<div dir="auto">Dear community, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I think there’s no need to even consult the previous Co-chairs, because procedurally pursuant to section 3.5(2) of the CPM, it clearly states that the appeal/disagreement must be made within 14 days from the date of the chair’s public decision. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As obvious as it is, all these sudden surge of disagreement/appeal are all made beyond the 14 days period.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Therefore, in practice, the Chair(s) is not even obliged to reconsider anything based on all these sudden surge of disagreement or appeal, in which such disagreement or appeal is not even made in accordance to section 3.5(2) of the CPM in the first instance.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">i see no reason in voicing out any appeal or disagreement at this point, as it should all be deemed invalid pursuant to section 3.5(2) of the CPM. +Gaby </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Elvis. </div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 0:00 Gaby Giner <<a href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Sorry Fernando, I think you are misleading everyone by overinterpreting it out of context. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Chair’s declarations made during the PPM happens to be the actions taken by the Chair(s) as well. The decision is publicly made through the online PPM which was on 17th September 2020. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Therefore, any appeal or disagreement on 2nd October 2020 onward should be deemed invalid. It is as plain and simple as that.</div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Gaby</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:07 PM Fernando Frediani, <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do not confuse people.<br>
</p>
<p>The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees with the actions
taken by the Chair(s)" not just with declarations made during the
PPM. The Chairs could have changed their decision meanwhile but
unfortunately they haven't done. They have just decided to keep it
and it is "a decision" which by the CPM bound to appeal.<br>
</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
<div>On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby Giner wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">Dear community,
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">I agree with Lucilla but only wish to add 1
point.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I think everyone has overlooked one huge
matter.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">It is true that by section 3.5(1) of the CPM
“A person who disagrees with the actions taken by the
Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with the PDWG Chair(s) or
with the PDWG”. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">However, I wish to remind everyone that by
section 3.5(2) of the CPM, “The appeal must be submitted
within two weeks of the public knowledge of the decision”. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Applying this into the current facts, the
Chair has publicly announced its decision on 17th September
2020 through the online PPM, whereas, the
disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 2020 onward,
which is factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Therefore, the disagreements/appeal made in
this email thread/mailing list must be deemed invalid and be
disregarded.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Gaby</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 9:05 PM
lucilla fornaro, <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Dear Sami, dear all,</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Most of the arguments supporting the
policy were not mere "opinions". </div>
<div dir="ltr">A quick reminder, the policy reached a
rough consensus during the PPM and went to the last
call for some editorial changes. The authors, Taiwo
and Anthony, proved to be remarkably active to manage
minor issues and solicitudes from the community. The
resource transfer policy aims to build a stable and
efficient resources management system for the Afrinic
service region.</div>
<div dir="ltr">The overall discussion has been full of
controversies undermining the work of the co-chairs,
an unfair behavior in my opinion. Also, the arguments
against the policy have been strongly taken apart. </div>
<div dir="ltr">We have been debating this policy for
weeks, it is now time to move it to the board for
ratification. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div>regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lucilla </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020
alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali Oulahcen via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
ha scritto:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I can't see how the "Resource Transfer Policy" could have
reached consensus.<br>
I think the co-chairs' prerogative is to declare consensus
on policies, <br>
not general opinions. And "we need an inter-RIR transfer
policy" is a <br>
general opinion, not a policy.<br>
The policy in question still had objections
(non-editorial) before last <br>
call. And it received significant changes during the last
call period <br>
(it is not what last call is meant for).<br>
<br>
Not that I have any interest in the policy itself being
ratified or not. <br>
It shouldn't be done this way.<br>
<br>
Just my 2c.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Sami<br>
<br>
On 10/8/20 12:30 AM, Moses Serugo wrote:<br>
> Hello PDWG members,<br>
> <br>
> Following the last online PPM held on 16^th -17^th
September 2020. Last <br>
> call was announced on 21^st September 2020 for the
following policy <br>
> proposals.<br>
> <br>
> * Board Prerogatives on the PDP<br>
> * Resource Transfer Policy<br>
> <br>
> This is to further announce that the last call
period for the above <br>
> proposals has ended, based on feedback received from
the community and <br>
> the editorial changes made by authors to address
community concerns, the <br>
> consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still
maintained.<br>
> <br>
> Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board
recommending ratification <br>
> of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Co-Chairs<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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