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<p dir="auto">Dear Chloe, all, [response inline]</p>
<p dir="auto">On 30 Sep 2020, at 17:53 EAT, Chloe Kung wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Like for objection d; no proper definition of the term Abuse, there is still a need to address on it. Yes the proposal is about “building” abuse contact, but just like what Jordi has said, “ The policy only needs to state what the staff should evaluate and thus, what members should do”, if the definition of the word/ act of Abuse is not clear, how can the staff evaluate such action then? Let's say if they interpret those cases in their own different ways, it will not be fair to any of the parties nor would it be something we want I suppose. And there are high chance of having mis-interpretation too!</p>
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<p dir="auto">Note that we have a tech-c contact for technical issues. There is no definition of what constitutes ‘technical’ issues for a tech-c contact. The requirement in this proposal is therefore not to define abuse. The requirement is for the holder of resources to specify where abuse complaints (by the definition <em>of the person complaining</em>) should go. Validation is only that it is a working destination that is active.</p>
<p dir="auto">If someone sends you non abuse (by <em>your</em> definition) to your abuse contact your response is simply “This doesn’t constitute abuse because XYZ”. XYZ can be as simple as “the laws in my country and my AUP don’t prohibit such behaviour” or “connecting to port 80 is how browsers work”. If someone escalates to AFRINIC the only thing AFRINIC will ask is “Did Chloe’s abuse contact respond?”. Beyond that AFRINIC should not get involved.</p>
<p dir="auto">Please give an example of a situation where a complaint requires AFRINIC to describe abuse.</p>
<p dir="auto">--<br>
patrick</p>
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