<div><div dir="auto">Hey Mike,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">First, as you clearly posited in your email above, you can work in a shareholder and, at the same time, represent your personal opinions, right? In that case, if working in your model means that your personal opinion would always contradict what you work in to say there are NO biases, then that's just counterproductive, isn't it?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Well, it's the same for me. I think my proposal could do good for this community, regardless if the company I have provided my services for once, benefits or not. And honestly speaking, I don’t even know whether the organisation you are referring to will be benefited or not. I proposed it solely because I believe it’s good for the Internet and the community in general. </div><div dir="auto">As you can see in our previous discussion, I believe Jordi’s proposal is too intrusive and out of the scope of AFRINIC, that’s why I proposed this current policy. No one has told me how my proposal will affect the organisation in either a good way or bad way. Frankly, if you disagree with me regarding the proposal per se, that’s your freedom.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One could also make the case that you're just working for the sole benefit of Liquid Telecom or whatever organization you’re associated with.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As I said, this is my personal input on the matter. You can't just disregard my opinion because it is somehow by chance favorable to a shareholder I have been associated with. You're basically in the same boat as I am, but you are castigating me for doing something you've already done, which is quite hypocritical.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, to get this clear for once, anything added besides constructive comments on the policy itself in this thread is totally irrelevant to the discussion whether it is my CV, social media info or extracurricular activities. What we shall focus on here is solely policy development. Furthermore, I would be more than happy to disclose any information when asked privately, but not under a thread of important policy discussion because it’s clearly off topic. Let’s not make this whole thing into a personal attack on one’s credentials when we are supposed to be focusing on the policy.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lamiaa</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 11:53, Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">I have 30 years of experience in dealing with abuse complaints.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When I represent my employer I use my official work email. When I use my personal email, it is to reflect my personal opinions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your criticism of the policy and your new proposal seem designed to promote your employer’s current business model.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think it is disingenuous to pretend that is your “personal” opinion.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As such, I would consider your utterances with more credibility if they were not pretending to be personal opinions but rather stated as being reflective of your employer’s position.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 12:06, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><br></div><div dir="auto">Hey Mike,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since you are so curious about my life, which is none of your business, I speak 4 languages, which have brought me the opportunity of translating the Larus website. (Which explains the communications specialist experience in my profile, what can I say, I’m trying to put as much as I can on my CV to boost up my profile to future opportunities)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All this aside, I do not have to explain myself to you or to anyone else in this list, and I will not allow this strategy of yours of diverting the attention from the policy to my personal life and my social media profiles instead. You have NO right of publishing my info on the list without my approval !! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am asking the chairs to seriously condemn this behaviour on the list because it is getting out of hand and it has become obvious bullying and interference in personal matters. I want this picture removed from this list and the archives.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lamiaa</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 10:53, Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Your LinkedIn profile says you are a Laurus Foundation employee and not a fellow.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Which one is it?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><img src="cid:17540461fbfeeb3082e1" style="width: 462px; max-width: 100%;"></div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 11:48, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div dir="auto">Dear Mike,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope you have read through my proposal, even though the official announcement has not been done yet. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, I do not understand what you mean by is this a Larus proposal ? As shown on the website, it is my and Wijdane’s proposal. I have been discussing the abuse matter intensively on the list with Jordi, which only solution I could find to improve it, is to come up with another version of the policy.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But, to clarify your confusion, I have been a fellow with Afrinic, Internet Society and Larus. I am also an undergraduate Architecture student, exploring many fields of Interest.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyways, this proposal is proposed by me, Lamiaa, as a member of the community and as someone from Africa. Affiliation does not make proposals, people do, and this is MY proposal. Following your logic,I would like know as well, are your comments made by Liquid Telecom or ICANN ? Or any other organization that you’ve worked with ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This proposal is created for the good of the community, and if you don’t like it, or there’s anything wrong with it, you can feel free to oppose to it with valid objection – and an objection such as the “proposal is made by Lamiaa who is from LF” is obviously not a valid one .</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am looking forward to your inputs about the policy itself.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lamiaa</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 10:13, Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Hi Lamiaa</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is see you work for the Laurus Foundation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is this a Laurus proposal?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 at 22:29, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I would like to seize the occasion to propose a new version of the Abuse Contact policy , which you will find attached below.</div><div><br></div><div>I am looking forward to hearing your inputs and contributions.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Lamiaa</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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