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    <p>Hi,<br>
      <br>
      Based on your statement, then the change that has been introduced
      should be removed and handled in a separate policy change.</p>
    <p>But a change is required for reciprocity with other RIRs.  What
      we're saying and asking is to please maintain the status quo for
      intra-RIR (within region) and inbound transfers from other RIRs,
      and ONLY relax the requirement that legacy space loses legacy
      status on OUTBOUND from the region transfers.<br>
      <br>
      This is the MINIMUM change required for reciprocity, and thus why
      we're requesting you to please amend the change to exactly this. 
      If you want to change the existing policy to allow legacy
      transfers in-region to maintain legacy status, then, as per your
      own statement below, that should be a whole different discussion
      and therefore a completely separate policy.<br>
      <br>
      Kind Regards,<br>
      Jaco<br>
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    On 2020/10/10 10:43, Ekaterina Kalugina wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Dear all,
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          <div dir="auto">I am fully with Mike and Elvis on this one.
            The legacy issue of compatibility has already been addressed
            by the authors of the policy. In addition, the issue of
            legacy should be a subject of a whole different discussion
            and therefore a completely separate policy. </div>
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          <div dir="auto">Also, Fernando, I think Mark is right - you
            are coming across as ad hominem. In addition, there have
            been multiple instances that I've seen in this list as well
            as experienced personally, when you make personal attacks on
            the speaker instead of their argument. This is not a way to
            go in a civilized discussion and I would kindly ask you to
            abstain from such behavior in the future.</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Best, </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
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          <div dir="auto">Ekaterina </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:28
          Ibeanusi Elvis <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">Dear community, </div>
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          <div dir="auto">I concur with the ideology that the issue of
            legacy space  has been addressed by the recently version of
            the proposal being submitted by Taiwo and Anthony. Which was
            conducted during the last call period whereby editorial
            changes are allowed in accordance with the CPM.
            Additionally, just as Mike stated, since ARIN allows the
            same policy with RIPE, it won’t be a problem for AFRINIC and
            also, Madhvi never stated that AFRINIC had an issue of
            reciprocity with ARIN. </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
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          <div dir="auto">Let’s try and move forward, by doing justice
            to this needed two-way Inter-RIR Resource Transfer Policy
            for the greater good of the African region.  +Mike. </div>
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          <div dir="auto">Elvis. </div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 at
                04:41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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                          style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Mike,</span></span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
                          style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">LACNIC
                          also has the same: Legacy is lost after
                          incoming transfers and it is a good protection
                          measure for the region. This is why both
                          LACNIC and AFRINIC communities (and I was not
                          involved in that, so not just my personal
                          view), had it already when they only had
                          intra-RIR.</span></span><span
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                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                          lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
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                          lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
                          9/10/20 19:39, "Mike Burns" <<a
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                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi
                      Jordi,</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
                      don’t think we are saying the same thing, except
                      we are saying the issue of legacy holders and fees
                      is a long and DIFFERENT discussion.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">It’s
                      possible that I did miss the text, but the most
                      recent post from AFRINIC regarding reciprocity
                      didn’t mention any ARIN problem with what we are
                      discussing  here, namely the retention of legacy
                      status after an inter-regional transfer.  Other
                      issues regarding legacy space seem to have been
                      adequately addressed by the most recent version of
                      the proposal. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since
                      ARIN allows this with RIPE, I doubt they have a
                      problem with AFRINIC.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Why
                      can’t AFRINIC have the same policy as RIPE in this
                      regard?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Can
                      you re-state your objection to the retention of
                      legacy status after a receipt of legacy addresses
                      into AFRINIC from another region?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
                      understand your objection to legacy space overall,
                      but if you could phrase your objection without
                      reference to that larger issue, it may help.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Because
                      settling that larger issue is outside the scope of
                      this proposal.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Mike</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b>From:</b>
                          JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 09, 2020 12:26 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> 'rpd List' <<a
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                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy
                          Proposal v.3.docx</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">We are saying the same,
                        see 2 above.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">However, that’s wrong,
                        because if both parties are legacy holders, they
                        aren’t bound to policies, so they should be
                        allowed to change the registration data.</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt">After all, legacy
                        holders, in my opinion, should not exist. But
                        that's a very long and different discussion.</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt">Regarding to the
                        reciprocity from other RIRs, I guess you missed
                        reading all the text … it talks about that. Is
                        not a problem for APNIC,  but it is for ARIN.
                        Anyway, it looks like it is partial feedback, I
                        think we should wait for a final assessment.</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El
                          9/10/20 18:12, "Mike Burns" <<a
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                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Hi
                      Jordi,</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Your
                      position is simply wrong, and it’s not limited to
                      ARIN.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Legacy
                      holders cannot transfer addresses in any RIR but
                      RIPE without adhering to RIR policy.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">I am
                      defining a transfer as a change in registration.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Of
                      course there are off-the-books transfers, this
                      policy has nothing to say about them, nor are they
                      recognized by any RIR.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Now
                      that your understanding about legacy transfers 
                      has been corrected, does it change your objection
                      at all?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">The
                      recent reports from other RIRs don’t mention the
                      legacy issue in terms of reviewing AFRNIC’s
                      inter-regional proposal, I will note.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Regards,<br>
                      Mike</p>
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                          JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 09, 2020 11:52 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy
                          Proposal v.3.docx</p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt">Hi Mike,</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">The ARIN case, is a bit
                        different, I know, it is a very long history …</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt">I stand on my position:
                        Legacy holders don’t need any policy to transfer
                        resources if both of them haven’t signed any RIR
                        RSA (or equivalent). The problem is:</span></p>
                    <p style="margin-left:106.8pt"><span>1)<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">      </span></span><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Often the receiver of the
                        transfer has signed in a RIR, so they “can’t
                        receive the legacy resources because they will
                        be against the policies”.</span></p>
                    <p style="margin-left:106.8pt"><span>2)<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">      </span></span><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">The RIR may not agree to
                        change the registration data (if the transfer is
                        among 2 legacy holders). </span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">1 above is
                          acceptable, but 2 is not.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span></p>
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                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">El
                          9/10/20 16:45, "Mike Burns" <<a
                            href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><b> </b></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><b>Hi
                        Jordi,</b></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">[Jordi] I think the staff
                        got it wrong. In my opinion, unless I’m missing
                        right now other special documents in any RIR,
                        none, of the RIRs can avoid legacy resources to
                        be transferred, because they aren’t not part of
                        the RIR system, we like it or not. Unless any of
                        the parties (source or destination) has signed
                        the RSA or an equivalent document binding them
                        to the relevant region policies. I guess that if
                        the transfer is among “2 legacy holders” even if
                        in different RIRs, the RIRs must allow the
                        update of the whois, etc. This is one of the
                        issues. The RIRs need to do all kind of services
                        for the legacy holders, *<b>for free</b>* and
                        the cost is covered by the membership. Not fair.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">Jordi, 
                      you are not correct here. Believe me, I was
                      attempting to transfer legacy resources at ARIN
                      before there was any transfer policy and it was
                      absolutely prohibited. Likewise after the ARIN
                      transfer policy was implemented, I attempted a
                      legacy transfer without a needs test and was
                      refused.  The world’s first official transfer was
                      all legacy space from Nortel to Microsoft and ARIN
                      would not allow it unless it followed policy. RIPE
                      has had a legacy transfer ability all along, as
                      far as I know. In APNIC you could not transfer
                      legacy space, nor at LACNIC. In fact, only at RIPE
                      was this allowed. Your feelings of unfairness are
                      just your feelings, they are not facts. Legacy
                      holders could claim to be progenitors of an
                      Internet that has benefitted humanity greatly, and
                      any grandfathered services are a small and fair
                      repayment of their early activity. Point is, it’s
                      an opinion and not a fact that should be dealt
                      with in a transfer policy.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">You
                      are holding up a policy based on fairness to prior
                      transferrers yet  you can’t identify any party who
                      has suffered this unfairness?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">Fees
                      avoided by legacy status are a very small issue
                      here, not something that should delay this
                      important policy.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">I
                      have brokered many inter-regional ARIN legacy
                      transfers to RIPE, retaining legacy status. So why
                      do you think the AFRINIC policy would somehow not
                      be compliant with other RIRs?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">You
                      don’t seem to understand ARIN’s legacy policy at
                      least. ARIN does not regard legacy holders as
                      outside of policy compliance. In point of fact,
                      ARIN has declared shared rights to Whois
                      registration between ARIN and legacy holders, and
                      ARIN will has never allowed a legacy transfer
                      outside of policy. ARIN controls the registry
                      according to its policies, and legacy holders must
                      comply, although ARIN does continue to provide
                      various legacy services for free. However, ARIN
                      will not provide some services like RPKI unless
                      legacy holders sign an RSA.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">Regards,<br>
                      Mike</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Since
                      then we have learned about malfeasance of AFRINIC
                      staff that may have played a part in these old
                      things.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">So
                      exactly how many of these transfers happened where
                      legacy space lost its status at AFRINIC, the
                      fairness of which concerns you so?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">[Jordi] Doesn’t matter in
                        my opinion. In terms of being fair, even if it
                        was just one case, if we remove that from the
                        CPM, the policy should provide a way to resolve
                        that, may be giving them the chance to recover
                        the fees and even return the status to legacy.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Legacy
                      holders have the same underlying relationship at
                      each RIR, and as I pointed out there is no single
                      manner in which legacy addresses are treated after
                      a transfer at other RIRs, so what consistency are
                      you trying to achieve regarding inter-regional
                      transfer policy reciprocity?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">[Jordi] They aren’t bound
                        to the CPM, they don’t pay any fees.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Your
                      declaration that legacy holders aren’t bound to
                      the CPM and that is “not good” is a value
                      judgement that shouldn’t be expressed in policy
                      regarding transfers. If you want to change the
                      status of the legacy relationship with AFRINIC, it
                      should be external to the needed transfer policy.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">[Jordi] There are 2
                        different things. 1) Removing in the transfers a
                        special case for legacy that has been there
                        already, 2) Resolving, if we can get an
                        agreement on that, how they pay for the cost of
                        the services and even better if they need to
                        sing the RSA and be bound to policies to keep
                        getting the services. 1, is there already, we
                        should not remove that. 2 is a new thing, we
                        should agree on the way forward for that – not
                        an easy task I guess.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">I
                      agree that AFRINIC should only have the ability to
                      retain legacy status for addresses received into
                      AFRINIC and not those sent out of AFRINIC to other
                      RIRs, whose policy should apply to addresses
                      received there.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Regards,<br>
                      Mike</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><b>From:</b>
                          JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 09, 2020 4:22 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy
                          Proposal v.3.docx</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES-TRAD">Hi Mike,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES-TRAD"> </span></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES-TRAD">Below,
                          in-line.</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                          lang="ES-TRAD"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES-TRAD"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES-TRAD"> </span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt">El
                          7/10/20 17:22, "Mike Burns" <<a
                            href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt">Hi
                      Jordi,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt">My
                      distilled points remain:</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                    <p style="margin-left:213pt"><span>1.<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">       </span></span>The
                      inter-regional transfer policy is way more
                      important than the 12 month wait, because the pool
                      will be drained soon with barely any refill
                      likely.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">[Jordi] Remember that the
                        pool may drain, but there may be resources
                        recovered or returned, either directly at
                        AFRINIC or from IANA, so there must be caution
                        about possible “replenishments”.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p style="margin-left:213pt"><span>2.<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">       </span></span>The 12
                      month wait for addresses received directly from
                      AFRINIC makes sense and I support that.</p>
                    <p style="margin-left:213pt"><span>3.<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">       </span></span>The
                      legacy issue is immaterial.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">[Jordi] The problem is
                        that legacy holders aren’t bound to CPM which is
                        not good. And because we have that now in the
                        existing policy, removing it creates a very
                        unfair situation with the previous transfers.
                        So, if we want to remove that, we should,
                        somehow, compensate to them as part of the
                        policy, and that’s much more complex that
                        keeping the non-legacy status for Intra-RIR and
                        incoming Inter-RIR. This way we keep the
                        reciprocity as well with other RIRs, because we
                        only impose the “non-legacy after a transfer” if
                        it happens in the region.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt">Regards,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt">Mike</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><b>From:</b>
                          JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 02, 2020 4:16 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy
                          Proposal v.3.docx</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span><span
                          style="font-size:12pt">Hi Mike,</span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span><span
                          style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Sorry the late response …
                        a bit “too much” busy the last few weeks.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Even if the possible
                        pillaging is small, we shall remember that:</span></p>
                    <p style="margin-left:213pt"><span>1)<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">      </span></span><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Even just /22-/24 are
                        needed for new operators or businesses to come
                        into the Internet and be able to support
                        IPv6-only networks with IPv4aaS. They need a
                        small pool of IPv4 addresses. I’m not so much
                        worried about existing ISPs, that have already
                        much more space than that, because they could
                        turn some of their existing IPv4 addresses from
                        customers CPEs, into IPv6-only and keep growing
                        or even go to the market and transfer addresses
                        – they have resources (a new business usually
                        don’t have so much financial resources and
                        anything they can save matters).</span></p>
                    <p style="margin-left:213pt"><span>2)<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman"">      </span></span><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Even if the AFRINIC pool
                        is emptied, new addresses are coming from
                        recovery, either via IANA or AFRINIC itself.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">So, as much
                          as we try to avoid bad practices, as much we
                          lower costs for AFRINIC and the membership.
                          Costs is not just about money and human
                          rerouces, but also about time that the
                          addresses can be reused instead of being
                          reclaimed and quaranteened afterwards.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">I was not
                          alone in LACNIC, in fact, I was not
                          participating in that too much compared with
                          IPv6 proposals at that time. In fact, you
                          should also recognize that when I introduced
                          the Inter-RIR proposals (I presented 2 of
                          them: legacy-only and comprehensive),  in the
                          first version, the community reached consensus
                          and recognized that a) it was the right time,
                          b) my recommendation for a comprehensive
                          proposal (versus a legacy only) reciprocal
                          with all RIRs, what the right one.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Note the
                          timing: LACNIC finally exhaused the pool last
                          August. One month before the Inter-RIR
                          proposal (which reached consensus one year
                          before) was implemented (as said, it takes 1
                          year to implement such policy). I didn’t had
                          the crystal ball, however, clearly we did in
                          the right timing. I insist in “we”. I was just
                          the author, the “community instrument”, but
                          all this is always a community thing.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:177pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">El
                          28/9/20 20:04, "Mike Burns" <<a
                            href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">Hello
                      list,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      would like to provide some input from experience.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      brokered the world’s first inter-regional transfer
                      back in 2012.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">Since
                      then we’ve brokered many hundreds of
                      inter-regional transfers.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      also wrote the ARIN transfer policy which allowed
                      for it to happen.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">A
                      significant policy change I made was the addition
                      of a 12 month waiting period before any
                      address-seller could access the remaining ARIN
                      free pool.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">Because
                      at that point in time, although an inter-regional
                      transfer policy was passed and ready to be
                      implemented at ARIN, it was being blocked due to a
                      particular concern. Which was that somebody in
                      APNIC would demonstrate a need for addresses,
                      which would be met by a willing ARIN seller. The
                      APNIC buyer could immediately resell those
                      addresses to somebody else in APNIC, and restore
                      the buyer’s justified need.  The ARIN seller,
                      having sold his addresses, is now in need and
                      could access the ARIN free pool to replenish. 
                      This action could be repeated by a pair of willing
                      participants in APNIC and ARIN to effectively
                      drain the remaining ARIN free pool.  Yes it’s
                      “fraud” but it was within policies at both RIRs.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">This
                      was the purpose of the 12 month waiting period on
                      sellers—to prevent them from pillaging the
                      remaining free pool. The situation is not exactly
                      the same here at AFRINIC, but I think if the
                      intent of the waiting period is to prevent sellers
                      from acquiring addresses from AFRINIC in order to
                      sell them, I support that. The limit should be on
                      addresses acquired directly from AFRINIC, though,
                      and not those purchased on the market, which I
                      believe should be re-sellable without limitations
                      in order to meet the varying business needs of
                      market participants.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      doubt there will be anything left to pillage by
                      the time this policy is implemented, but we should
                      all be against the idea of a company acquiring
                      addresses from AFRINIC by demonstrating need for
                      them, only to turn around and sell them on the
                      market. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">Legacy
                      addresses still provide the bulk of transfer
                      sources. We don’t find them to be more attractive
                      for most buyers because the benefits attached to
                      legacy addresses are few, and the problems
                      growing. The benefits are no RIR fees and no
                      resale limits for RIPE legacy addresses. The
                      problems are difficulties implementing RPKI on
                      legacy space.  The legacy issue is a side-issue,
                      but I believe retaining legacy status after an
                      inter-regional transfer INTO AFRINIC will
                      incentivize some transfers. We know that buyers
                      who prefer legacy space register that space in
                      RIPE, and possibly those buyers would also look
                      into AFRINIC registration should it be possible to
                      retain legacy status.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      support the policy as written.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      would also support it with a 12-month wait because
                      this will soon be moot.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">I
                      would also support it without the legacy status
                      retention because this is a mild benefit at best.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">Just
                      get it done. The delays at LACNIC stretched on for
                      years, with Inter-regional policy proposals being
                      shot down over and over, more than once with the
                      help of Jordi!  But Jordi has seen the value of
                      inter-regional transfers and the importance of a
                      global market, and it should be clear to everybody
                      that AFRINIC is now the only region placed outside
                      that market. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt">Regards,<br>
                      Mike Burns</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><b>From:</b>
                          JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 4:38
                          AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy
                          Proposal v.3.docx</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Responding to several
                        emails at once …</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">I don’t
                          agree with Fernando in the rush, I think is
                          urgent to do something, but if we fail in the
                          last call, it is just fine *<b>if</b>* the
                          board agree to either make their own policy
                          (according to the bylaws), or even better,
                          make sure to have a focussed meeting on
                          December (if this fails they still can do a
                          policy). Obviously it is clear that I prefer
                          that the community resolve it, but we can’t
                          just wait anymore.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The
                          economies are different, but basically they
                          are different in the matter of the delay in
                          what it happens, so yes, somehow LACNIC
                          survived, and in part this was due to
                          transfers under the table, which is a terrible
                          thing to happen.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The
                          Intra-RIR transfers will not resolve the
                          problem, why, because operators and business
                          in AFRICA are growing, and very few are moving
                          to IPv6-only with IPv4aaS, so it is
                          objectibely impossible that exisitng operators
                          don’t need anymore IPv4 addresses and transfer
                          them to new ones!</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Now,
                          regarding the point on “we can get this policy
                          working” and then resolve the issues with
                          another proposal … I will love to believe in
                          that, but I’m every day more and more
                          convinced that this will not happen. If we
                          don’t get it right (or almost right on the
                          first shot), we will not agree in 1 year to
                          resolve it. I will love to be wrong!</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The problem
                          I see with this proposal is that there are key
                          points that make it impossible to really work.
                          We can’t enforce a non-existing and new
                          template to other RIRs, we can’t enforce the
                          source to call to the destination RIR and
                          follow those policies, we can enforce a
                          procedure that is telling AFRINIC how to do
                          the things BUT we can’t enforcie the other
                          RIRs to do the same. There are already 4 other
                          RIRs which have agreed on how to do this, they
                          have adjusted their systems one after the
                          other to follow the first one (because it was
                          a good procedure and was working). Is all
                          about internal coordination systems among
                          RIRs, which the policy doesn’t need to stated.
                          I will agree that this is needed in a policy
                          if we want to ask AFRINIC do to some specific
                          steps which are only binding AFRINIC, but not
                          other RIRs (I’m speaking here in general, not
                          just for this policy).</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Let’s say
                          in another way. In any policy, if we let a RIR
                          to decide about operational details and they
                          fail, or it can be improved and they don’t do,
                          then we, as a community, have the right to
                          tell them “do this way”. Otherwise, is better
                          that operational details are handled by the
                          RIR.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Please,
                          read my points in:</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011429.html"
                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011429.html</span></a></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011430.html"
                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011430.html</span></a></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Those
                          points aren’t issues that I think are wrong in
                          terms of my “subjective view” on what should
                          be an Inter-RIR policy (such as the hold-time
                          and legacy when incoming). Those are objective
                          aspects of the proposal that will avoid it to
                          fly. It will require the other 4 RIRs to have
                          *<b>new</b>* policies to comply with that. Do
                          you really think this will happen, and in how
                          much time? I don’t think adjusting those
                          points change the authors and community
                          intend, they are just required clarifications.
                          The staff impact analysis already mention many
                          of those.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Will love
                          if the authors confirm if they will agree with
                          those points, or otherwise, state one by one,
                          why not.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">And one
                          more time, I think we all understand the
                          problem statement. We should not base our
                          debate on that. The 3 proposals are looking at
                          the same and in that context, because the
                          problem statement doesn’t go to the CPM is
                          somehow irrelevant.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:179.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:214.8pt">El
                          28/9/20 4:15, "lucilla fornaro" <<a
                            href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                        <div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black">dear all,</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black">Without being
                                catastrophic, I believe that the
                                activities for which the African economy
                                requires resources are mostly different
                                from Latin America, and differently
                                should be managed.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black">We cannot predict
                                when it will happen, and this should be
                                the main reason to solve the problem now
                                that we have time to manage it properly.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black">The resource
                                transfer policy proposed by Anthony and
                                Taiwo aims to build a stable and
                                effective resources management system
                                for the Afrinic service region. If we
                                start working for the resource problem
                                now, no matter of issues that will
                                potentially come up (like with any other
                                policy), there will be space to improve
                                them in the future.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black">regards,</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span
                                style="color:black">Lucilla </span></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                  </div>
                </div>
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                  <div>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:214.8pt">Il
                          giorno lun 28 set 2020 alle ore 10:02 Fernando
                          Frediani <<a
                            href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                          ha scritto:</p>
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                    <div>
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                          <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">There is no
                            "information" between quotes. If you don't
                            believe in it check on LACNIC website on
                            your own.</p>
                          <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">What a terrible
                            scenario is painted here where it could be
                            "terrible" not having a Inter-RIR transfer
                            policy as soon as possible.<br>
                            There is still IP space at a lower pace and
                            there are internal transfers. Clearly a
                            Inter-RIR transfer can wait a few more
                            months in order to get it right rather than
                            rush and get a bad policy. Co-Chairs
                            deciding "the region needs a transfer
                            policy" shows there is some rush in it that
                            can be delayed if they re-think and bring it
                            back to discussion to try to really find a
                            rough consensus which is far form existing
                            right now.</p>
                          <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">It is not
                            correct this proposal "works very well".
                            There are serious doubts, lacks confirmation
                            from staff and other RIRs and there has been
                            a very serious change in the very last
                            minute not giving anyone else chance to
                            discuss. So clearly this proposal is far
                            from ready to reach consensus.</p>
                          <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">Fernando</p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt">On 26/09/2020
                              01:53, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:</p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
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                    </div>
                  </div>
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                <div link="blue" vlink="purple"
                  style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="ES">
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <blockquote style="border-style:none none none
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                          <blockquote
                            style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:214.8pt">@Fernando,  </p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt">If you are
                                said you never mentioned not to do
                                anything, what then are you implying by
                                saying that “It took LACNIC 3years and
                                6months before they ran out completely”.
                                So we should wait for ours to almost run
                                out and drag the process along before we
                                do something about it? This scenario is
                                not as terrible? Rethink and review the
                                scenario again, judging by the
                                “information” you gave to us using
                                LACNIC, it might not have been bad or
                                terrible for them, but it might be for
                                us. They might have survived but we
                                might not. Put that into consideration
                                as well. </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt">Also, the
                                Resource Transfer Policy proposed by
                                Anthony and Taiwo works very well and
                                there is no rush into anything. </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt">The outcome
                                might not be the same for everyone. </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
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                <div link="blue" vlink="purple"
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                          <blockquote
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:214.8pt">Elvis</p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:214.8pt">Sent from
                                  my iPhone</p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                <blockquote
                                  style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:214.8pt">On
                                    Sep 26, 2020, at 13:03, Fernando
                                    Frediani <a
                                      href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">I never
                                    mentioned "not do to anything", just
                                    to get the things right rather than
                                    rush,even if it takes a couple of
                                    more months.<br>
                                    It is much worst to get a bad policy
                                    than have none. The examples I put
                                    was to show that this scenario is
                                    not as terrible as some people are
                                    putting as almost if the internet
                                    was going to stop work if this
                                    policy doesn't advance.</p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">Even if
                                    it takes a couple more of months to
                                    get that things right and out of
                                    this mess it will not be a big deal
                                    at all for the region.<br>
                                    It's not true this proposal works.
                                    It still lacks confirmations
                                    specially from other RIRs.<br>
                                    "Many more years" is of course an
                                    exaggeration on your side and we are
                                    talking about months rather than
                                    years which surely will not hurt.</p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">The
                                    legacy stuff is currently like this:
                                    it loses its status, it is like this
                                    in other places as well which shows
                                    this is the obvious thing to keep.
                                    This was never mentioned in the
                                    discussion of this proposal for
                                    months and changed at the very last
                                    minute which gives no chance to
                                    others to equally oppose. If there
                                    is something to be discussed in
                                    another proposal is if the current
                                    status should change or not, not
                                    what is being trying to be done at
                                    rush.</p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">There
                                    is no "forcing them to lose their
                                    legacy status". Whoever sell them
                                    don't care other than the money they
                                    receive. Whoever receives is only
                                    interested in the usage of the
                                    resources. What is being said about
                                    this is not correct how things
                                    really are in practical.</p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:214.8pt">Fernando</p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:214.8pt">On
                                      26/09/2020 00:47, Ibeanusi Elvis
                                      wrote:</p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
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                <div link="blue" vlink="purple"
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                                  <blockquote
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:214.8pt">Dear
                                      Fernando,  </p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt">"When
                                        LACNIC transitioned from Phase 2
                                        to Phase 3 of the exhaustion
                                        phases which is very similar to
                                        what just happened to AfriNic
                                        Phase 2, it took exactly <b>3
                                          years and 6 months</b> for it
                                        to be completely empty”. </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt">According
                                        to what you are insinuating, it
                                        is preferable not to do anything
                                        about the resources which are
                                        still going to exhaust. Thats
                                        makes no sense, it will be
                                        better if preparations are made
                                        prior to the entire exhaustion
                                        of the resources. LACNIC might
                                        have lasted 3 years and 6months
                                        before it completely emptied
                                        that does not mean we should
                                        take the same route as them, you
                                        learn from others not entirely
                                        copy their system or mode of
                                        handling things.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt">Additionally,
                                        “good or not organisation
                                        survived, found their way to
                                        work with this new scenario now
                                        there is a proper and well
                                        discussed proposal that works
                                        well for everybody and allow in
                                        and out transfer from ALL other
                                        RIRs”</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt">The
                                        fact that the organisation
                                        survived does not 100% imply
                                        that if the same system of
                                        waiting till everything ends
                                        entirely is applied, AFRINIC
                                        will survive. It is best to take
                                        early necessary precautions and
                                        not wait till when we are in a
                                        desperate and maybe unsurvivable
                                        state before we do something.
                                        Also, this proposal is well
                                        detailed and works. Waiting for
                                        many more years and years of
                                        discussion is just compounding
                                        the staffs of the AFRINIC
                                        organisation and the community
                                        with excessive work as well. </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt">Regarding
                                        the legacy resource holders, it
                                        is better to have a dedicated
                                        legacy proposal for them and
                                        work with them not forcing them
                                        to lose their legacy status. </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt">Elvis</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:214.8pt">Consider
                                                that LACNIC has a much
                                                higher demand than
                                                AfriNic and during most
                                                of these 3 years it
                                                survived without a
                                                Inter-RIR policy that
                                                was discussed for quiet
                                                a while before it
                                                reached consensus, plus
                                                the time it took for it
                                                to be implemented by
                                                staff which happened
                                                just recently in middle
                                                of this year.On Sep 26,
                                                2020, at 11:39, Fernando
                                                Frediani <<a
                                                  href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  rel="noreferrer"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                                                wrote:</p>
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                                                <p
                                                  style="margin-left:214.8pt">A
                                                  couple of information
                                                  for those who are
                                                  scary about "the pool
                                                  be empty shortly".</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="margin-left:214.8pt">When
                                                  LACNIC transitioned
                                                  from Phase 2 to Phase
                                                  3 of the exhaustion
                                                  phases which is very
                                                  similar to what just
                                                  happened to AfriNic
                                                  Phase 2, it took
                                                  exactly <b>3 years
                                                    and 6 months</b> for
                                                  it to be completely
                                                  empty. <br>
                                                  Consider that LACNIC
                                                  has a much higher
                                                  demand than AfriNic
                                                  and during most of
                                                  these 3 years it
                                                  survived without a
                                                  Inter-RIR policy that
                                                  was discussed for
                                                  quiet a while before
                                                  it reached consensus,
                                                  plus the time it took
                                                  for it to be
                                                  implemented by staff
                                                  which happened just
                                                  recently in middle of
                                                  this year.</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="margin-left:214.8pt">Good
                                                  or not organizations
                                                  survived, found their
                                                  way to work with this
                                                  new scenario e now
                                                  there is a proper and
                                                  well discussed
                                                  proposal that work
                                                  well for everybody and
                                                  allow in and out
                                                  transfer from ALL
                                                  other RIRs. And by the
                                                  way legacy resources
                                                  lose its status like
                                                  is expected. <br>
                                                  And by the way, there
                                                  is absolutely no
                                                  "fight" with legacy
                                                  resource holders, not
                                                  at all. They don't
                                                  care what will happen
                                                  when they sell their
                                                  resources on sold.
                                                  Whoever is buying are
                                                  not really much
                                                  interested in this
                                                  status, but in
                                                  acquiring them for
                                                  their usage and that's
                                                  it.</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="margin-left:214.8pt">AfriNic
                                                  can take some more
                                                  time, specially in the
                                                  current uncertainty
                                                  scenario to get a
                                                  proper and better
                                                  discussed proposal
                                                  that will in fact be
                                                  reciprocal to all
                                                  other RIRs and benefit
                                                  the region to keep
                                                  going after the pool
                                                  is completely empty
                                                  which still takes some
                                                  time.</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="margin-left:214.8pt">Fernando</p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:214.8pt">On
                                                    25/09/2020 22:08,
                                                    lucilla fornaro
                                                    wrote:</p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Dear all,</p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Accepting this policy implies that AFRINIC
                                                          will develop a
                                                          way to get
                                                          even more
                                                          resources to
                                                          satisfy and
                                                          push the
                                                          demand of the
                                                          developing
                                                          market. </p>
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                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">We often talked about smoother business (why
                                                          the community
                                                          is so scared
                                                          about this
                                                          word?)
                                                          operations,
                                                          the policy
                                                          does not
                                                          facilitate any
                                                          fraud. All
                                                          resources are
                                                          allocated and
                                                          transferred in
                                                          the base of a
                                                          proven need.
                                                          It is an
                                                          expensive
                                                          process, and
                                                          it is
                                                          reasonable to
                                                          think that no
                                                          one would
                                                          operate a
                                                          fraud that
                                                          causes loss
                                                          instead of
                                                          benefits.</p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Yes, shortly the pool will be empty, but the
                                                          policy
                                                          proposes a way
                                                          to fight it
                                                          and promote
                                                          access to
                                                          further
                                                          resources
                                                          before it's
                                                          too late.</p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">regards,</p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Lucilla</p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Il giorno sab 26 set 2020 alle ore 09:49
                                                        Ibeanusi Elvis
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        ha scritto:</p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Dear Marcus, Dear Community,  </p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">I do not concur with your analogy and
                                                          accusations on
                                                          the proposal
                                                          or policy
                                                          written  by
                                                          Anthony
                                                          Ikechukwu Ubah
                                                          and Taiwo
                                                          Oyewande
                                                          called
                                                          “Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy” as
                                                          being a
                                                          hindrance to
                                                          the smooth
                                                          operation of
                                                          business, is
                                                          entirely
                                                          false. The
                                                          major
                                                          intention of
                                                          this policy is
                                                          to support and
                                                          boost
                                                          businesses i
                                                          Africa not to
                                                          hinder the
                                                          operation of
                                                          business.</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Likewise, the policy is not based on a fake
                                                          problem of the
                                                          African
                                                          region. This
                                                          is baseless
                                                          accusation and
                                                          a wrong
                                                          self-interpretation
                                                          of what
                                                          factual
                                                          intentions of
                                                          the Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy,
                                                          Anthony and
                                                          Taiwo should
                                                          be appreciated
                                                          for pointing
                                                          out this
                                                          issue. </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">On the other hand, "<i><span
                                                          style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Basically,
                                                          the Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy is
                                                          intended to
                                                          take Internet
                                                          Resources on
                                                          one region to
                                                          the other. We
                                                          all know that
                                                          Africa is at
                                                          its developing
                                                          stage and
                                                          needs more
                                                          internet
                                                          resources to
                                                          support its
                                                          developmental
                                                          process.
                                                          Accepting this
                                                          policy means
                                                          that the
                                                          little
                                                          resources left
                                                          in our region
                                                          will be taken
                                                          away,
                                                          especially
                                                          when we don’t
                                                          have the
                                                          mechanism in
                                                          place to
                                                          enforce the
                                                          auditing of
                                                          the use of the
                                                          allocated
                                                          resources.”</span></i></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><i><span
                                                          style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">The
                                                          purpose of
                                                          this policy is
                                                          to support
                                                          a “TWO-WAY
                                                          INTER-RIR
                                                          POLICY” which
                                                          implies that
                                                          AFRINIC can
                                                          receive and
                                                          transfer
                                                          resources.
                                                          With the
                                                          exhaustion of
                                                          the IPv4, the
                                                          adoption of
                                                          this policy
                                                          will do a
                                                          greater good
                                                          to the
                                                          African continent
                                                          as it supports
                                                          the
                                                          circulation of
                                                          resources into
                                                          and out of all
                                                          the RIRs </span></i></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><i><span
                                                          style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Best, </span></i></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><i><span
                                                          style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Elvis</span></i></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">On Sep 26, 2020, at 02:24, Taiwo Oyewande
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Hi all, </p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Discussing a problem statement that will not
                                                          be implemented
                                                          in the CPM is
                                                          not really
                                                          taking us
                                                          forward. </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">There is an obvious war against the co
                                                          chairs for
                                                          doing a job
                                                          that the
                                                          community
                                                          mandated them
                                                          to do by the
                                                          status of
                                                          their
                                                          election. The
                                                          co-chairs
                                                          discussed each
                                                          points raised
                                                          with the
                                                          various
                                                          authors and
                                                          tried to see
                                                          if all the
                                                          points were
                                                          duly addressed
                                                          before making
                                                          their
                                                          decisions. </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"> </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">I saw a false and misleading statement about
                                                          the cochairs
                                                          trying to get
                                                          the authors of
                                                          2 of the 3
                                                          related
                                                          policies
                                                          against the
                                                          authors of the
                                                          3rd policy. Is
                                                          this what
                                                          members of
                                                          this working
                                                          group has
                                                          turned to?</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Trying to create a bad name for another
                                                          member using
                                                          scenarios that
                                                          never
                                                          occurred. I
                                                          think that is
                                                          the height of
                                                          desperation
                                                          and such
                                                          defamation of
                                                          character
                                                          should not be
                                                          encouraged on
                                                          this list</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt">Taiwo</p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:214.8pt">On 25
                                                          Sep 2020, at
                                                          14:17, Marcus
                                                          K. G. Adomey
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dear all, </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">The Policy
                                                          “Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy”
                                                          (AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT01)
                                                          proposed by
                                                          Anthony
                                                          Ikechukwu Ubah
                                                          and Taiwo
                                                          Oyewande is
                                                          based on a
                                                          fake problem
                                                          for our
                                                          region.</span></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">(1) “The
                                                          current policy
                                                          fails to
                                                          support a
                                                          two-way
                                                          Inter-RIR
                                                          policy” – And
                                                          so what? This
                                                          was an
                                                          intra-RIR
                                                          transfer
                                                          policy, not
                                                          meant to be
                                                          Inter-RIR</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">(2) “there by
                                                          hindering
                                                          smooth
                                                          business
                                                          operation”</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Can the authors
                                                          of the policy
                                                          show how the
                                                          current
                                                          situation is
                                                          “hindering
                                                          smooth
                                                          business
                                                          operation?”</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Further, they
                                                          should tell us
                                                          what they mean
                                                          by “smooth
                                                          business
                                                          operation”.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">(3)
                                                          “development
                                                          and growth in
                                                          the region”</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Can the authors
                                                          of the policy
                                                          prove that the
                                                          current status
                                                          is hindering
                                                          “development
                                                          and growth in
                                                          the region”?</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">It is clear
                                                          that the
                                                          authors of the
                                                          policy have
                                                          used
                                                          unsubstantiated
                                                          claims to
                                                          buttress the
                                                          need for this
                                                          policy.</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Basically, the
                                                          Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy is
                                                          intended to
                                                          take Internet
                                                          Resources on
                                                          one region to
                                                          the other. We
                                                          all know that
                                                          Africa is at
                                                          its developing
                                                          stage and
                                                          needs more
                                                          internet
                                                          resources to
                                                          support its
                                                          developmental
                                                          process.
                                                          Accepting this
                                                          policy means
                                                          that the
                                                          little
                                                          resources left
                                                          in our region
                                                          will be taken
                                                          away,
                                                          especially
                                                          when we don’t
                                                          have the
                                                          mechanism in
                                                          place to
                                                          enforce the
                                                          auditing of
                                                          the use of the
                                                          allocated
                                                          resources.</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Moreover, any
                                                          unmanaged
                                                          inter-RIR
                                                          transfer
                                                          policy will
                                                          weaken the
                                                          development of
                                                          the Internet
                                                          in the region
                                                          as we have no
                                                          control over
                                                          this global
                                                          market which
                                                          never played
                                                          in our favor.
                                                          It may also
                                                          affect AFRINIC
                                                          operations.</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:214.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Recent findings
                                                          discussed on
                                                          this list show
                                                          how
                                                          transferred
                                                          resources are
                                                          being used.
                                                          The global
                                                          community is
                                                          yet to discuss
                                                          the impact on
                                                          transfer. I am
                                                          more concerned
                                                          for our
                                                          region.</span></p>
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                                                          let us discuss
                                                          the best
                                                          approach to
                                                          engage the
                                                          Region into
                                                          the global
                                                          resources
                                                          transfer
                                                          world.</span></p>
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                                                          href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          September 23,
                                                          2020 8:59 PM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> rpd
                                                          >>
                                                          AfriNIC
                                                          Resource
                                                          Policy <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re: [rpd]
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy
                                                          Proposal
                                                          v.3.docx </p>
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                                                          the authors of
                                                          the resource
                                                          transfer
                                                          policy in the
                                                          last call
                                                          explain, which
                                                          problem is
                                                          being
                                                          addressed?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The problem
                                                          statement
                                                          is awkward to
                                                          say the least.
                                                          The issue with
                                                          the problem
                                                          statement was
                                                          raised in
                                                          Luanda and
                                                          during the
                                                          virtual AIS.
                                                          How can we can
                                                          adopt a
                                                          proposal when
                                                          the
                                                          problem statement
                                                          is out of
                                                          scope of the
                                                          PDP?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          ——-<br>
                                                          1. Summary of
                                                          the problem
                                                          being
                                                          addressed by
                                                          this proposal<br>
                                                          The current
                                                          policy fails
                                                          to support a
                                                          two-way
                                                          Inter-RIR
                                                          policy,
                                                          thereby
                                                          hindering
                                                          smooth
                                                          business
                                                          operation,
                                                          development,
                                                          and growth in
                                                          the region.
                                                          This proposal
                                                          aims to
                                                          establish an
                                                          efficient and
business-friendly mechanism to allow a number of resources to be
                                                          transferred
                                                          from/to other
                                                          regions. This
                                                          proposal
                                                          outlines a
                                                          model in which
                                                          AFRINIC can
                                                          freely
                                                          transfer
                                                          number
                                                          resources
                                                          to/from other
                                                          regions, i.e.
                                                          RIPE NCC,
                                                          APNIC, ARIN
                                                          and LACNIC.
                                                          This includes
                                                          both
                                                          IPv4 addresses
                                                          and AS
                                                          numbers.<br>
                                                          ——-</span></p>
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                                                          <p
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                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin-left:179.4pt">There
                                                          is no much I
                                                          can do other
                                                          than state my
                                                          <b>opposition
                                                          to this
                                                          proposal</b>
                                                          to advance and
                                                          reach any
                                                          consensus
                                                          mainly because
                                                          5.7.4.3 has
                                                          been inverted
                                                          from what was
                                                          originally in
                                                          the proposal
                                                          and only
                                                          changed at
                                                          last minute
                                                          due to some
                                                          comments in
                                                          the PPM going
                                                          straight to
                                                          last call
                                                          which didn't
                                                          give
                                                          opportunity to
                                                          the community
                                                          re-evaluate
                                                          this major
                                                          change and if
                                                          it's suitable
                                                          to the region
                                                          or not.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin-left:179.4pt">Co-Chairs
                                                          cannot advance
                                                          this proposal
                                                          to rough
                                                          consensus the
                                                          way it is and
                                                          I urge and ask
                                                          them again to
                                                          bring it back
                                                          to discussion
                                                          to find out a
                                                          resolution to
                                                          these opened
                                                          issues.
                                                          Multiple
                                                          people raised
                                                          substantial
                                                          concerns about
                                                          it already.
                                                          There is no
                                                          way it can be
                                                          considered
                                                          'rough
                                                          consensus'.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin-left:179.4pt">I
                                                          also
                                                          understand
                                                          there may be a
                                                          hurry to get a
                                                          Inter-RIR
                                                          transfer
                                                          policy as soon
                                                          as possible,
                                                          but we must
                                                          care about
                                                          what is most
                                                          important than
                                                          that which is
                                                          get policies
                                                          to reflect
                                                          what is really
                                                          good for the
                                                          region and not
                                                          just to a few
                                                          actors, even
                                                          if it takes a
                                                          bit longer. I
                                                          support
                                                          Jordi's
                                                          suggestion to
                                                          have another
                                                          PPM in a few
                                                          months so
                                                          perhaps this
                                                          proposal can
                                                          advance from
                                                          that point in
                                                          time. LACNIC
                                                          remained about
                                                          2 years
                                                          without a
                                                          Inter-RIR
                                                          transfer
                                                          policy after
                                                          it run out of
                                                          addresses for
                                                          new
                                                          organizations
                                                          and survived.
                                                          AfriNic will
                                                          survive if it
                                                          has to wait a
                                                          few more
                                                          months in
                                                          order to get
                                                          things really
                                                          right.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin-left:179.4pt">Now
                                                          going to the
                                                          merit of the
                                                          proposal
                                                          specially the
                                                          main point I
                                                          oppose
                                                          (5.7.4.3):<br>
                                                          There is no</p>
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