Hello Mirriam,<div><br></div><div>Nice to hear from you and please find below my comments in line.<br><br>On Thursday, October 8, 2020, Mirriam <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Pascal,<br><br>Long time since Kampala last year.<br><br>Just to add that we have always had newbies who join the rpd list and become part of the pdwg , learn and contribute to discussions and I was one of them since back in 2015.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I never said the community does not experience the participation of new entrants in the PDWG mailing list from time to time or that I am not aware of that.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>We have also had newbies like Hilario who appears, contributes like the world is ending and then disappear from the face of rpd. </div><div><br><br>We have also had newbies who behave like paid up mercenaries. But we welcome newbies of course and some of us are learning and contributing one day at a time.<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well that's an accusation you will have to prove regarding newbies acting like paid mercenaries and such allegations are not and does not show a welcoming spirit for the so called newbies. The fact that these guys have not been active does not mean they have not been learning behind the scenes or do not have experience probably in other RIR or communities. When someone introduces himself as new to the community does not mean he or she cannot add value or is not abreast with the current methodologies adopted here.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>I think what others are saying is that, newbies must also take time and learn rather than jumping to conclusion.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So are you saying all the arguments and contributions by the so called newbies are totally not in sync? The process of active participation is actually part of the learning curve in argument. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr"><div><br><br><br>I am a woman and I have never been intimidated by anyone here or even during my first ever AIS meeting in Kampala, I was happy to meet people, learn and socialize with all and believe me I learned a lot from seniors that today I am able to contribute my 2 cents once in a while.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well the fact that it hasn't happened to you does not mean it does not happen and it ain't necessarily about gender. We want a healthy environment which you experienced in Kampala void of controversies. Finally learning is vice versa. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr"><div><br><br>Best regards,<br>Mirriam<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 11:17:37 PM GMT+3, Paschal Ochang <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div><div>I don't think it will be right to make some derogatory remarks with respect to participant's timeline of entry into the discussions. Rather, we should look at the content of discussions and contributions which in this case is very positive. We as a community encourage active participation to bring the best out of Policy development outcomes. A few years ago this platform wasn't that active but the amount of recent comments and participation shows that there is a move in the positive direction.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>The so called newbies have been giving intelligent contributions therefore telling them to go and read committees archives does not necessarily dictate that they are not well schooled or knowledgeable to engage in the PDP process. </div><div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thursday, October 8, 2020, Arnaud AMELINA <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>+1. Let not waste our valuable time. No need to also try to understand why these people are so afraid of appeal. These newbies should read carefully the PDP and consult the appeal committee's archives to educate themselves <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://afrinic.net/policy/appeal-committee/appeal-2018-01-02#details" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/ appeal-committee/appeal-2018- 01-02#details</a><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>--</div><div>Arnaud </div></div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 14:04, Fernando Frediani <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do not confuse people.<br clear="none">
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<p>The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees with the actions
taken by the Chair(s)" not just with declarations made during the
PPM. The Chairs could have changed their decision meanwhile but
unfortunately they haven't done. They have just decided to keep it
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<div>On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby Giner wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>I agree with Lucilla but only wish to add 1
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<div>I think everyone has overlooked one huge
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<div>It is true that by section 3.5(1) of the CPM
“A person who disagrees with the actions taken by the
Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with the PDWG Chair(s) or
with the PDWG”. </div>
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section 3.5(2) of the CPM, “The appeal must be submitted
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<div>Applying this into the current facts, the
Chair has publicly announced its decision on 17th September
2020 through the online PPM, whereas, the
disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 2020 onward,
which is factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal. </div>
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<div>Therefore, the disagreements/appeal made in
this email thread/mailing list must be deemed invalid and be
disregarded.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 9:05 PM
lucilla fornaro, <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail. com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Sami, dear all,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Most of the arguments supporting the
policy were not mere "opinions". </div>
<div dir="ltr">A quick reminder, the policy reached a
rough consensus during the PPM and went to the last
call for some editorial changes. The authors, Taiwo
and Anthony, proved to be remarkably active to manage
minor issues and solicitudes from the community. The
resource transfer policy aims to build a stable and
efficient resources management system for the Afrinic
service region.</div>
<div dir="ltr">The overall discussion has been full of
controversies undermining the work of the co-chairs,
an unfair behavior in my opinion. Also, the arguments
against the policy have been strongly taken apart. </div>
<div dir="ltr">We have been debating this policy for
weeks, it is now time to move it to the board for
ratification. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020
alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali Oulahcen via RPD <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br clear="none">
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> Following the last online PPM held on 16^th -17^th
September 2020. Last <br clear="none">
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> * Board Prerogatives on the PDP<br clear="none">
> * Resource Transfer Policy<br clear="none">
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