<div dir="auto">+1 @Noah, Miriam et Fernando j'apprécie la façon dont vous opposez des arguments concrets et précis à des sentiments subjectifs et tendancieux.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AFRINIC -----> EN AVANT !</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Arnaud </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 19:53, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Jordi and PDWG,<div> Please find attached the final version of the two proposals. The board prerogatives had no editorial changes however there were editorial changes on the Transfer policy proposal. The version could not have been published on the web page until the co-chairs approved it. However, It should have been included in the initial email, we apologies for this.</div><div><br></div><div>@Caleb, Thank you we are happy to consult even beyond previous chairs, and we are currently doing that. Regarding publishing of draft proposal, It was published before the online meeting, or which meeting are you referring too? We don't understand what you mean, and Please reread the CPM before coming to conclusions. Do not assume what the CPM says. Read it.!!! </div><div>The CPM says </div><div><h3 style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(117,117,117);margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:24px">3.4.3 Last Call</h3><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 5px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. <b>The Working Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the Public Policy Meeting and during this period and decide whether consensus has been achieved</b>.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 5px;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font color="#000000">Please point me to the section that says Changes cannot be made during the last call? All we did was to do a final review and evaluate the discussion. Let us stop these false accusations. Everything we do is in our best interest even when we are left with few choices.</font></p></div><div>There have also been some individuals saying Co-chairs did not follow the PDP. <b>Can you please elaborate which aspect of the PDP we didn't follow?</b>. Jordi said we did not wait for a response from staff as to if the policy is reciprocal. Please Jordi should point us to the section of the CPM that said we should wait for this before taking a decision?. In any event, this can only be checked with the final approved version, and that was exactly what we had asked staff to do because this is only logical. </div><div> We asked the authors to make changes based on the comment of the community. We made sure that the comments of the community were taken fully into consideration. We didn't bother about the problem statement because the problem statement does not go into the CPM. We understand that whichever way we go there would still be some who would not be happy with the decision. Therefore, we decided to remove the emotional sentiments asking that we move the policy back into the initial discussion stage, and we looked at this critically, but we could not find the reason to do this. We spent about two hours yesterday evaluating every point raised and we both evaluated the pros and cons extensively on every issue raised and we narrowed it down before arriving at our decisions. </div><div>On the issue of the legacy holders, we all know, and it was also confirmed to us on the mailing list that legacy holders are not subjected to the CPM of any of the RIR's. Some misunderstood this initially, and this was corrected. Can anyone point out any of the other issue(s)that wasn't addressed? Please let us remove the emotional and personal differences. </div><div><b>We made sure we followed the CPM to the letter on this issue,</b> and we believe that we did our best to bring this issue that has been a pain to the community laid to rest in a timely manner. As said earlier, whichever way we go, some would object to it, and we decided to deal with this once and for all in the best interest of the community with the least possible pain to the community. You elected us to serve the best interest of the community while leaving behind emotional issues, and we would continue to do just as best as we can. </div><div><br></div><div>Co-Chair, </div><div>PDWG</div><div> </div><div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 8:47 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Moses, all,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I feel that there is a fundamental mistake here and I beg you to reconsider it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">You've not waited for the staff confirmation about the reciprocity of the Inter-RIR transfers. What happens if now the staff comes back and confirms that we can’t decide in our policy what do to in other regions, so there is no reciprocity and so, we can’t implement this policy?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Accordingly, I strongly suggest that you change your mind, following section 3.5 of the PDP: “A person who disagrees with the actions taken by the Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with the PDWG Chair(s) or with the PDWG”.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The reasons for this are:<u></u><u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The only valid proposal version is the one that is published at the web site and then announced to the list. The authors did changes several times, that aren’t there. As we are discussing version 2, we should have a version 2.x to show those.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The staff must confirm the reciprocity of the last 2.x version in the list. As indicated in 3.4.3, you can extend the last-call to ensure that this is matched.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">This and other aspects, have been indicated several times by myself and others during the last-call. Those are valid-objections that remain unresolved and if you extend the last-call and agree with the latest changes from the authors, then could make sense, otherwise, it is impossible that you can declare the last-call and still “consensus”.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 8/10/20 1:37, "Moses Serugo" <<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">moses.serugo@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">Hello PDWG members,</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">Following the last online PPM held on 16<sup>th</sup>-17<sup>th</sup> September 2020. Last call was announced on 21<sup>st</sup> September 2020 for the following policy proposals.</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Board Prerogatives on the PDP</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Resource Transfer Policy</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:15pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">This is to further announce that the last call period for the above proposals has ended, based on feedback received from the community and the editorial changes made by authors to address community concerns, the consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still maintained.<br><br>Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board recommending ratification of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Co-Chairs </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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