<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">French version bellow </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear Madhvi,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For the sake of not adding a layer of confusion to what is already going on, it would have been good to compile the responses from all other RIRs and submit a comprehensive and comparative table.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It would not be advisable that authors engage as you suggested through <a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pdwg@afrinic.net</a> to further discuss this matter. Let us not turn our PDP affairs to other RIRs. </div><div dir="auto">We shall not also each be sending a new version of proposal in response to reciprocity/ compatibility check.</div><div dir="auto">We shall rather rely on staff assessment as per PDP</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Cher Madhvi,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Afin de ne pas ajouter une couche de confusion à ce qui se passe déjà, il aurait été bon de compiler les réponses de tous les autres RIR et de soumettre un tableau complet et comparatif.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> Il ne serait pas souhaitable que les auteurs s'engagent comme vous l'avez suggéré via <a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net">pdwg@afrinic.net</a> pour discuter davantage de cette question. Ne tournons pas nos affaires de PDP vers d'autres RIR.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nous n'enverrons pas non plus chacun une nouvelle version de proposition en réponse à un contrôle de réciprocité / compatibilité.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nous nous fierons plutôt à l'évaluation du personnel conformément au PDP. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">--</div><div dir="auto">Arnaud </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 9 oct. 2020 à 15:01, Madhvi Gokool <<a href="mailto:madhvi@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">madhvi@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear PDWG</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC has received partial feedback to its query and would like to report on the feedback received to the community. To note that the proposal AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 was also shared with the RIRs when it was submitted in Sep 2020.</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">ARIN has responded that the Resource Transfer Policy is not compatible with their inter-RIR transfer policies because of the following statement therein - </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">“The source must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR and shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"> would require a source in the ARIN region to comply with AFRINIC RIR policies.</span></p></li>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC - You will find that both AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 & AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03, versions that were shared with the RIRs contain this statement.</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">APNIC has responded that for </span></p></li>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;margin-left:36pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 - Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-3), the APNIC inter-RIR policy is not compatible with the current text, especially “The source must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR and shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”</span></p></li>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC - You will find that AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 version that was shared with the RIRs also contain this statement.</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;margin-left:36pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"> AFPUB-2019-GEN-002-DRAFT02 - AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy</span></p></li>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"> "Only Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other regions will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service region."</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">Not compatible as it is not fully reciprocal and bi-directional in nature. The proposal only allows transfer of legacy resources and resources that been transferred into AFRINIC, and NOT resources from the AFRINIC pool. In principle, APNIC allows outgoing transfer of resources from the APNIC pool, but has a 5-year transfer restriction for 103/8 space.</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;margin-left:36pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT04 - IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) Draft-4</span></p></li>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">Compatible for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers. However there is ambiguity about APNIC to AFRINIC ASN transfers. We understand the text below allows transfer of ASNs out of AFRINIC region if they meet certain conditions. Does it imply transfer of incoming ASNs into AFRINIC is allowed?</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">"5.7.4 Transfer of ASN with IPv4 Resources</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">At the AFRINIC discretion, in the case where over 50% of the IPv4 resources associated with an ASN are being transferred, that ASN may also be transferred at the same time."</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC - We shall clarify this with APNIC as from next week.
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</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"><b style="font-weight:normal" id="m_1555374190144568303m_985735087426611052docs-internal-guid-a16e1e94-7fff-4dc9-af52-75bdb7141d10"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"></span></b>To conclude , please note that as we receive further updates from the RIRs, we shall keep the working group informed. Should the authors of the 3 policy proposals require further inputs and clarifications regarding reciprocity/compatibility, we recommend that they submit same to <a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">pdwg@afrinic.net</a> . We shall then do the needful and liaise with the RIRs.</span><b style="font-weight:normal" id="m_1555374190144568303m_985735087426611052docs-internal-guid-a16e1e94-7fff-4dc9-af52-75bdb7141d10"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;white-space:pre-wrap"></span></b><b style="font-weight:normal" id="m_1555374190144568303m_985735087426611052docs-internal-guid-a16e1e94-7fff-4dc9-af52-75bdb7141d10"><b style="font-weight:normal" id="m_1555374190144568303m_985735087426611052docs-internal-guid-a16e1e94-7fff-4dc9-af52-75bdb7141d10">
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<div>On 23/09/2020 9:51 AM, Madhvi Gokool
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Dear PDWG<br>
<p>During the Policy discussions in the AFRINIC-32 PPM on 17 Sep
2020, there was a debate regarding the reciprocity of one
inter-RIR transfer policy proposal with ARIN. The Policy Liaison
had responded that since there are 3 policy proposals under
discussion and that two of them had undergone revision in 2020 ,
AFRINIC shall contact ARIN to get their authoritative response
in regard to the reciprocity of all the <b>3 proposals</b>.</p>
<p>Since the LACNIC, RIPE and APNIC RIRs all have inter-RIR
transfer policies, and we, AFRINIC do not have their assessment
of the reciprocity of the 3 policy proposals under discussion on
record, AFRINIC has therefore reached out to all 4 RIRs to
get their inputs regarding the reciprocity of the<b> three </b>policy
proposals that were discussed in the AFRINIC PPM last week.</p>
<p>We shall update you once we have received the updates from the
4 RIRs. "<br>
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<p>Kind Regards</p>
Madhvi <br>
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