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<p>It seems that you are more interested in having this policy
passed at any cost than in putting consistent arguments in line
with the PDP. I prefer to discuss with arguments not with fans.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2020 11:14, Ibeanusi Elvis
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Dear Fernando,
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<div class="">There is no confusion here, Section 3.5.1 of the CPM
indeed said “disagrees with the actions taken by the Chair(s)”
and the actions bound to taken by the chairs is to make
declarations on behalf of the Board and the community.
Similarly, the decision of course can be appealed but according
to the CPM there is a time period to submit the appeal (Check
Section 3.5.2 of the CPM). Nonetheless, you have not answered my
pervious questions. Here is another one, Why should the Chairs
“have changed their decision?”. Remember, they made the decision
on behalf of the Board and the AFRINIC Community. Thanks. </div>
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<div class="">On Oct 8, 2020, at 23:03, Fernando Frediani
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<p class="">Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do
not confuse people.<br class="">
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<p class="">The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees
with the actions taken by the Chair(s)" not just with
declarations made during the PPM. The Chairs could
have changed their decision meanwhile but
unfortunately they haven't done. They have just
decided to keep it and it is "a decision" which by the
CPM bound to appeal.<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dear community,
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<div dir="auto" class="">I agree with Lucilla but
only wish to add 1 point.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I think everyone has
overlooked one huge matter.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">It is true that by
section 3.5(1) of the CPM “A person who
disagrees with the actions taken by the Chair(s)
shall discuss the matter with the PDWG Chair(s)
or with the PDWG”. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">However, I wish to remind
everyone that by section 3.5(2) of the CPM, “The
appeal must be submitted within two weeks of the
public knowledge of the decision”. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Applying this into the
current facts, the Chair has publicly announced
its decision on 17th September 2020 through the
online PPM, whereas, the disagreement/appeal is
only made on 2nd October 2020 onward, which is
factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Therefore, the
disagreements/appeal made in this email
thread/mailing list must be deemed invalid and
be disregarded.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Thanks,</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Gaby</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8,
2020, 9:05 PM lucilla fornaro, <<a
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Sami, dear all,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Most of the
arguments supporting the policy were not
mere "opinions". </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">A quick reminder,
the policy reached a rough consensus
during the PPM and went to the last call
for some editorial changes. The authors,
Taiwo and Anthony, proved to be remarkably
active to manage minor issues and
solicitudes from the community. The
resource transfer policy aims to build a
stable and efficient resources management
system for the Afrinic service region.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">The overall
discussion has been full of controversies
undermining the work of the co-chairs, an
unfair behavior in my opinion. Also, the
arguments against the policy have been
strongly taken apart. </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">We have been
debating this policy for weeks, it is now
time to move it to the board for
ratification. </div>
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<div class="">Lucilla </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio
8 ott 2020 alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali
Oulahcen via RPD <<a
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I can't see how the "Resource Transfer Policy"
could have reached consensus.<br class="">
I think the co-chairs' prerogative is to
declare consensus on policies, <br class="">
not general opinions. And "we need an
inter-RIR transfer policy" is a <br class="">
general opinion, not a policy.<br class="">
The policy in question still had objections
(non-editorial) before last <br class="">
call. And it received significant changes
during the last call period <br class="">
(it is not what last call is meant for).<br
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Not that I have any interest in the policy
itself being ratified or not. <br class="">
It shouldn't be done this way.<br class="">
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Just my 2c.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
Sami<br class="">
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On 10/8/20 12:30 AM, Moses Serugo wrote:<br
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> Hello PDWG members,<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Following the last online PPM held on
16^th -17^th September 2020. Last <br
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> call was announced on 21^st September
2020 for the following policy <br class="">
> proposals.<br class="">
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> * Board Prerogatives on the PDP<br
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> * Resource Transfer Policy<br class="">
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> This is to further announce that the
last call period for the above <br class="">
> proposals has ended, based on feedback
received from the community and <br class="">
> the editorial changes made by authors to
address community concerns, the <br class="">
> consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is
still maintained.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Co-Chairs will now send a report to the
Board recommending ratification <br class="">
> of the two above proposals in line with
CPM 3.0.<br class="">
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> Regards,<br class="">
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> Co-Chairs<br class="">
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