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<div>Please let us show some maturity and avoid this self interest attitudes.</div>
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<div>It is not about who win or who loose between the proposals being discussed. In facts all the three proposals have issues so your claim that “you are right and others are useless” may itself be problematic for WG</div>
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<div>The discussions about inter-rir policy is also not about following other regions or a particular RIR. It is more about making the right decision about which suits the best interest of this region at this time while we prepare for the future</div>
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<div>All decisions have to be made by the WG/ Community.</div>
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<div>Time will come when all proposals must be owned by the WG and changes driven by consensus...</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 9, 2020 3:58:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Madhvi Gokool <madhvi@afrinic.net>; rpd@afrinic.net <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Reciprocity of the inter-RIR transfer policies</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Madhvi,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think this makes clear that I was right, as I always indicated that the other 2 proposal were not reciprocal, so they become useless.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Regarding your point on the ASN transfer in my proposal, I will wait for further clarification with APNIC, but the intent was bi-directional with any RIR (that allows it), like for IPv4. Anyway,
if the ASN is an issue, as I tried just to follow the staff recommendations to resolve that according to your PIER’s, the easier way to resolve that is to make it in a different proposal, so we could resolve the IPv4 issue first, then ASN and even IPv6 in
another one. That may help to reach consensus in each topic.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Regards,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 9/10/20 17:07, "Madhvi Gokool" <<a href="mailto:madhvi@afrinic.net">madhvi@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:</p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Dear PDWG</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">AFRINIC has received partial feedback to its query and would like to report on the feedback received to the community. To note that
the proposal AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 was also shared with the RIRs when it was submitted in Sep 2020.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">ARIN has responded that the Resource Transfer Policy is not compatible with their inter-RIR transfer policies because of the following statement therein -
<i>“The source must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR and shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”</i> would require a source in the ARIN region to comply with AFRINIC RIR policies.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">AFRINIC - You will find that both AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 & AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03, versions that were shared with the RIRs contain
this statement.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">APNIC has responded that for </span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 - Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-3), the APNIC inter-RIR policy is not compatible with the current text, especially “The source must be the current rights
holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR and shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">AFRINIC - You will find that AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 version that was shared with the RIRs also contain this statement.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> AFPUB-2019-GEN-002-DRAFT02 - AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:107.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> "Only Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other regions will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service region."</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:107.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Not compatible as it is not fully reciprocal and bi-directional in nature. The proposal only allows transfer of legacy resources and
resources that been transferred into AFRINIC, and NOT resources from the AFRINIC pool. In principle, APNIC allows outgoing transfer of resources from the APNIC pool, but has a 5-year transfer restriction for 103/8 space.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT04 - IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) Draft-4</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:107.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Compatible for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers. However there is ambiguity about APNIC to AFRINIC ASN transfers. We understand the text below
allows transfer of ASNs out of AFRINIC region if they meet certain conditions. Does it imply transfer of incoming ASNs into AFRINIC is allowed?</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:107.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">"5.7.4 Transfer of ASN with IPv4 Resources</span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">At the AFRINIC discretion, in the case where over 50% of the IPv4 resources associated with an ASN are being transferred, that ASN
may also be transferred at the same time."</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">AFRINIC - We shall clarify this with APNIC as from next week.
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">To conclude , please note that as we receive further updates from the RIRs, we shall keep the working group informed. Should the
authors of the 3 policy proposals require further inputs and clarifications regarding reciprocity/compatibility, we recommend that they submit same to
<a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net">pdwg@afrinic.net</a> . We shall then do the needful and liaise with the RIRs.</span>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">We have also noted that a latest version of Resource Transfer Policy was submitted to the list . To maintain the consistency , the
reciprocity/compatibility with the other inter-RIR transfer policies will be sought.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Regards</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Madhvi</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 23/09/2020 9:51 AM, Madhvi Gokool wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Dear PDWG</p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">During the Policy discussions in the AFRINIC-32 PPM on 17 Sep 2020, there was a debate regarding the reciprocity of one inter-RIR transfer policy proposal with ARIN. The Policy Liaison had responded that since there are 3 policy
proposals under discussion and that two of them had undergone revision in 2020 , AFRINIC shall contact ARIN to get their authoritative response in regard to the reciprocity of all the
<b>3 proposals</b>.</p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since the LACNIC, RIPE and APNIC RIRs all have inter-RIR transfer policies, and we, AFRINIC do not have their assessment of the reciprocity of the 3 policy proposals under discussion on record, AFRINIC has therefore reached out
to all 4 RIRs to get their inputs regarding the reciprocity of the<b> three </b>
policy proposals that were discussed in the AFRINIC PPM last week.</p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">We shall update you once we have received the updates from the 4 RIRs. "</p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Kind Regards</p>
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