+1 Daniel. <div><br></div><div>I was personally in Luanda and don't need to watch that video to debunk any claim. Cochairs telling authors to work together for the good of the community is by every means welcomed. </div><div><br></div><div>In Hammammet Jordi presented his proposal and was ready to work with the community as indicated and proofed by his actions but instead some sad racial remarks were dished out. We don't need video evidence for that the videos are there for the world to see.</div><div><br></div><div>Is it even possible for the cochairs to force authors to work together?, it sounds absurd. Cochairs can give advice for positive outcome. It's high time we start putting the community before our personal vendetta. Cochairs are not robots who stick to a certain script. I won't personally want to see a cochair who sits down while the community tears itself apart.<br><br>On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Dear All, <br>
    </p>
    <p>I wish to start my comments from Jordi's statements. I totally
      agree that we should look at policy proposals from the perspective
      of whether is it good for the community. <br>
    </p>
    <p>1. There is a silent conspiracy of competition where community
      members are competing against each other to push personal agenda,
      rather than proposing a policy that truly serves the interest of
      all. <br>
    </p>
    <p>2. I agree that the attempts made by Jordi in getting the other
      two  Inter-RIR proposals authors to come to an agreement to have a
      common document is laudable. However, I am also aware that the
      authors (Taiwo and Co.) agree to Jordi's suggestion and had a
      discussion. The outcome of the meeting suggests that Jordi and
      Taiwo's group have an open mind towards having an acceptable and
      possibly a working proposal.</p>
    <p>3. To further show good faith Jordi opted to support Taiwo and
      Co's proposal (if I am not mistaken). I believe Jordi is  still
      committed to that and will want to see that we all support this
      effort especially with the call of the Co-Chairs.</p>
    <p>4. I don't  want to believe we at an "Ego" war, where some people
      will feel defeated, because there was no competition in the first
      place.</p>
    <p>5. I am sure the spirit behind the Co-chairs call is to see an
      end to this perceive competition which is unhealthy and time
      consuming.</p>
    <p>6. We all agreed that Inter-RIR policy is desirable, and we
      cannot have one in isolation of the other RIRs. Therefore,
      openness on this is very important, hence we should align with a
      policy that pushes that.</p>
    <p>7. I see a significant attempt to strangulate the Co-chairs
      because their call did not go the way of some members of the
      community. I will want to caution here that we can easily create a
      vicious cycle, where no Co-chair can ever make a call on any
      proposal without being hanged. This also can lead to members of
      the community refusing to be Co-chair and we will one day be left
      stranded.</p>
    <p>It is important we give the Co-chairs a breather and salute their
      courage in navigating the maze of the issues on ground and bring
      us to some point. I suggest we concentrate on refining the
      proposal on call.</p>
    <p>Simply,</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div>On 29/09/2020 10:31 am, JORDI PALET
      MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I don’t need to look into the video again. I
            was there, I recall all the details, I also understand
            Marcus point but we need to put everything in the right time
            and context, and recognize all the historic facts at the
            same time BUT look into what is best for the community:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">My Inter-RIR proposal was the first one.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I think the *<b>minimum</b>* that people that
              don’t like a proposal should do, *<b>before submitting a
                competitive proposal</b>*, is to talk in the list and/or
              in private with the authors of an earlier proposal to try
              to agree. As an example of what I think is the right
              behavior: I did that before the Dakar meeting, for a
              completely different topic (it doesn’t matter for this
              discussion), and only after not having reaction from the
              authors in months and meeting them in Dakar, I submitted
              my “competing” proposal . Then I withdraw it in Hammamet
              under the promise from the authors that they will this
              time take it – nothing happened.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">So, what I would have expected for proposal 2
              and 3 authors is to first contact me to try to resolve it.
              Specially because one of the authors of one of those
              proposals was the one telling me in Hammamet that I was
              not doing right competing to them and “I was just a guest
              there …” (and no code of conduct was applied). Not nice.
              Even in that situation, I’m always be very happy, as I’ve
              said many times, to work with other committed authors.
              People that respond to emails, people that really want the
              good of the community, *<b>even</b>* if this is against
              their own personal views. I’ve demonstrated many times,
              that I’ve supported points or even complete proposals that
              I was personally against, but I recognize it was the good
              of the community.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Nevertheless, all that *<b>doesn’t care at
                all</b>*. Proposals are not about authors, are about
              what is the best for the community!<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">This is why my proposal has aspects that I
              was not agreeing or considering necessary, such as the ASN
              or the security belt: because I was hearing the community
              inputs. Consequently, I’ve been always happy to
              incorporate or remove or reword any points if that means
              reaching consensus in something that is good for the
              community. Of course, if I strongly believe that is “bad”
              I will try to find a middle-agreement point. This is what
              *<b>consensus</b>* means!<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Before Luanda, co-chairs, staff and other
              authors can confirm, I’ve tried to find an agreement,
              organize a call, or even a meeting in Luanda among all
              (before the PPM), etc. and have a single proposal (note
              that I’m not saying this or that proposal, just something
              in common). I’ve even met in person one of the authors in
              the previous IETF, he got no time for trying to fix it.
              There was no way to agree. Somehow, I was thinking that
              one of the proposals was closer to what I think is the
              best for the community - again, NOT FOR ME, I’m irrelevant
              – I can “concede” (the latin original meaning of
              consensus) in what is not essential for me, if it is still
              good for the community.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve been always open to keep finding an
              agreement and this is why I keep trying to fix, at the
              moment, not my proposal, but the one that looks closer to
              what is best to the community *<b>even if is not my
                proposal – doesn’t care!</b>*.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">If we can’t resolve this now, I will proceed
              again with my proposal unless we can find a common
              agreement of what is the *<b>best for the community</b>*,
              not any authors personal preferences, not subjective views
              of anyone and 1<sup>st</sup> respecting as much as we can
              the actual policy because some members already used that
              one and will not be fair that they now are “losers” in
              front of who is coming later (unless as part of the
              proposal we can give them back the same benefits).<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">So
              please, let’s stop subjective considerations, including
              “this is not the right problem statement”, and many
              others, and concentrate in getting it right *<b>for the
                best of the community</b>*, being fair with all the
              parties as much as we can, including those that already
              applied to the actual CPM.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 29/9/20
              11:05, "lucilla fornaro" <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>
              escribió:<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
                Marcus,<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I have
                    watched the video that you linked carefully. I don't
                    see how it can be relevant now. The video was
                    uploaded 9 months ago, and it concerns another
                    discussion. It is pointless for the current one.<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">How is
                    the co-chairs' behavior defamatory? There is no
                    damaging of the good reputation of anyone.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lucilla<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
            </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Il giorno
              mar 29 set 2020 alle ore 17:34 Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>
              ha scritto:<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121">Hi Taiwo,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121">If you watch the video below
                    from section 3:07:30 - 3:11:00, you will notice that
                    the cochairs attempted to force Jordi to drop his
                    proposal and support Taiwo/Anthony proposal and then
                    asked Taiwo/Anthony to drop theirs to support Jordi
                    and both groups refused. The cochairs then suggested
                    that the two can work together only to be told by
                    remote participant that this is not how the PDP
                    works and the cochairs then asked for staff
                    analysis.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121">This was a clear violation of
                    the PDP by cochairs by attempting to force authors
                    of 1st and 2nd proposals to work together knowing
                    very well there is a 3rd similar proposal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121">Defamation is easy to prove
                    within an open and transparent process.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121">Link: <a href="https://youtu.be/DF0AFeaNiS0" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/DF0AFeaNiS0</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;background:white"><span style="color:#212121">Marcus<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Taiwo Oyewande <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2020 5:24:07 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>;
                    Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" target="_blank">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>;
                    rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy Proposal
                    v.3.docx</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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              </div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi
                    all, <u></u><u></u></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Discussing
                      a problem statement that will not be implemented
                      in the CPM is not really taking us forward. <u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">There
                      is an obvious war against the co chairs for doing
                      a job that the community mandated them to do by
                      the status of their election. The co-chairs
                      discussed each points raised with the various
                      authors and tried to see if all the points were
                      duly addressed before making their decisions. <u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
                      saw a false and misleading statement about the
                      cochairs trying to get the authors of 2 of the 3
                      related policies against the authors of the 3rd
                      policy. Is this what members of this working group
                      has turned to?<u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Trying
                      to create a bad name for another member using
                      scenarios that never occurred. I think that is the
                      height of desperation and such defamation of
                      character should not be encouraged on this list<u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Taiwo<u></u><u></u></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
                        <br>
                        <u></u><u></u></p>
                      <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt">On
                          25 Sep 2020, at 14:17, Marcus K. G. Adomey
                          <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                          <u></u><u></u></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear
                              all, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The
                                Policy “Resource Transfer Policy”
                                (AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT01) proposed by
                                Anthony Ikechukwu Ubah and Taiwo
                                Oyewande is based on a fake problem for
                                our region.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">(1)
                                “The current policy fails to support a
                                two-way Inter-RIR policy” – And so what?
                                This was an intra-RIR transfer policy,
                                not meant to be Inter-RIR<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">(2)
                                “there by hindering smooth business
                                operation”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Can
                                the authors of the policy show how the
                                current situation is “hindering smooth
                                business operation?”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Further,
                                they should tell us what they mean by
                                “smooth business operation”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">(3)
                                “development and growth in the region”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Can
                                the authors of the policy prove that the
                                current status is hindering “development
                                and growth in the region”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It
                                is clear that the authors of the policy
                                have used unsubstantiated claims to
                                buttress the need for this policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Basically,
                                the Resource Transfer Policy is intended
                                to take Internet Resources on one region
                                to the other. We all know that Africa is
                                at its developing stage and needs more
                                internet resources to support its
                                developmental process. Accepting this
                                policy means that the little resources
                                left in our region will be taken away,
                                especially when we don’t have the
                                mechanism in place to enforce the
                                auditing of the use of the allocated
                                resources.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Moreover,
                                any unmanaged inter-RIR transfer policy
                                will weaken the development of the
                                Internet in the region as we have no
                                control over this global market which
                                never played in our favor. It may also
                                affect AFRINIC operations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Recent
                                findings discussed on this list show how
                                transferred resources are being used.
                                The global community is yet to discuss
                                the impact on transfer. I am more
                                concerned for our region.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Reconsider
                                your decision and let us discuss the
                                best approach to engage the Region into
                                the global resources transfer world.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Marcus<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                          <hr width="100%" size="0" align="center"></div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" target="_blank">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>><br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020
                              8:59 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
                              Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Transfer Policy
                              Proposal v.3.docx</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
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                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hello,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Can the authors
                                of the resource transfer policy in the
                                last call explain, which problem is
                                being addressed?<br>
                                <br>
                                The problem statement is awkward to say
                                the least. The issue with the problem
                                statement was raised in Luanda and
                                during the virtual AIS. How can we can
                                adopt a proposal when the
                                problem statement is out of scope of the
                                PDP?<br>
                                <br>
                                ——-<br>
                                1. Summary of the problem being
                                addressed by this proposal<br>
                                The current policy fails to support a
                                two-way Inter-RIR policy, thereby
                                hindering smooth business operation,
                                development, and growth in the region.
                                This proposal aims to establish an
                                efficient and business-friendly
                                mechanism to allow a number of resources
                                to be transferred from/to other regions.
                                This proposal outlines a model in which
                                AFRINIC can freely transfer number
                                resources to/from other regions, i.e.
                                RIPE NCC, APNIC, ARIN and LACNIC. This
                                includes both IPv4 addresses and AS
                                numbers.<br>
                                ——-<br>
                                <br>
                              </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                                Murungi Daniel</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
                              <br>
                              <u></u><u></u></p>
                            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Sep 23,
                                  2020, at 10:39 PM, Fernando Frediani
                                  <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">There is
                                    no much I can do other than state my
                                    <b>opposition to this proposal</b>
                                    to advance and reach any consensus
                                    mainly because 5.7.4.3 has been
                                    inverted from what was originally in
                                    the proposal and only changed at
                                    last minute due to some comments in
                                    the PPM going straight to last call
                                    which didn't give opportunity to the
                                    community re-evaluate this major
                                    change and if it's suitable to the
                                    region or not.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Co-Chairs
                                    cannot advance this proposal to
                                    rough consensus the way it is and I
                                    urge and ask them again to bring it
                                    back to discussion to find out a
                                    resolution to these opened issues.
                                    Multiple people raised substantial
                                    concerns about it already. There is
                                    no way it can be considered 'rough
                                    consensus'.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I also
                                    understand there may be a hurry to
                                    get a Inter-RIR transfer policy as
                                    soon as possible, but we must care
                                    about what is most important than
                                    that which is get policies to
                                    reflect what is really good for the
                                    region and not just to a few actors,
                                    even if it takes a bit longer. I
                                    support Jordi's suggestion to have
                                    another PPM in a few months so
                                    perhaps this proposal can advance
                                    from that point in time. LACNIC
                                    remained about 2 years without a
                                    Inter-RIR transfer policy after it
                                    run out of addresses for new
                                    organizations and survived. AfriNic
                                    will survive if it has to wait a few
                                    more months in order to get things
                                    really right.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Now
                                    going to the merit of the proposal
                                    specially the main point I oppose
                                    (5.7.4.3):<br>
                                    There is no sense at all to keep
                                    considering transferred legacy
                                    resources as legacy. This doesn't
                                    work that way and has a proper
                                    reason to be like that which is fix
                                    a historical internet problem and
                                    reduce legacy resources with time as
                                    they get transferred to 'normal'
                                    organizations who purchased them in
                                    the market for example.<br>
                                    In this way organizations receiving
                                    these resources are bind to the same
                                    rules everybody else making it much
                                    fair to everybody and making no
                                    distinction between members.<br>
                                    Allowing resources to remain
                                    considered legacy only contributed
                                    to abuses and unfairness allowing
                                    those who can pay more do whatever
                                    they like which is bad for the rest
                                    of the Internet community which are
                                    subject to the same rules  that
                                    apply equally to them.<br>
                                    If transferred legacy resources are
                                    not considered legacy anymore more
                                    and more they will apply equally for
                                    everybody as they become as a normal
                                    resource within any RIR. There has
                                    been a strong reason for this be
                                    like that until now and to continue
                                    like that.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards<br>
                                    Fernando<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
                                      23/09/2020 09:49, JORDI PALET
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                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Taiwo, all,<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I've looked into the doc.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Let me say something before going into a more detailed analysis: I *fully support* this proposal, and I will be happy to withdraw it once:<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">1) The staff confirms that all the points on the staff analysis have been cleared and thus, the policy could be implemented and will be functional in the intended purpose.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">2) The board ratifies the policy (which means also it passes the last call).<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Why? If anything in the process fails, I still believe my proposal is clearer and never mind is my proposal or this one I'm happy to work with the authors to make sure to resolve the issues that may happen as indicated in 1 and 2 above (hopefully there are no issues).<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I've now a more detailed analysis, please really, needs to be taken seriously with the staff or we may ruin the policy and not allow to be functional.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">There is something which doesn't make sense: The text in point 5.7. The CPM should be read always as "actual" so "soon will exhaust ..." is not logic, neither needed for the purpose of this policy. In addition, there are typos there ...<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">This is an editorial change that according to the PDP should be possible as part of the last call. I will suggest to keep it simple:<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">5.7 IPv4 Resources transfer<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">This policy applies to an organization with a justified need for IPv4 resources (recipients) and organizations with IPv4 resources which no longer need (sources).<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I see that the "disputes" issue has been resolved! Tks! Anyway, I think there is another editorial problem there.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Actual text:<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">5.7.3.1 The source must be the current rightful holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR, and shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR, and shall not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I suggest:<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">5.7.3.1 The source must be the current rightful holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR, in compliance with the relevant policies, and shall not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Keeping the "policies of the receiving RIR" is contradictory ... changing it with "relevant policies" allows both RIRs to ensure that everything is correct.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Grammar maybe, I'm not English native speaker:<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">"for 12 months period" or "for a 12 months period"<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think 5.7.3.3. doesn't add any value, it could be removed and doesn't change anything: if there is no limite, no need to mention it. If there is not agreement, clearly the transfer will not happen because the parties don't authorize it, and then the RIR(s) don't authorize it!<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Similarly 5.7.4.2. could be removed as well. We already said that the recipient should comply with policies (5.7.3.1), so what is this adding? Just superfluous text.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Note also my imputs in the previous email, regarding the hold period and the legacy status. I think 5.7.4.3, should be "IPv4 legacy resources "Transferred incoming or within AFRINIC IPv4 legacy resources will no longer be regarded as legacy resources".<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">5.7.5.1 is already indicated by the staff as something problematic with the actual wording. The transferring party (the source) may not have any relation (not a member) with the receiving RIR. With this text we are enforcing *all the RIRs* to offer a standard template and process on our mandate. WE CAN'T DO THAT. Our policies only have a mandate in AFRINIC, not in the other RIRs.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">If we just remove section 5.7.5, and leave it to the staff as part of the operational procedure, the the problem is resolved because the existing process among the all other 4 RIRs for transfers will be "joined" by AFRINIC. It is just a matter of interconection among systems and processes!<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think all this should be carefully studied among the authors and the staff and the chairs should make sure that the verstion coming to last call has corrected all those issues.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">I hope all this is useful.<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">Jordi<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 23/9/20 9:38, "Taiwo Oyewande" <a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank"><taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com></a> escribió:<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">    Hello PDWG,<u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></pre>
                                    <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">    Attached is the updated version of the Resource Transfer Policy proposal. As recommended, changes have been effected on sub-section  5.7.3.2, and 5.7.4.3 according to the co-chair summary. <u></u><u></u></pre>
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