
                    Fernando said and attempting to amplify that lie is
                    offensive to all of us who engage in robust
                    discussion on this list.</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">As for your opinions on the appeal,
                    frankly they are irrelevant. Hopefully the appeal
                    committee will be objective and not manipulated by
                    your echo chamber.</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">While I appreciate the co-chairs
                    extension of the last call period, as others have
                    pointed out, the extension does not substantively
                    change the decision against which the appeal has
                    been lodged.</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Mike</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Sitting back and waiting for the
                    flames from the sock puppet echo chamber </div>
                  <div><br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 18 Oct
                        2020 at 12:35, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a
                          href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="auto">Hello Fernando,</div>
                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto">First of all, I would like to
                            report to the chairs your improper behaviour
                            that consists of personally attacking and
                            offending Lucilla. This should be taken
                            seriously and shouldn’t go unnoticed so as
                            to maintain a fair and sensible discussion
                            on the list.</div>
                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto">I would also like to point out
                            that now that the chairs have amended their
                            decision, the appeal has become invalid. </div>
                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto">Please start showing a little
                            respect for what the chairs are doing.
                            Everything they voluntarily do is for the
                            sake of this community.</div>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Regards,</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Lamiaa</div>
                        <div><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 18
                              oct. 2020 à 00:20, Fernando Frediani <<a
                                href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                              a écrit :<br>
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                              <div dir="auto">
                                <div>Do not deceive yourself. There is
                                  an appeal ongoing before any possible
                                  ratification.</div>
                              </div>
                              <div dir="auto">
                                <div>
                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div dir="auto">Fernando</div>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 20:12 lucilla
                                      fornaro, <<a
                                        href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                <div>No, what I meant is
                                                  that we’ve been
                                                  discussing for
                                                  weeks, the end of the
                                                  last call has been
                                                  already announced. </div>
                                                <div>Co-chairs shouldn’t
                                                  make any changes to
                                                  that decision. The
                                                  policy shall now move
                                                  to ratification. </div>
                                                <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div dir="ltr"
                                                style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards,</div>
                                              <div dir="ltr"
                                                style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div dir="ltr"
                                                style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Lucilla </div>
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                                                  style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Da:</b>
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                                                <b
                                                  style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Inviato:</b>
                                                domenica, ottobre 18,
                                                2020 2:49 AM<br>
                                                <b
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                                                lucilla fornaro<br>
                                                <b
                                                  style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc:</b>
                                                ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE; rpd
                                                List<br>
                                                <b
                                                  style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Oggetto:</b>
                                                Re: [rpd] Reversal of
                                                Consensus on Resource
                                                Transfer Policy
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                                              <blockquote type="cite">On
                                                17 Oct 2020, at 19:36,
                                                lucilla fornaro <<a
                                                  href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                                  rel="noreferrer"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>Dear Co-chair,
                                                      dear community,
                                                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>I disagree
                                                        with this
                                                        extension of one
                                                        week. I don’t
                                                        see how this
                                                        further week can
                                                        do any good to a
                                                        discussion that
                                                        has already
                                                        reached its
                                                        purpose. </div>
                                                      <div>It is clear
                                                        that the
                                                        community
                                                        members have had
                                                        exhaustive time
                                                        to discuss the
                                                        policy.</div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      The end of the
                                                      last call for this
                                                      policy has already
                                                      been declared and
                                                      we should keep
                                                      moving forward
                                                      from that.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            I guess you meant send it
                                            back to discussion? I have
                                            previously asked the
                                            Co-chair to share with the
                                            community facts &
                                            figures on how this proposal
                                            have reached consensus...
                                            Until now, we have not seen
                                            nothing on this regards... 
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Luckily there is an
                                              appeal submitted.<br>
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                                                      <div dir="ltr">Regards,</div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr">Lucilla </div>
                                                    </div>
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                                              <div><br>
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                                              Regards,</div>
                                            <div>Darwin-.</div>
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                                                          domenica,
                                                          ottobre 18,
                                                          2020 1:03 AM<br>
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                                                          [rpd] Reversal
                                                          of Consensus
                                                          on Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy
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                                                          Despite our
                                                          belief that
                                                          this policy
                                                          has covered
                                                          almost all of
                                                          the concerns
                                                          raised
                                                          especially the
                                                          major
                                                          objections, we
                                                          would like to
                                                          give the
                                                          community more
                                                          time to
                                                          discern after
                                                          considering
                                                          the
                                                          community's
                                                          feedback on
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                                                          We, the
                                                          co-chairs,
                                                          have changed
                                                          our decision
                                                          and opt to
                                                          extend the
                                                          last call for
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