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    <p>Mike, I agree with your summary. I'd also add that people who use
      gmail addresses also add a little suspicion unless I actually know
      them.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/10/19 08:36, Mike Silber wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAE-cm4J-TfGznStG+WpNUYuSbBZRjSO_Prrer-xpGCSnkr+N5Q@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="auto">Amazing that my mail to “Lamiaa” is answered by
        “Lucilla” (with a quick response by “Gabi”).</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">This is a response to the list, as I see little
        point in responding to an identity whose provenance and identity
        is still uncertain.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">I relish different opinions. For example - my
        friend Noah and I disagree on many things. However:</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">- I have met him;</div>
      <div dir="auto">- I have been on calls with him;</div>
      <div dir="auto">- I know what networks he operates;</div>
      <div dir="auto">- I know his technical background and experience.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">So when we disagree, I have to afford him the
        respect he deserves because I have data. I either understand his
        perspective (even though I think it may be wrong) or at least I
        understand his motivations.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">Through it all - he has worked to earn the respect
        of all of us by his commitment to the community and the process.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">However, with you and your echo chamber and
        despite the cutesy introductions when I first raised my concern
        - I have never met you, never been on a call with you, don’t
        know what network you operate or your technical expertise. I
        don’t have any inclination of your perspective or motivation.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">As such, it seems that your (collective)
        motivation is to manipulate the process towards a particular
        objective.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">This is not the first time the mailing list has
        been manipulated and I am sure it won’t be the last. Some people
        I call (or used to call) friends have used sock puppets to
        manipulate process and spew hatred.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">I am calling it out here because I think we have a
        problem that we have just swept under the rug before - we allow
        identities without confirmation to participate.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">For example - ICANN working groups have developed
        a “statement of interest” requirement for participation that
        tries to filter sock puppets and force disclosure of interest.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">I think that the situation in the PDP has become
        so toxic that a similar requirement may be necessary.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">Mike</div>
      <div><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at
            04:58, lucilla fornaro <<a
              href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>Dear Mike, </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Let me understand your point of view.</div>
                <div>So, agreeing with someone else means belonging to a
                  “puppet echo chamber” (which is an insult itself!)?</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>You talk about respect and objectiveness when you
                  are insinuating the false and lacking respect for
                  anyone who has a different opinion from you.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>This is not a private talk at a coffee shop, you
                  cannot cut out from the conversation people who
                  disagree with you. You are accusing some members of
                  pushing a proposal you disagree with and according to
                  you, this means we belong to a kind of strange
                  conspiracy gang. If I had a lot of free time I may end
                  up thinking you are doing exactly the same by
                  rejecting it. </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Luckily, this is not a cult, this Afrinic and
                  surprise surprise, Afrinic is a welcoming open
                  community where DIFFERENT OPINIONS are not only
                  accepted but encouraged. </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Members have been consistently asking for more time
                  and once they’ve received it they KEPT COMPLAINING
                  because they now want something else. So my question
                  is, what game are you playing? Because if there is
                  something suspicious here, it comes from you and those
                  who are equally confused about what they want. At
                  least, my ideas are explicit.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I think there are enough childish quarrels, if you
                  are really genuinely interested in Afrinic it is time
                  to accept that someone may disagree with you.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>regards,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Lucilla</div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno dom 18 ott
                2020 alle ore 20:47 Mike Silber <<a
                  href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>>
                ha scritto:<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Lamiaa </div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">Thanks for confirming (yet again) to the
                  list members that you and several others seem to serve
                  as an echo chamber for each other and for little other
                  purpose - other than an attempt to manipulate the PDP.</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">Objectively there was nothing offensive
                  or constituting a personal attack in what Fernando
                  said and attempting to amplify that lie is offensive
                  to all of us who engage in robust discussion on this
                  list.</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">As for your opinions on the appeal,
                  frankly they are irrelevant. Hopefully the appeal
                  committee will be objective and not manipulated by
                  your echo chamber.</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">While I appreciate the co-chairs
                  extension of the last call period, as others have
                  pointed out, the extension does not substantively
                  change the decision against which the appeal has been
                  lodged.</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">Mike</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">Sitting back and waiting for the flames
                  from the sock puppet echo chamber </div>
                <div><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 18 Oct
                      2020 at 12:35, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a
                        href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">Hello Fernando,</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">First of all, I would like to
                          report to the chairs your improper behaviour
                          that consists of personally attacking and
                          offending Lucilla. This should be taken
                          seriously and shouldn’t go unnoticed so as to
                          maintain a fair and sensible discussion on the
                          list.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">I would also like to point out
                          that now that the chairs have amended their
                          decision, the appeal has become invalid. </div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Please start showing a little
                          respect for what the chairs are doing.
                          Everything they voluntarily do is for the sake
                          of this community.</div>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">Regards,</div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">Lamiaa</div>
                      <div><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 18
                            oct. 2020 à 00:20, Fernando Frediani <<a
                              href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                            a écrit :<br>
                          </div>
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                            <div dir="auto">
                              <div>Do not deceive yourself. There is an
                                appeal ongoing before any possible
                                ratification.</div>
                            </div>
                            <div dir="auto">
                              <div>
                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                </div>
                                <div dir="auto">Fernando</div>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                    Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 20:12 lucilla
                                    fornaro, <<a
                                      href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                  </div>
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                                        <div>
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                                              <div>No, what I meant is
                                                that we’ve been
                                                discussing for
                                                weeks, the end of the
                                                last call has been
                                                already announced. </div>
                                              <div>Co-chairs shouldn’t
                                                make any changes to that
                                                decision. The policy
                                                shall now move to
                                                ratification. </div>
                                              <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"
                                              style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards,</div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"
                                              style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"
                                              style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Lucilla </div>
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                                              <b
                                                style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Inviato:</b>
                                              domenica, ottobre 18, 2020
                                              2:49 AM<br>
                                              <b
                                                style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">A:</b>
                                              lucilla fornaro<br>
                                              <b
                                                style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc:</b>
                                              ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE; rpd
                                              List<br>
                                              <b
                                                style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Oggetto:</b>
                                              Re: [rpd] Reversal of
                                              Consensus on Resource
                                              Transfer Policy
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                                            <blockquote type="cite">On
                                              17 Oct 2020, at 19:36,
                                              lucilla fornaro <<a
                                                href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                                rel="noreferrer"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <br>
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                                              <div dir="ltr">
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                                                  <div>Dear Co-chair,
                                                    dear community,
                                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I disagree with
                                                      this extension of
                                                      one week. I don’t
                                                      see how this
                                                      further week can
                                                      do any good to a
                                                      discussion that
                                                      has already
                                                      reached its
                                                      purpose.
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>It is clear
                                                      that the community
                                                      members have had
                                                      exhaustive time to
                                                      discuss the
                                                      policy.</div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    The end of the last
                                                    call for this policy
                                                    has already been
                                                    declared and we
                                                    should keep moving
                                                    forward from that.<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          I guess you meant send it back
                                          to discussion? I have
                                          previously asked the Co-chair
                                          to share with the community
                                          facts & figures on how
                                          this proposal have reached
                                          consensus... Until now, we
                                          have not seen nothing on this
                                          regards... 
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Luckily there is an
                                            appeal submitted.<br>
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                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr">Regards,</div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr">Lucilla </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            Regards,</div>
                                          <div>Darwin-.</div>
                                          <div><br>
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                                                        ABDULKARIM
                                                        OLOYEDE <<a
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rel="noreferrer" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br>
                                                        <b
                                                          style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Inviato:</b>
                                                        domenica,
                                                        ottobre 18, 2020
                                                        1:03 AM<br>
                                                        <b
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                                                        rpd List<br>
                                                        <b
                                                          style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Oggetto:</b>
                                                        [rpd] Reversal
                                                        of Consensus on
                                                        Resource
                                                        Transfer Policy
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                                                        Despite our
                                                        belief that this
                                                        policy has
                                                        covered almost
                                                        all of the
                                                        concerns raised
                                                        especially the
                                                        major
                                                        objections, we
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                                                        give the
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                                                        time to discern
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                                                        considering the
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                                                        We, the
                                                        co-chairs, have
                                                        changed our
                                                        decision and opt
                                                        to extend the
                                                        last call for
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