<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body>
<p>I totally agree with Jordi.</p>
<p>People should remember that AFRINIC is the youngest registry and
our everything (Bylaws, rules, structures - etc) is based on the
first three Registries - that is RIPE, ARIN and APNIC, literally
taking the best of each of these registries. People should also
take into account the work Jordi has done in all of these
registries regarding policy proposals both present and past
(including AFRINIC). I believe he has a level of experience second
to none.</p>
<p>Enough.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/10/09 14:13, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:3BCCD1EB-C6FF-443F-93F1-3B31087D97FB@consulintel.es">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered
medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Verdana;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Times New Roman \(Cuerpo en alfa";
panose-1:2 2 6 3 5 4 5 2 3 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
panose-1:2 0 5 3 0 0 0 2 0 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
pre
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML con formato previo Car";
margin:0cm;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
{mso-style-priority:34;
margin-top:0cm;
margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:0cm;
margin-left:36.0pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.HTMLconformatoprevioCar
{mso-style-name:"HTML con formato previo Car";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML con formato previo";
font-family:Consolas;}
span.EstiloCorreo21
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:70.85pt 3.0cm 70.85pt 3.0cm;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:right;
text-indent:-9.0pt;}
ol
{margin-bottom:0cm;}
ul
{margin-bottom:0cm;}</style>
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Let’s be logic and rational: I also mention the
AFRINIC case as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 1: We have a sentence that requires a
stable version 1 week before the meeting. Nothing in the
remaining text changes that. So, the PDP position is still
based on that sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 2: Previous co-chairs allowed *<b>in the
meeting, during the proposal presentation*</b> editorial
adjustments (rewording, grammar, typos), *<b>only</b>* if
those adjustments didn’t change the proposal
interpretation. I’ve been several times, we got proposals
that had changes much smaller than the actual ones, and
they needed to wait for a new version and a new meeting 6
months afterwards.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 3: If *<b>after</b>* the proposal is
presented, we allow changes “to declare consensus”, is not
that the same as when we have a new version after a
meeting and the proposal need to wait for a new meeting?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 4: If we allow 3 above, then *<b>all the
proposals</b>* should have the same chances of allowing
adjustments, otherwise we are having a different treatment
among different proposals and this is against the full
purpose of the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 5: I’m convinced that the chairs acted
in good faith, but that doesn’t excuse errors in the
interpretation of the PDP, including the lack of a formal
stable version available during all the last call.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 6: Anyone in disagreement of the
yesterday chairs decision has 2 weeks to appeal the
decision. There is no discussion on that. The 2 weeks
timing re-starts after *<b>every</b>* chairs decision. The
appeal could have been submitted in September, but it can
be submitted also now, because the last-call discussion
proved that there is no continued consensus (which is the
meaning of the last-call).<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 7: The board can *<b>only</b>* ratify a
proposal if the PDP has been followed. If the board has
any doubts on any nit on the process, they can return the
proposal to the PDWG for continuing the discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">FACT 8: Instead of making a mistake and
having *<b>all this discussion</b>*, in case of doubt, we
should follow the interpretation done during many years,
because it is the actual practice, and ask the board to
call for a new meeting in 2-3 months. I’m convinced that
it can be much more efficient and not create troubles.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I think the chairs should take a decision if
they still believe that they did all right (remembering that
a stable version was not available during all the last
call), or if it better to extend or cancel the last call and
ask the board for a focused new meeting just to resolve this
proposal (it can be for others as well, I will not object to
that, or even one each month from now on). Otherwise, anyone
from the community can go for an appeal and/or the board
should make sure if the process has been followed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I’m not going to reply anymore to this, it is
starting to be useless noise and not helping anyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 9/10/20
13:39, "Ekaterina Kalugina" <<a
href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
community,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">It has
been really disconcerting reading the last night's
discussion. The amount of personal attacks and passive
aggressive statements is making the discussion
completely futile. The road of pointing fingers leads
nowhere. So let us please stop this and focus on the
facts.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">And the
facts are that there seems to be a single section of the
CPM that is causing most of the controversy. Namely is
it the section 3.4.3 on the Last Call. From what I can
see one camp is arguing that no changes can be made
during the last call. While the other camp is arguing
that it is not forbidden.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This is
the problem with language - it always leaves room for
interpretation. Therefore, different people reading this
section would interpret it differently. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">But the
fact is that NO violations took place. Yes, it is true
that the section does not explicitly talk about making
changes during the last call. However, it does not
prohibit us from doing so.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> As for
Jordi's argument that this is not how it's interpreted
in the other RIRs - it is irrelevant. The only thing
that matters right now is how we can best interpret the
CPM for the benefit of the AFRINIC community. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Some of
you with different understanding of the CPM may
disagree. And it's okay. It seems like the way things
are now, achieving any form of agreement is impossible.
The only thing that is the possible is to follow the CPM
in the way that benefits the community. And it has been
clearly stated many times that having a resource
transfer policy as soon as possible IS for the benefit
of the community. It is also in the benefit of the
community that such policy shall be fully compatible
with other RIRs. Therefore, it is for the benefit of the
community and the region that the necessary changes are
made during the last call.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">And again
for those in the back, the CPM does NOT prohibit changes
during the last call. Therefore, technically speaking no
violations have occurred. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Finally, I
would like to point out that the CPM is there to SERVE
the best interests community. It really pains me to see
how many of you put the wording of the rules above the
interests of the people these rules are meant to
represent. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The fact
is that many will suffer if this policy is not passed in
a timely manner. And i firmly believe that it is our
duty to prevent this from happening in any way we can. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Best, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Ekaterina <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Fri, 9
Oct 2020, 11:07 lucilla fornaro <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
Mirriam, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Is
this a competition on who joined the community
first? <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
keep reading insults and arguments that NOTHING
have to do with this policy and the end of the
last call. In an open and inclusive community
like Afrinic it is normal to have newbies. Most
of the people here have professional experience
in some related fields, and their contribution
should be welcomed and appreciated, that's how a
community grows. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regarding
the more serious matter, Co-chairs followed the
procedure performing their administrative
function within the scope of the CPM, and those
who disagree with it did not offer a solution to
get the community out of this standoff.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">In
my opinion, when situations like this happen,
the only way is to follow the procedure and
direction of co-chairs. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lucilla<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Il
giorno ven 9 ott 2020 alle ore 06:03 Mirriam via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> ha
scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
Pascal,<br>
<br>
Long time since Kampala last year.<br>
<br>
Just to add that we have always had newbies
who join the rpd list and become part of the
pdwg , learn and contribute to discussions
and I was one of them since back in 2015.<br>
<br>
We have also had newbies like Hilario who
appears, contributes like the world is
ending and then disappear from the face of
rpd. <br>
<br>
We have also had newbies who behave like
paid up mercenaries. But we welcome newbies
of course and some of us are learning and
contributing one day at a time.<br>
<br>
I think what others are saying is that,
newbies must also take time and learn rather
than jumping to conclusion.<br>
<br>
I am a woman and I have never been
intimidated by anyone here or even during my
first ever AIS meeting in Kampala, I was
happy to meet people, learn and socialize
with all and believe me I learned a lot from
seniors that today I am able to contribute
my 2 cents once in a while.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Mirriam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="m_9207068843885255435gmail-m_5314239276994969537yahoo_quoted_2327833861">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">On Thursday,
October 8, 2020, 11:17:37 PM GMT+3, Paschal
Ochang <<a
href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div
id="m_9207068843885255435gmail-m_5314239276994969537yiv7517605153">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">I don't think
it will be right to make some derogatory
remarks with respect to participant's
timeline of entry into the discussions.
Rather, we should look at the content of
discussions and contributions which in
this case is very positive. We as a
community encourage active participation
to bring the best out of Policy
development outcomes. A few years ago
this platform wasn't that active but the
amount of recent comments and
participation shows that there is a move
in the positive direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">The so
called newbies have been giving
intelligent contributions therefore
telling them to go and read committees
archives does not necessarily dictate
that they are not well schooled or
knowledgeable to engage in the PDP
process. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Thursday,
October 8, 2020, Arnaud AMELINA <<a
href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div
id="m_9207068843885255435gmail-m_5314239276994969537yiv7517605153yqt55468">
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">+1.
Let not waste our valuable
time. No need to also try to
understand why these people
are so afraid of appeal.
These newbies should read
carefully the PDP and consult
the appeal committee's
archives to educate
themselves <a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/appeal-committee/appeal-2018-01-02#details"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/
appeal-committee/appeal-2018- 01-02#details</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Arnaud <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Le
jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 14:04,
Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm
0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Gaby
please read the PDP
correctly and do not
confuse people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">The
section 3.5.1 of the CPM
says "disagrees with the
actions taken by the
Chair(s)" not just with
declarations made during
the PPM. The Chairs could
have changed their
decision meanwhile but
unfortunately they haven't
done. They have just
decided to keep it and it
is "a decision" which by
the CPM bound to appeal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Fernando<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">On
08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby
Giner wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Dear
community, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">I
agree with Lucilla
but only wish to
add 1 point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">I
think everyone has
overlooked one
huge matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">It
is true that by
section 3.5(1) of
the CPM “A person
who disagrees with
the actions taken
by the Chair(s)
shall discuss the
matter with the
PDWG Chair(s) or
with the PDWG”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">However,
I wish to remind
everyone that by
section 3.5(2) of
the CPM, “The
appeal must be
submitted within
two weeks of the
public knowledge
of the decision”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Applying
this into the
current facts, the
Chair has publicly
announced its
decision on 17th
September 2020
through the online
PPM, whereas, the
disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 2020 onward, which is
factually beyond
the 14 days period
to appeal. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Therefore,
the
disagreements/appeal
made in this email
thread/mailing
list must be
deemed invalid and
be disregarded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Gaby<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">On
Thu, Oct 8, 2020,
9:05 PM lucilla
fornaro, <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.
com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm
0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Dear Sami, dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Most of the arguments supporting the policy
were not mere
"opinions". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">A quick reminder, the policy reached a rough
consensus
during the PPM
and went to
the last call
for some
editorial
changes. The
authors, Taiwo
and Anthony,
proved to be
remarkably
active to
manage minor
issues and
solicitudes
from the
community. The
resource
transfer
policy aims to
build a stable
and efficient
resources
management
system for the
Afrinic
service
region.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">The overall discussion has been full of
controversies
undermining
the work of
the co-chairs,
an unfair
behavior in my
opinion.
Also, the
arguments
against the
policy have
been strongly
taken apart. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">We have been debating this policy for weeks,
it is now time
to move it to
the board for
ratification. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Lucilla <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020 alle ore 21:09 Sami
Ait Ali Oulahcen
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> ha
scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0cm
0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Hi,<br>
<br>
I can't see how
the "Resource
Transfer Policy"
could have
reached
consensus.<br>
I think the
co-chairs'
prerogative is
to declare
consensus on
policies, <br>
not general
opinions. And
"we need an
inter-RIR
transfer policy"
is a <br>
general opinion,
not a policy.<br>
The policy in
question still
had objections
(non-editorial)
before last <br>
call. And it
received
significant
changes during
the last call
period <br>
(it is not what
last call is
meant for).<br>
<br>
Not that I have
any interest in
the policy
itself being
ratified or not.
<br>
It shouldn't be
done this way.<br>
<br>
Just my 2c.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Sami<br>
<br>
On 10/8/20 12:30
AM, Moses Serugo
wrote:<br>
> Hello PDWG
members,<br>
> <br>
> Following
the last online
PPM held on
16^th -17^th
September 2020.
Last <br>
> call was
announced on
21^st September
2020 for the
following policy
<br>
> proposals.<br>
> <br>
> * Board
Prerogatives on
the PDP<br>
> *
Resource
Transfer Policy<br>
> <br>
> This is to
further announce
that the last
call period for
the above <br>
> proposals
has ended, based
on feedback
received from
the community
and <br>
> the
editorial
changes made by
authors to
address
community
concerns, the <br>
> consensus
decision from
AFRINIC32 is
still
maintained.<br>
> <br>
> Co-Chairs
will now send a
report to the
Board
recommending
ratification <br>
> of the two
above proposals
in line with CPM
3.0.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Co-Chairs<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
______________________________
_________________<br>
> RPD mailing
list<br>
> <a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/
mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
> <br>
<br>
______________________________ _________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/
mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">______________________________
_________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/
mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:#26282A">______________________________ _________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:#26282A">RPD mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:#26282A"><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:#26282A"><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/ mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">______________________________
_________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/
mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Kind regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">Paschal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="m_9207068843885255435gmail-m_5314239276994969537yqt00556">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#26282A">_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<br>
**********************************************<br>
IPv4 is over<br>
Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.theipv6company.com">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>
The IPv6 Company<br>
<br>
This electronic message contains information which may be
privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for
the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further
non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use
of the contents of this information, even if partially, including
attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a
criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware
that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents
of this information, even if partially, including attached files,
is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so
you must reply to the original sender to inform about this
communication and delete it.<br>
<br>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<title></title>
<p>Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: <a href="tel:+27826010496">+27.826010496</a><br>
For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: <a
href="https://ftth.posix.co.za">https://ftth.posix.co.za</a><br>
<br>
<img moz-do-not-send="false"
src="cid:part28.D4B404AA.FC6ED66B@posix.co.za" alt="Posix
Systems" width="250" height="165"><img moz-do-not-send="false"
src="cid:part29.0049AACD.362CFA3B@posix.co.za" alt="VCARD for
MJ Elkins" title="VCARD, Scan me please!" width="164"
height="164"><br>
</p>
</div>
</body>
</html>