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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Gaby, all,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>In my opinion, and the opinion of a few other community members, also objections B and E have been resolved, so they aren’t valid. In fact, if we accept those objections, probably half of the CPM will be out of scope and invalid.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I just sent the appeal to the Appeal Committee, and I will also be forwarding it to the list in a minute.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now is time to rest this thread and await either an alternative decision of the chairs or from the Appeal Committee.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 30/9/20 16:22, "Gaby Giner" <<a href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Noah, Jordi, everyone,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I am confused. Everyone is raising the claim that there are "invalid" objections and though I do not reject that statement, it seems like it's being used here to automatically dismiss the objections raised by the community as for this policy. It was kindly summarized for us by the Co-chairs, and just to get everyone up to speed, here are THE objections to this policy:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:71.4pt;line-height:11.75pt'><span lang=EN-PH>6.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Abuse Contact Update</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:11.75pt'><span lang=EN-PH>a. <i>Staff analysis on how it affects legacy holder not conclusive (not sure why this should affect legacy holders)</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:11.75pt'><i><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span></i><i><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span></i><i><span lang=EN-PH>The proposal doesn’t state what will be the consequences of one member fails to comply. Why are we creating the abuse contact when there is no consequence for not providing the abuse contact</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:11.75pt'><i><span lang=EN-PH>c. Abuse contact email and issues with GDPR concerning the whois database.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:11.75pt'><i><span lang=EN-PH>d. No proper definition of the term Abuse</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:11.75pt'><i><span lang=EN-PH>e. To force members to reply to their abuse email is not in the scope of AFRINIC.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>Okay, people have addressed several concerns such as A, C, D but I think B and E deserve to be raised up as well because (and maybe it is just me being overwhelmed with the barrage of emails lately) I haven't read enough rebuttal for these points. Even if one were to consider that they are not valid objections, one could not steamroll the policy into last call immediately without addressing the entirety of the summarized objections from the community discussion by saying that every objection is invalid.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Gaby<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:23 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:20 AM Madhvi Gokool <<a href="mailto:madhvi@afrinic.net" target="_blank">madhvi@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Frank/Community members<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>a) In the Impact Assessment, staff assumed that the policy will not impact the legacy resources in the AFRINIC whois database and requested the authors to confirm that this is so. AFRINIC staff needs to keep this in consideration at the time of implementation(myafrinic and whois business rules) - abuse-c mandatory for non-legacy resources. Staff were therefore satisfied with this confirmation and had not indicated otherwise to the co-chairs and community in the session.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>b) "AFRINIC is bound by the Mauritian Data Protection Act 2017 (inspired by GDPR). For more information on AFRINIC's Privacy Policy, click on the following link - <span style='color:black'><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/privacy" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/privacy</a>. Thus, implementation of the abuse-c will not impact negatively on AFRINIC's data protection obligations."</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>c) The only policy that affects the legacy resource holders is documented in Section 5.7 of the CPM - and it regards transfers of legacy resources. Legacy Holders are not bound by any other resource policies. <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Staff therefore will confirm with the authors that their policies do not affect legacy resources , especially when implementation will be done on the whois database. This is to ensure that the implementation does not negatively impact how the legacy resource holders manage their resources on the whois database. <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>d) In the Policy Implementation Experience Report during AFRINIC-32/AIS'20 , staff have pointed out that Section 8 of the CPM does not enforce a mandatory abuse contact . They also mentioned that they are having to respond to an increase in complaints regarding missing abuse contacts in the number resources in the AFRINIC whois database and that operators have warned that they will filter the resources with no abuse contacts. Staff are therefore doing the work for the members , as they are bound to respond to any queries that are logged with the AFRINIC service desk. This situation is not scalable in the long term & AFRINIC invites the community to also ponder on this feedback.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Madhvi thanks for all the clarifications beyond the staff assessment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Clearly this proposal had no valid objections, yet it was tossed back to the list based on invalid definitions arguments as though we are all not internet folk to understand what <b>abuse-c</b> really means.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Can we move forward to the last call now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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