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<p>Hi Lamiaa,</p>
<p>The link and all related quotes below relates to a dashboard
policy.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge this policy isn't being pushed, we're
pushing the abuse contact policy, which has now been officially
dragging 2 years, the longest open proposal without resolution.
The dashboard is a different proposal, and I would welcome such a
dashboard, whether or not it should be a matter of policy is a
different discussion.<br>
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<p>Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
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On 2020/09/30 17:26, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
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I am very disappointed with what you are doing. There are a
vast amount of significant objections that clearly state this
policy is a no-go.<br>
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And it is not only a no-go here, but you have also been
clearly told so in RIPE as well for the same policy. Why are
you not questioning the decision of the RIPE working group on
the same policy and with very similar major objections?<br>
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A simple google would find you the following results (<a
href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2020-May/013189.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2020-May/013189.html</a>),
and they are all coming from veterans of the RIPE community:<br>
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“Members who "care" will probably deal with issues and those
who don't care won't start caring, so I'm struggling to see
what value this brings”<br>
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Mr Michele Neylon<br>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
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“Why does this need to be a policy? This is an operational
implementation thing, not a strategic direction issue.”<br>
<br>
Nick Hilliard<br>
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“I’m even more confused and struggling to understand how this
is relevant to the AP WG. Could you please explain?<br>
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First of all, this dashboard thing is an operational service
matter. Please clarify why you think it needs to be a policy
issue.<br>
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Next, if you wanted to know if the NCC is considering this
dashboard idea, you could simply have asked them. Or raised
the matter in the NCC Services WG. Have you done either of
those things? If so, what was the response?”<br>
<br>
Jim Reid<br>
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Just to quote a few.<br>
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People have been repeatedly telling you multiple times: this
is not a good policy, and you counter-arguing with the chair
and saying you have addressed those concerns is not really a
way to work constructively.</font>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Regards,</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 30 sept. 2020 à 16:05,
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<p>Hello Chloe, would you support the same reasoning for the
Resource Transfer Policy as well ?</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div>On 30/09/2020 11:53, Chloe Kung wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi
Jaco, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I
don’t see why you cannot find valid objections and
hence think this proposal should be in the last
call. I agree with Gaby. The fact that many of us
are still discussing the matter and object the
proposal in all different reasons, is the prove of
there is no reaching rough consensus. And so we
should not rush it into last call just because some
think it’s doing good or all problems have been
taken care of. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Like
for objection d; no proper definition of the term
Abuse, there is still a need to address on it. Yes
the proposal is about “building” abuse contact, but
just like what Jordi has said, “ The policy only
needs to state what the staff should evaluate and
thus, what members should do”, if the definition of
the word/ act of Abuse is not clear, how can the
staff evaluate such action then? Let's say if they
interpret those cases in their own different ways,
it will not be fair to any of the parties nor would
it be something we want I suppose. And there are
high chance of having mis-interpretation too! </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Chloe
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