<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica">Dear Jordi, dear all</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica">as you mentioned several times, the staff don’t need to assess the subject line, neither if it is abuse or not. Then, if having a valid contact is what you intend to propose, why don't you acknowledge Lamiaa’s proposal that aims to include abuse-c as part of whois registration under the section 7.5.1 "Registering contact persons" that already covers the other mandatory contact - admin-c or tech-c?</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica">See my comments in line:</p><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 21 set 2020 alle ore 19:34 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="gmail-m_8199667497519877810WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Lucilla,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The policy only needs to state *<b>what the staff should evaluate</b>* and thus, what members should do. The staff don’t need to evaluate the subject line, neither if it is actually an abuse or not.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The staff just need to evaluate the abuse mailbox works.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="text-align:left"><font color="#cc0000"><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">If</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">you</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> do </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">not</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">define</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> or </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" s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l-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">define</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">it</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> works? </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">You</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> are </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">asking</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">them</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> to </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">respond</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> to emails in a </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW50128863 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail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0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="gmail-m_8199667497519877810WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><font color="#cc0000"> </font></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="gmail-m_8199667497519877810WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">And last, even if this has been responded several times: The proposal doesn’t tell AFRINIC that they should judge if it is an abuse or not!</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font color="#cc0000"><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">But</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">you</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">tell</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">them</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> to </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">judge</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_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/span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">even</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> </span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">worse</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">!</span></span><span class="gmail-EOP gmail-SCXW234994960 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif"> </span> </font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="gmail-m_8199667497519877810WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">And yes, it is in the scope of AFRINIC to have the contacts accurate and to manage correctly the resources. Please read the legal documents!</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font color="#cc0000">  <span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW250106876 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW250106876 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit">No, it is not. Legal documents are made by lawyers, and it is for the Afrinic</span></span><span class="gmail-TextRun gmail-SCXW250106876 gmail-BCX4" lang="EN-GB" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-variant-ligatures:none"><span class="gmail-NormalTextRun gmail-SCXW250106876 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;background-color:inherit"> limited, not for community. It is the AFRINIC community which defines what to do.</span></span><span class="gmail-EOP gmail-SCXW250106876 gmail-BCX4" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:11pt;line-height:18.34583333333333px;font-family:Helvetica,Helvetica_EmbeddedFont,Helvetica_MSFontService,sans-serif"> </span> </font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="gmail-m_8199667497519877810WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 21/9/20 12:00, "lucilla fornaro" <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)">If you do not define or give an input of what abuse is, then how can you properly manage people's mailbox's subject line?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)">This is a crucial element, in my opinion. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)">More importantly, the proposal aims to supply AFRINIC of something that has nothing to do with its scopes. It is not up to AFRINIC to rule like a local court or local policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)">As mentioned several times, asking AFRINIC to act as a central government goes against the main element that identifies the Internet: decentralization. The Internet is controlled by many, no one can own it, control it, or switch it off for everyone.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)"> AFRINIC should not evaluate how I manage MY mailbox. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(14,16,26)">Lucilla <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Il giorno lun 21 set 2020 alle ore 14:33 Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>> ha scritto:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear chairs,<br><br>On 21/09/2020 03:04, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:<br>> 6.       Abuse Contact Update<br>> <br>> The proposal makes it mandatory for AFRINIC to include in each resource<br>> registration, a contact where network abuse from users of those<br>> resources will be reported.  The proposal whois DB attribute (abuse-c)<br>> to be used to publish abuse public contact information. There’s also a<br>> process to ensure that the recipient must receive abuse report and that<br>> contacts are validated by AFRINIC regularly. However, there some<br>> opposition to the proposal there are:<br>> <br>> a.                   Staff analysis on how it affects legacy holder not<br>> conclusive  (not sure why this should affect legacy holders)<br>> <br>> b.                  The proposal doesn’t state what will be the<br>> consequences of one member fails to comply. Why are we creating the<br>> abuse contact when there is no consequence for not providing the abuse<br>> contact<br>> <br>> c.                   Abuse contact email and issues with GDPR concerning<br>> the whois database<br>> <br>> d.                  No proper definition of the term Abuse<br>> <br>> e.                  To force members to reply to their abuse email is<br>> not in the scope of AFRINIC.<br>> <br>> Chairs Decision: No rough consensus<br><br>About d. "No proper definition of the term Abuse"<br>yes, this was mentioned several times by members opposing.<br>The proposal is about "abuse contacts". it is not about what "abuse" is.<br>there is no need for a definition of "abuse".<br>In my humble opinion the request for a definition of abuse is off-topic.<br><br>Question: if someone makes a proposal about lame DNS servers in domain<br>objects for Reverse-DNS, and I object arguing that a definition of RPKI<br>is needed - what would you do with this argument?<br>Q2: can arguments about a proposal be irrelevant to this proposal?<br>Q3: was that the case here? were arguments, that a definition for abuse<br>    is required, irrelevant?<br><br>I request chairs' response to Q2 and Q3.<br><br><br>About e. "To force members to reply to their abuse email is not in the<br>scope of AFRINIC."<br>Yes, that was mentioned several times.<br>And also this is something the proposal does not do and does not attempt.<br>And all the comments about (d.) above apply.<br><br><br>If irrelevant objections are taken as valid arguments, please note that<br>I foresee that any future proposal can get rejected and the PDP will be<br>stuck.<br><br><br>About c. "Abuse contact email and issues with GDPR concerning the whois<br>database"<br>- I didn't see that on the mailing list, can you remind us, or was that<br>only during the live session?<br>- there are other contact information in whois. can staff confirm<br>whether AfriNIC are GDPR compliant?<br>- would that status change if abuse contacts would be added?<br><br><br>About b. "The proposal doesn’t state what will be the consequences of<br>one member fails to comply. Why are we creating the abuse contact when<br>there is no consequence for not providing the abuse contact"<br>- I can imagine that AfriNIC would include in their meeting<br>presentations information regarding how big (in measurable terms) this<br>problem is.<br>- from that the WG can discuss and decide if more actions are necessary.<br><br><br>About a. "Staff analysis on how it affects legacy holder not conclusive<br> (not sure why this should affect legacy holders)"<br>I didn't see that before, but as is tradition in my part of the world,<br>let me respond to the question with a question:<br>Are legacy holders subject to any for the PDWG's policies?<br><br><br>Thanks,<br>Frank<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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