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    <p>How can the legacy status be out of the scope if this proposal is
      exactly changing the opposite way it has been so far and is in
      several other places.<br>
      We cannot sweep it under the carpet and try to hide from this
      topic. If this keeps the way was changed at the last minute it
      must be brought back to discussion as it was a major change that
      cannot be simply ignored and "left for later".<br>
      Fernando<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/09/2020 21:20, Ibeanusi Elvis
      wrote:<br>
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      Dear Taiwo and everyone,
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      <div class="">I believe your revision with the proposal and also
        the ejection of the section 5.7.5 will resolve the complications
        that the proposal might have brought about as pointed out by
        some in the RDP Community. </div>
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      <div class="">Likewise, the revision of section 5.7.3.1 from "the
        compliance with the policies of receiving RIR” to “in compliance
        with the relevant policies”, hence, making the Inter-RIR
        transfer of resources smooth and efficient. And as pointed out
        the legacy status management is out of the scope of this policy
        proposal. The proposal to formulate a service level for legacy
        holders at various levels in accordance with the fees paid is a
        tremendous idea. </div>
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      <div class="">Thanks. </div>
      <div class="">ELVIS. </div>
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                  <div class="">Dear Taiwo, </div>
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                  <div class="">Thank you for your revision, I think
                    that removing section 5.7.5 solves most of the
                    issues claimed by some members, it would be better
                    to leave operational matters to the staff.</div>
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                  <div class="">Also, I agree that the legacy status
                    management is out of the scope of this policy
                    proposal, it would be appropriate to discuss it on a
                    different proposal and/or take the RIPE NCC as
                    evidence/source.</div>
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                  <div class="">Regards,</div>
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                  <div class="">Lucilla</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 29 set
                  2020 alle ore 04:42 Taiwo Oyewande <<a
                    href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>>
                  ha scritto:<br class="">
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                      <div class="">Dear Jordi:</div>
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                      <div class="">Thank you for your feedback, and
                        both of us have been taking it seriously.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">Please see our reply to your point:</div>
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                      <div class="">We agree with your point that we
                        should make an editorial change for the
                        following:</div>
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                      <div class="">Firstly, for 5.7.3.1, from </div>
                      <div class="">The source must be the current
                        rightful holder of the IPv4 address resources
                        registered with any RIR, and shall be in
                        compliance with the policies of the receiving
                        RIR, and shall not be involved in any disputes
                        as to the status of those resources.</div>
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                      <div class="">To</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class=""> The source must be the current and
                        rightful holder of the IPv4 address resources
                        registered with any RIR, in compliance with the
                        relevant policies, and shall not be involved in
                        any disputes as to those resources' status.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">And for 5.7.4.1, from </div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">A transfer from another RIR to
                        AFRINIC requires a need-based evaluation.
                        AFRINIC must approve the recipient's need for
                        the IPv4 number resources. In order for an
                        organization to qualify for receiving a
                        transfer, it must first go through the process
                        of justifying its IPv4 resource needs before
                        AFRINIC. That is to say, the organization must
                        justify and demonstrate before AFRINIC its
                        initial/additional allocation/assignment usage,
                        as applicable, according to the policies in
                        force. </div>
                      <div class="">A transfer from AFRINIC to another
                        RIR must follow the policy of the receiving RIR.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">To:</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">A transfer from another RIR to
                        AFRINIC requires a need-based evaluation.
                        AFRINIC must approve the recipient's need for
                        the IPv4 number resources. In order for an
                        organization to qualify for receiving a
                        transfer, it must first go through the process
                        of justifying its IPv4 resource needs before
                        AFRINIC. That is to say, the organization must
                        justify and demonstrate before AFRINIC its
                        initial/additional allocation/assignment usage,
                        as applicable, according to the policies in
                        force. </div>
                      <div class="">A transfer from AFRINIC to another
                        RIR must follow the relevant policies.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">As for 5.7.3.3 and 5.7.4.2, we do
                        not see the necessity to remove them, and we
                        believe it actually makes the policy clearer.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">We agree in removing section 5.7.5,
                        as we recognize that this is out of the policy's
                        scope, and operational matters should be left to
                        the staff.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">And we will also correct the grammar
                        mistake of 5.7.3.2.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">5.7.3.2 Source entities are not
                        eligible to receive any further IPv4 allocations
                        or assignments from AFRINIC for a period of
                        twelve (12) months after a transfer is approved.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">As for the legacy space part, we
                        believe that at this moment, compatibility is
                        the most essential aspect since both ARIN and
                        RIPE have a transfer policy that indicates
                        legacy space remains legacy. </div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">We consider legacy status management
                        as out of the scope of this policy proposal. We
                        suggest you to (or anyone who feels the need)
                        propose a service level to legacy holders at
                        different levels regarding the fees they have
                        been paying. </div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">If you think this’s necessary,
                        perhaps you can take reference from RIPE NCC’s
                        legacy policy: (see <a
href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/legacy-resources/ripe-ncc-services-to-legacy-internet-resource-holders"
                          target="_blank" class=""
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/legacy-resources/ripe-ncc-services-to-legacy-internet-resource-holders</a>
                        ), and we hope that you recognize that this is a
                        minor objection. We have addressed it by
                        inviting you to propose a more comprehensive
                        legacy solution to the community but not
                        forcefully done in the transfer policy, just
                        like the other regions did not.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">Should the Chair allow, we would
                        address the above point raised by you before
                        passing the last call.</div>
                      <br class="">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="">Kind regards</div>
                      <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
                        <blockquote type="cite" class="">On 28 Sep 2020,
                          at 12:37, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" class=""
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                          wrote:<br class="">
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                lang="EN-US">I don’t disagree that we
                                need one. That’s why I was the first one
                                to work on this matter. And as said, I
                                will be happy to support this *<b
                                  class="">one</b>* or *<b class="">any</b>*
                                proposal *<b class="">if</b>* it is
                                functional, not if will make us waste
                                our time because other RIRs will say
                                “I’m not going to use your procedure,
                                we, the 4 other RIRs have already one in
                                place. Are you going to cover our cost
                                for developing a special procedure with
                                you?”, not to say that the text has some
                                wording that is not coherent. I just
                                don’t want to keep repeating my points.
                                I think they are very objective.</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">You said it, and this is
                                the wrong part: “chosen”. By the
                                cochairs, with mistakes that make it
                                non-functional, which changes that
                                should not be done at this time in the
                                process. Without giving the other
                                proposals the same opportunity to change
                                things. May be then we could have chosen
                                a different one?</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                  lang="EN-US">The PDP is not about
                                  choosing, is about reaching consensus.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
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                                  lang="ES-TRAD">Jordi</span></p>
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                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                  lang="ES-TRAD">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 28/9/20
                                  13:26, "Gaby Giner" <<a
                                    href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank" class=""
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>
                                  escribió:</p>
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                                style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Jordi,</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think
                                  that we need to funnel our discussion
                                  to the relevant subject for this
                                  proposal. The region NEEDS an inter
                                  RIR transfer policy, and since one has
                                  already been chosen, we need to
                                  support it and not distract it with
                                  policies that could be better off
                                  being a separate policy.</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:35.4pt">As far as I
                                  know, AFRINIC is a registration
                                  entity. That's it. What
                                  members/clients do with the resources
                                  is not AFRINIC's business, and neither
                                  is how members route them. As Lamiaa
                                  has pointed out, once a member
                                  terminates their contract and changed
                                  their registration, it is out of the
                                  area of responsibility of AFRINIC how
                                  they route/do with their resources
                                  anymore. I don't think it's fair to
                                  burden AFRINIC with these
                                  "difficulties" since it's not in the
                                  job description anymore.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks,
                                        Gaby</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon, Sep
                                  28, 2020 at 7:01 PM Lamiaa Chnayti
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank" class=""
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
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                                      class="">Hello Jordi,<br class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      The salient point here is that
                                      AFRINIC only manages registration,
                                      not routing. We can make policies
                                      about registration of space, but
                                      not routing of the space. <br
                                        class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      If their upstream decides to route
                                      a space that wasn't registered to
                                      them, it is entirely in their
                                      upstream's right to do so. If the
                                      operator chooses to route space
                                      that doesn't belong to them and
                                      their upstream is okay with it, it
                                      is entirely out of the AFRINIC
                                      community's scope - just like any
                                      hijacking is out of the scope for
                                      the AFRINIC community (the same
                                      reason many have told you that the
                                      hijacking as policy violation is
                                      out of scope). <br class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      From AFRINIC's point of view, they
                                      have terminated the contract; they
                                      have changed the registration.
                                      What happens at the routing table
                                      isn't really AFRINIC's business
                                      nor their concern anymore. <br
                                        class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      They do not need to get anything
                                      back; those spaces can be
                                      allocated to a different member.
                                      It is entirely up to the one
                                      holding the space to have other
                                      operators recognize it. Please do
                                      remember, AFRINIC is wholly based
                                      on the voluntary cooperation of
                                      operators; if someone does not
                                      recognize AFRINIC's database as
                                      the "right" registration database
                                      and then start one of their own,
                                      they can definitely do it as it is
                                      entirely within their rights to do
                                      so. So the difficulty you were
                                      talking about is really out of the
                                      scope of AFRINIC.</span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                        style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"
                                        class="">Regards,</span></p>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">Lamiaa</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                <div class="">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le lun.
                                      28 sept. 2020 à 10:03, JORDI PALET
                                      MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                                        href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank" class=""
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                      a écrit :</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">Hi
                                            Ekaterina,</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">The
                                            termination of the contract
                                            is easy, but what happens if
                                            the operator keeps using
                                            those resources? How you
                                            enforce it to stop? What
                                            happens if the case is
                                            brought to the courts by any
                                            of the parties? How much
                                            time it takes? Meanwhile
                                            AFRINIC doesn’t get the
                                            resources back, so it is not
                                            able to redistribute them.
                                            This is not fantasy: we have
                                            a real case for millions of
                                            IP addresses right now in
                                            AFRINIC!</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">How
                                            much is the cost in terms of
                                            lawyers and wait time? Who
                                            is using meanwhile the
                                            resources? The bad guys.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">*<b
                                              class="">Partially</b>*
                                            that may be resolved if we
                                            have the AS0 proposal, but
                                            even in that case, that only
                                            works for the operators
                                            using the AS0 TAL!</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">Even
                                            if the resources are
                                            recovered, do you understand
                                            that AFRINIC procedure is to
                                            quarantine them for 12
                                            months before coming back to
                                            the pool?</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">So,
                                            what is the gain vs having
                                            12 months hold time? Easy,
                                            with the 12 months hold time
                                            the cost is much lower. I’m
                                            not talking only about money
                                            cost for AFRINIC in case of
                                            disputes, human resources to
                                            tackle them, etc., but also
                                            the cost of not being able
                                            to use those resources
                                            during the recovery time +
                                            the quarantine period.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">Again,
                                            that will be resolved,
                                            allowing to reduce the
                                            quarantine period, if we
                                            have the “policy compliance
                                            dashboard”.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">A /22
                                            can be obtained in AFRINIC
                                            just with a cost of 2.900
                                            USD (justifying an end-site,
                                            for example). You can easily
                                            sell this for 10 times more!
                                            So, it is a very small
                                            investment for a huge
                                            margin. Just think if you
                                            can repeat that every year,
                                            or actually many times per
                                            year, just creating a
                                            company for “only that”. How
                                            much it cost in the cheaper
                                            country in AFRICA to create
                                            a company? You don’t need
                                            offices, or anything like
                                            that, you can make a “fake”
                                            DC in your home.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">I
                                            don’t think it is a matter
                                            of the most “flexible and
                                            open” proposal. It is about
                                            that one that *<b class="">really
                                              works</b>* and is *<b
                                              class="">safer</b>*. If
                                            you followed the discussion
                                            on the first proposal (the
                                            one that I’ve presented in
                                            2018, with two approaches
                                            and several versions),
                                            across that discussion *<b
                                              class="">the community</b>*
                                            asked me to have a “security
                                            seat belt”, so if something
                                            goes wrong, it can be put in
                                            hold. I said it was not
                                            needed, but the community
                                            insisted, so I did. Now the
                                            community don’t want that.
                                            This only shows that the
                                            problem in developing
                                            policies, is that depending
                                            “who” is speaking, the
                                            authors get crazy at every
                                            version. However, if the
                                            chairs really consider only
                                            what are valid-objections
                                            this will not be an issue.
                                            But the problem is that
                                            consensus is being decided
                                            even considering invalid and
                                            refuted objections.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">May be
                                            some folks now understand
                                            better that when you do
                                            policy proposals, you need
                                            to look *<b class="">at a
                                              very broad context</b>*
                                            and not only in that
                                            specific RIR!</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US">It is
                                            impossible for an author to
                                            explain *<b class="">all
                                              this</b>* in each policy
                                            proposal. It is impossible
                                            for an author to explain all
                                            this in a *<b class="">8
                                              minutes</b>* presentation.
                                            There are *<b class="">many</b>*
                                            other aspects that you can’t
                                            realize if you’re not
                                            operating networks and
                                            participating in all the
                                            RIRs. Internet is global and
                                            you really need to consider
                                            everything. A specific
                                            region business and cultural
                                            details, are very important
                                            for the policy making
                                            process, but not forgetting
                                            the others!</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                              style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                              class="" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                              style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                              class="" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                              style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                              class="" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                              style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                              class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                            style="font-size:12pt"
                                            class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">El
                                              25/9/20 19:58, "Ekaterina
                                              Kalugina" <<a
                                                href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank" class=""
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>>
                                              escribió:</p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">Dear
                                              Jordi, dear all,</p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">Jordi,
                                              could you please elaborate
                                              a bit more on your
                                              statement: "the cost of
                                              “not-being-able to use
                                              those resources” for any
                                              number of providers is
                                              actually *lower* than the
                                              cost of a single recovery
                                              case!" </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">As
                                              far as I understood, the
                                              recovery is  be achieved
                                              though the termination of
                                              the contract. So what
                                              exactly is included in
                                              the  recovery costs? </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">In
                                              regard to your argument on
                                              the history of fraud in
                                              all the RIRs, I do not
                                              believe it is very
                                              relevant to the current
                                              discussion for a simple
                                              reason that the maximum
                                              allocation space is
                                              currently /22. Proving the
                                              need that is required for
                                              the allocation would cost
                                              thousands of dollars, so
                                              there is simply no
                                              incentive for businesses
                                              to commit such fraud. It
                                              would cost them way too </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">much
                                                and bring way to
                                                little. </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">In
                                                addition, I believe that
                                                our focus should be on
                                                passing the most
                                                flexible and open
                                                transfer  policy to
                                                incentivise the free
                                                flow of resources in and
                                                out of the region that
                                                is necessary for a
                                                steady economic
                                                development. </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">If
                                                there are so many
                                                concerns concerning
                                                potential resource abuse
                                                and fraud, perhaps a
                                                separate policy on fraud
                                                prevention ought to be
                                                introduced. Let us not
                                                try to kill all the
                                                possible birds with one
                                                stone and instead focus
                                                on solving one problem
                                                per policy. In my view,
                                                this is they only way to
                                                ameliorate the duties of
                                                AFRINIC staff and ensure
                                                the proper practical
                                                application of each
                                                policy. </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">Best
                                                wishes,</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">Kay </p>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:70.8pt"> </p>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">On
                                              Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 13:14
                                              JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a
href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" class=""
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>
                                              wrote:</p>
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                                              <div class="">
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="" lang="EN-US">Hi Ekaterina,</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">El 24/9/20 12:25, "Ekaterina Kalugina" <<a
href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" target="_blank" class=""
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      escribió:</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="">Hey everyone,</span></p>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""> </span></p>
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">@JORDI PALET MARTINEZ</a> <span
style="font-size:12pt" class="">you said, and I quote:</span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class="">>"An
                                                          ISP will not
                                                          need to return
                                                          even a /22
                                                          because he
                                                          loses 1.024
                                                          customers as
                                                          he can get
                                                          them back,
                                                          this is very
                                                          common
                                                          customer churn
                                                          in a matter of
                                                          weeks (even
                                                          days or hours
                                                          for big
                                                          ISPs)."<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          In this case,
                                                          ISP would not
                                                          need to bother
                                                          with resource
                                                          transfer.</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""> </span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">[Jordi]
                                                          At the
                                                          beginning of
                                                          the transfers
                                                          in other
                                                          regions, I was
                                                          *<b class="">against</b>*
                                                          that. In my
                                                          opinion when
                                                          operators
                                                          don’t need the
                                                          resources,
                                                          they should
                                                          return them
                                                          back to the
                                                          RIR. BUT we
                                                          all know, that
                                                          people is not
                                                          so honest, and
                                                          this will only
                                                          happen in an
                                                          utopic and
                                                          idealistic
                                                          world and
                                                          moreover, this
                                                          will still
                                                          need some
                                                          “agreement”
                                                          between
                                                          different RIRs
                                                          to allow those
                                                          resources that
                                                          are returned
                                                          to be
                                                          “transferred”
                                                          among RIRs.
                                                          Due to facts,
                                                          afterwards I
                                                          realized that
                                                          this is a need
                                                          for the global
                                                          community and
                                                          that’s why I
                                                          agreed with
                                                          those
                                                          policies, and
                                                          even started
                                                          to work on
                                                          them as an
                                                          author. </span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          However, I
                                                          believe a
                                                          situation may
                                                          occur when the
                                                          ISP is unable
                                                          to distribute
                                                          the allocated
                                                          resources for
                                                          whatever
                                                          reason. </span><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="">Even if we cannot predict the reason we
                                                          must still
                                                          account for
                                                          such
                                                          contingency.
                                                          And, in such
                                                          case, it does
                                                          not make sense
                                                          to block these
                                                          resources for
                                                          12 months from
                                                          being
                                                          transferred to
                                                          a place where
                                                          they are
                                                          actually
                                                          needed. This
                                                          would be
                                                          detrimental to
                                                          everyone
                                                          involved. </span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">[Jordi]
                                                          I don’t agree.
                                                          A transfer may
                                                          take several
                                                          weeks or even
                                                          months. It
                                                          depends on
                                                          many factors,
                                                          like the
                                                          justification
                                                          time among the
                                                          RIRs,
                                                          providing
                                                          documents,
                                                          etc. Even if
                                                          you discover
                                                          that in month
                                                          3 after you
                                                          have received
                                                          a /22, you no
                                                          longer need it
                                                          (which I doubt
                                                          it can be
                                                          true), this
                                                          means that the
                                                          resources will
                                                          be “unused”
                                                          during other
                                                          6-7 months. I
                                                          could agree
                                                          that the hold
                                                          time is just
                                                          6-8 months
                                                          instead of 12,
                                                          but non zero
                                                          is difficult,
                                                          because the
                                                          cost of
                                                          “not-being-able
                                                          to use those
                                                          resources” for
                                                          any number of
                                                          providers is
                                                          actually *<b
                                                          class="">lower</b>*
                                                          than the cost
                                                          of a single
                                                          recovery case!</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          In regard to
                                                          your
                                                          statement:<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          "However, a
                                                          “bad guy” will
                                                          easily use
                                                          that as an
                                                          excuse to
                                                          transfer the
                                                          resources in
                                                          days or
                                                          weeks."<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"
                                                          class="">Like
                                                          Anthony and
                                                          Lucilla
                                                          mentioned
                                                          before, such
                                                          action would
                                                          be a clear act
                                                          of fraud.I do
                                                          not see any
                                                          reason why
                                                          anyone would
                                                          willingly
                                                          commit such a
                                                          violation.
                                                          "Bad guys" are
                                                          not stupid,
                                                          and if someone
                                                          wants to take
                                                          an advantage
                                                          of AFRINIC,
                                                          they will, and
                                                          I do not think
                                                          the 12 months
                                                          cap would
                                                          prevent that
                                                          in any way. </span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">[Jordi]
                                                          Just look at
                                                          the histories
                                                          of frauds in
                                                          all the RIRs!
                                                          This is real
                                                          life. Holding
                                                          the resources
                                                          for 12 months,
                                                          breaks their
                                                          business
                                                          model. It
                                                          makes sense
                                                          because it is
                                                          quick money
                                                          and you can do
                                                          it with a very
                                                          tiny fraction
                                                          of money, once
                                                          and again and
                                                          again,
                                                          rotating among
                                                          different
                                                          RIRs, etc.</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          The only thing
                                                          it would
                                                          achieve, in my
                                                          view, is slow
                                                          down the flow
                                                          of resources
                                                          and create
                                                          stagnations
                                                          that could be
                                                          more costly
                                                          than any
                                                          retrieval
                                                          procedures in
                                                          case of fraud.</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">[Jordi]
                                                          To be
                                                          objective, we
                                                          will need to
                                                          get statistics
                                                          of “speed” of
                                                          transfers
                                                          among
                                                          different
                                                          RIRs, number
                                                          of frauds or
                                                          fraud
                                                          attempts,
                                                          etc., etc.,
                                                          etc. and many
                                                          of those
                                                          details
                                                          probably are
                                                          sensitive and
                                                          the RIRs will
                                                          not recognize
                                                          that, even if
                                                          anonymized.
                                                          There have
                                                          been fraud
                                                          cases in RIPE,
                                                          which
                                                          everybody
                                                          knows by word
                                                          of mouth, but
                                                          it has never
                                                          published …</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          But of course,
                                                          staff
                                                          assessment is
                                                          needed to have
                                                          full clarity
                                                          of this issue.</span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span class="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class="">Best,</span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class="">Kay</span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:05 AM Gaby Giner
                                                      <<a
                                                        href="mailto:gabyginernetwork@gmail.com"
                                                        target="_blank"
                                                        class=""
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gabyginernetwork@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      wrote:</p>
                                                  </div>
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                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">Hello guys,</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">This discussion is very interesting seeing
                                                          that it deals
                                                          with the most
                                                          probable or
                                                          likely outcome
                                                          with those
                                                          that would
                                                          want to take
                                                          advantage of
                                                          the system. We
                                                          can only wish
                                                          that the
                                                          clients would
                                                          be completely
                                                          honest with
                                                          their need,
                                                          but of course,
                                                          if they are
                                                          inclined to
                                                          lie, there is
                                                          no mechanism
                                                          that would
                                                          stop them from
                                                          doing so. I
                                                          would suggest
                                                          that the
                                                          proposal
                                                          include a
                                                          means or a way
                                                          to
                                                          authenticate
                                                          the need but
                                                          that would be
                                                          more trouble
                                                          than it is
                                                          worth and
                                                          would not be
                                                          entirely
                                                          foolproof. </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">Since we are dealing with finite and scarce
                                                          resources,
                                                          it's important
                                                          that the way
                                                          they are doled
                                                          out should be
                                                          systematic and
                                                          measured and
                                                          not just "I
                                                          need this. I
                                                          need this,
                                                          give me this".
                                                          Having said
                                                          that, I think
                                                          having a time
                                                          limit would
                                                          also cause
                                                          traffic for
                                                          the "need".
                                                          Regardless, as
                                                          Lucilla said,
                                                          these are
                                                          hypothetical
                                                          scenarios and
                                                          questions but
                                                          they may be
                                                          worth getting
                                                          into.</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">I'm interested in what the staff/authors
                                                          would have to
                                                          say on this
                                                          matter.</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">Thanks, Gaby.</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 2:59 PM JORDI PALET
                                                          MARTINEZ via
                                                          RPD, <<a
                                                          href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
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                                                        <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          mean a
                                                          non-realistic
                                                          situation. An
                                                          ISP will not
                                                          need to return
                                                          even a /22
                                                          because he
                                                          loses 1.024
                                                          customers as
                                                          he can get
                                                          them back,
                                                          this is very
                                                          common
                                                          customer churn
                                                          in a matter of
                                                          weeks (even
                                                          days or hours
                                                          for big ISPs).</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">However,
                                                          a “bad guy”
                                                          will easily
                                                          use that as an
                                                          excuse to
                                                          transfer the
                                                          resources in
                                                          days or weeks.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt">El 24/9/20 8:29, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
                                                          RPD" <<a
                                                          href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                                          escribió:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Exactly,
                                                          if you really
                                                          have that
                                                          situation you
                                                          can return
                                                          them and be
                                                          fair.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Anyway,
                                                          the example
                                                          that I’ve
                                                          presented is a
                                                          non-realistic
                                                          suggestion. It
                                                          is not
                                                          frequent that
                                                          an operator
                                                          loses
                                                          customers in
                                                          such way. It
                                                          is just the
                                                          perfect excuse
                                                          for “bad guys”
                                                          to get
                                                          resources and
                                                          resell them.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Remember
                                                          also that in
                                                          the actual
                                                          exhaustion
                                                          phase, they
                                                          can only get a
                                                          maximum of a
                                                          /22.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">El 24/9/20 4:03, "Fernando Frediani" <<a
                                                          href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          escribió:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin-left:177pt"
                                                          class="">We
                                                          can make in
                                                          another way:
                                                          if someone
                                                          justifies and
                                                          receives
                                                          resources from
                                                          AfriNic but
                                                          afterwards
                                                          realizes
                                                          something
                                                          changed and
                                                          doesn't need
                                                          those
                                                          addresses
                                                          anymore it
                                                          must give the
                                                          addresses back
                                                          to AfriNic so
                                                          it can
                                                          re-distribute
                                                          it in the most
                                                          fair way to
                                                          any other
                                                          organization
                                                          who goes
                                                          though the
                                                          same
                                                          justification
                                                          process. Why
                                                          is it
                                                          difficult to
                                                          think about
                                                          this fairness
                                                          with all
                                                          others in the
                                                          region ?</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin-left:177pt"
                                                          class="">Fernando</p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">On 23/09/2020 22:22, lucilla fornaro wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">Hello everyone,</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">I agree with what concerns the problem of the
                                                          time limit.
                                                          Companies will
                                                          refrain from
                                                          such behavior
                                                          because it is
                                                          too risky and
                                                          indicative of
                                                          possible
                                                          fraud.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">Jordi, Considering your example related to the
                                                          customers'
                                                          loss, I think
                                                          that it is
                                                          adverse for
                                                          the operator
                                                          to wait 12
                                                          months before
                                                          transferring
                                                          the addresses.
                                                          What is the
                                                          point in
                                                          holding
                                                          addresses that
                                                          they will not
                                                          be able to use
                                                          and deprive
                                                          someone else
                                                          of further
                                                          resources?
                                                          What if they
                                                          don’t get new
                                                          customers?
                                                          What if they
                                                          lose even more
                                                          customers? Too
                                                          many
                                                          hypothetical
                                                          questions,
                                                          that is why I
                                                          believe it is
                                                          more
                                                          straightforward
                                                          and more
                                                          convenient for
                                                          everyone to
                                                          facilitate the
                                                          process.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">I agree that recovery processes are expensive
                                                          and
                                                          time-consuming,
                                                          but we can say
                                                          the same for
                                                          those unused
                                                          resources.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">As well as you, I would like to know the
                                                          staff’s view
                                                          on this.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">Regards,</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">Lucilla </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">Il giorno mer 23 set 2020 alle ore 21:14 JORDI
                                                          PALET MARTINEZ
                                                          via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                                          ha scritto:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Hi
                                                          Anthony,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          think *<b
                                                          class="">somehow</b>*
                                                          you’re right,
                                                          clearly I
                                                          overlooked
                                                          this.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">We
                                                          don’t need a
                                                          time limit to
                                                          transfer
                                                          resrources
                                                          because that
                                                          will be a
                                                          demonstration
                                                          of the “the
                                                          need was not
                                                          justified”.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">However,
                                                          the problem of
                                                          this approach
                                                          is that if it
                                                          happens, the
                                                          staff *<b
                                                          class="">will
                                                          need to start
                                                          a recovery
                                                          process</b>*
                                                          which is long,
                                                          costly and a
                                                          big trouble.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">What
                                                          happens if the
                                                          *<b class="">false</b>*
                                                          justification
                                                          for the
                                                          transfer is: I
                                                          had the need 6
                                                          months ago,
                                                          but then I
                                                          lost customers
                                                          and now I
                                                          don’t need
                                                          anymore the
                                                          space, so I’m
                                                          transfering
                                                          it.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">What
                                                          happens if the
                                                          same operator,
                                                          repeat that
                                                          after another
                                                          6 months?
                                                          There are ways
                                                          to one and
                                                          again *<b
                                                          class="">justify
                                                          the need</b>*
                                                          and it is,
                                                          instead, very
                                                          dificult for
                                                          the staff to
                                                          act on the RSA
                                                          for recovery
                                                          and member
                                                          closure in
                                                          those cases.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          the other way
                                                          around, what
                                                          is the
                                                          “objection” if
                                                          we have that
                                                          hold time? I
                                                          can only see
                                                          one: If the
                                                          example above
                                                          (I lost
                                                          customers)
                                                          happens, the
                                                          operator need
                                                          to wait until
                                                          month 12
                                                          before
                                                          transfering
                                                          the addresses.
                                                          Is that really
                                                          so bad? Or it
                                                          is good
                                                          because he may
                                                          get new
                                                          customers
                                                          again?</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          think the
                                                          trade-off is
                                                          to have a good
                                                          balance and
                                                          ensure that we
                                                          avoid this
                                                          happening and
                                                          requiring the
                                                          staff to
                                                          invest
                                                          resources in
                                                          an
                                                          investigation
                                                          and recovery.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Could
                                                          the staff
                                                          provide a view
                                                          on this?</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Regarding
                                                          the legacy.
                                                          Yes, ARIN and
                                                          RIPE don’t
                                                          have it (I
                                                          think APNIC
                                                          has it, LACNIC
                                                          definitively
                                                          has it).
                                                          AFRINIC has it
                                                          right now. We
                                                          are removing a
                                                          very good
                                                          thing.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Why
                                                          it is so good?
                                                          Because legacy
                                                          holders aren’t
                                                          bound to the
                                                          RIRs RSAs, so
                                                          that’s
                                                          extremely bad
                                                          for the
                                                          overall
                                                          community.
                                                          They don’t pay
                                                          for *<b
                                                          class="">services</b>*
                                                          that all the
                                                          RIRs are doing
                                                          for them, so
                                                          all the
                                                          members are
                                                          covering that
                                                          part of the
                                                          cost. They’re
                                                          not bound to
                                                          RIR policies,
                                                          so they can
                                                          break the
                                                          rules of the
                                                          community all
                                                          the time and
                                                          we have no way
                                                          to react on
                                                          that.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          don’t agree on
                                                          the point of
                                                          the disputed
                                                          resources,
                                                          I’ve the
                                                          feeling that
                                                          somehow in the
                                                          process of
                                                          editing the
                                                          v2, it was
                                                          removed by
                                                          mistake and we
                                                          should have it
                                                          back. The
                                                          difference in
                                                          between
                                                          rightful
                                                          holder and
                                                          having a
                                                          dispute, is
                                                          depending on
                                                          who is saying
                                                          that, in case
                                                          of a dispute.
                                                          I will love
                                                          also to have
                                                          the staff
                                                          opinion on
                                                          that.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">As
                                                          well, can the
                                                          impact
                                                          analysis be
                                                          made clear? Is
                                                          that all fine
                                                          for the staff
                                                          after having
                                                          checked with
                                                          authors each
                                                          point?</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Please,
                                                          let’s make
                                                          this happen!</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:
                                                          12pt;"
                                                          class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:212.4pt">El 21/9/20 18:10, "Anthony Ubah" <<a
                                                          href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          escribió:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:212.4pt"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:212.4pt">Hello Jordi,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          We can sight
                                                          an instance
                                                          with APNIC as
                                                          a case study.
                                                          APNIC has a
                                                          transfer
                                                          policy that
                                                          doesn’t have a
                                                          time limit for
                                                          retransferring
                                                          resources and
                                                          time proves to
                                                          us that it
                                                          works.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          According to
                                                          APNIC, the act
                                                          of buying
                                                          space and
                                                          reselling it
                                                          right after
                                                          the purchase
                                                          seems to be
                                                          highly
                                                          unlikely
                                                          because of two
                                                          reasons.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          First of all,
                                                          most companies
                                                          buy space for
                                                          their own use,
                                                          and hence a
                                                          commodity
                                                          trading type
                                                          of business
                                                          doesn’t exist
                                                          in the IP
                                                          space
                                                          involved.<br
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                                                          Secondly,
                                                          since the
                                                          buyer is
                                                          required to
                                                          justify the
                                                          need of a
                                                          12-month
                                                          usage, if
                                                          he/she engages
                                                          in an activity
                                                          such as buying
                                                          the space and
                                                          then reselling
                                                          it right
                                                          after, this
                                                          indicative of
                                                          fraud because
                                                          it contravenes
                                                          the “NEED”
                                                          which is a
                                                          prerequisite
                                                          for receiving
                                                          such space.
                                                          This simply
                                                          implies that
                                                          the so-called
                                                          “NEED” which
                                                          they provided
                                                          was fake.
                                                          Hence,
                                                          companies will
                                                          refrain from
                                                          engaging in
                                                          such
                                                          behaviour.<br
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                                                          As for the
                                                          legacy
                                                          transfer, I
                                                          believe both
                                                          ARIN and RIPE
                                                          have the cases
                                                          of a
                                                          transferred
                                                          legacy space
                                                          remained as a
                                                          legacy. APNIC
                                                          may be
                                                          different, but
                                                          I think this
                                                          is just a
                                                          different sort
                                                          of opinion and
                                                          should not be
                                                          read as an
                                                          objection.
                                                          Also, what
                                                          matters the
                                                          most is that
                                                          if we follow
                                                          ARIN, we can
                                                          receive space
                                                          from them.
                                                          Definitely
                                                          this is a
                                                          significant
                                                          advantage.<br
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                                                          As for the
                                                          disputed
                                                          resources,
                                                          since AFRINIC
                                                          have to know
                                                          who the
                                                          rightful
                                                          holder of the
                                                          spaces are
                                                          before
                                                          transferring
                                                          them. I don’t
                                                          think this
                                                          would be a
                                                          concern
                                                          because
                                                          AFRINIC is not
                                                          able to
                                                          initiate a
                                                          transfer for
                                                          space that is
                                                          under dispute.
                                                          However, this
                                                          is a legal
                                                          matter and is
                                                          already out of
                                                          the scope of
                                                          the policy.<br
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                                                             1.
                                                          AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02
                                                          - Resource
                                                          Transfer
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                                                                (JORDI
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                                                          Policy (JORDI
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                                                          Hi all,<br
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                                                          I will be
                                                          happy to
                                                          support this
                                                          proposal and
                                                          withdraw my
                                                          own one, but
                                                          *before* I?ve
                                                          some questions
                                                          about this
                                                          decision that
                                                          need to be
                                                          addressed
                                                          first (see
                                                          below,
                                                          in-line).<br
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                                                          10.   Resource
                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy<br
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                                                          This proposal
                                                          aims to
                                                          introduce
                                                          Inter RIR
                                                          transfer.
                                                          However, it
                                                          has the
                                                          following
                                                          opposition <br
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                                                          a.           
                                                                 Issues
                                                          with Legacy
                                                          holder
                                                          transfer is
                                                          potentially
                                                          considered
                                                          none-reciprocal
                                                          by ARIN<br
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                                                          b.           
                                                               
                                                          Potential
                                                          abuse of
                                                          AFRINIC free
                                                          pool without
                                                          the time limit
                                                          of receiving
                                                          an allocation
                                                          from AFRINIC.<br
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                                                          Chairs
                                                          Decision: The
                                                          proposal is
                                                          the least
                                                          contested of
                                                          all the 3
                                                          competing
                                                          proposals.
                                                          However
                                                          because of the
                                                          community?s
                                                          desire and
                                                          clear
                                                          expression for
                                                          the  need for
                                                          an Inter RIR
                                                          transfer, we,
                                                          the Co-chairs,
                                                          believe that
                                                          in the
                                                          interest of
                                                          the community
                                                          we should
                                                          focus on a
                                                          proposal
                                                          rather than
                                                          several
                                                          similar ones.
                                                          This desire
                                                          was clearly
                                                          expressed at
                                                          the AFRINIC 31
                                                          meeting in
                                                          Angola.
                                                          Therefore, We
                                                          suggest that
                                                          the authors of
                                                          this proposal
                                                          make the
                                                          following
                                                          amendments: <br
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                                                          ?       
                                                           5.7.3.2 
                                                          Source
                                                          entities are
                                                          not eligible
                                                          to receive
                                                          further IPv4
                                                          allocations or
                                                          assignments
                                                          from AFRINIC
                                                          for 12 months
                                                          period after
                                                          the transfer.<br
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                                                          [Jordi] This
                                                          is perfect,
                                                          and in fact is
                                                          what I?ve.
                                                          Just different
                                                          timing to
                                                          match phase 2
                                                          window x 2,
                                                          but not a big
                                                          issue.
                                                          However, we
                                                          are missing
                                                          something that
                                                          was also
                                                          objected by
                                                          the community
                                                          and I think is
                                                          key to avoid
                                                          abuse. Actual
                                                          text in the
                                                          CPM ?5.7.3.3
                                                          Source
                                                          entities must
                                                          not have
                                                          received a
                                                          transfer,
                                                          allocation, or
                                                          assignment of
                                                          IPv4 number
                                                          resources from
                                                          AFRINIC for
                                                          the 12 months
                                                          prior to the
                                                          approval of
                                                          transfer
                                                          request. This
                                                          restriction
                                                          excludes
                                                          mergers and
                                                          acquisitions
                                                          transfers.?.
                                                          This is no
                                                          longer
                                                          considered by
                                                          this proposal,
                                                          and in my
                                                          opinion it is
                                                          a MUST.
                                                          Doesn?t make
                                                          any sense that
                                                          someone is
                                                          getting
                                                          resources from
                                                          AFRINIC and
                                                          being able to
                                                          transfer them
                                                          immediately!
                                                          Can please the
                                                          chairs also
                                                          address this
                                                          point.<br
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                                                          [Jordi] Can
                                                          the staff
                                                          explain the
                                                          consequences
                                                          from their
                                                          perspective if
                                                          we don?t have
                                                          such text or
                                                          something
                                                          similar? Is
                                                          even possible
                                                          that the board
                                                          will not
                                                          ratify the
                                                          policy because
                                                          that, and we
                                                          are wasting a
                                                          previous time?<br
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                                                          ?       
                                                           5.7.4.3.
                                                          Transferred
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources will
                                                          still be
                                                          regarded as
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources.<br
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                                                          [Jordi] This
                                                          is also a
                                                          major issue.
                                                          I?m not sure
                                                          if the chairs
                                                          have
                                                          understood
                                                          what was the
                                                          point about
                                                          lack of
                                                          reciprocity.
                                                          We can?t
                                                          enforce ARIN
                                                          to accept that
                                                          outgoing (to
                                                          ARIN from
                                                          AFRINIC)
                                                          resources will
                                                          no longer be
                                                          legacy.
                                                          However the
                                                          actual CPM
                                                          states
                                                          ?5.7.4.3
                                                          Transferred
                                                          IPv4 legacy
                                                          resources will
                                                          no longer be
                                                          regarded as
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources.?.
                                                          We must keep
                                                          that, because
                                                          we should
                                                          avoid legacy
                                                          resources to
                                                          keep being
                                                          legacy as much
                                                          as possible,
                                                          because they
                                                          are NOT BIND
                                                          to the CPM. If
                                                          we accept the
                                                          chairs
                                                          proposal, we
                                                          are going
                                                          *backwards*
                                                          not forward
                                                          and we may be
                                                          creating a
                                                          discrimination
                                                          with already
                                                          done transfers
                                                          within AFRINIC
                                                          (Intra-RIR,
                                                          according to
                                                          the current
                                                          policy). The
                                                          right text
                                                          here must be
                                                          ?Transferred
                                                          incoming or
                                                          within AFRINIC
                                                          IPv4 legacy
                                                          resources will
                                                          no longer be
                                                          regarded as
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources?.<br
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                                                          [Jordi]
                                                          Finally, there
                                                          were several
                                                          severe
                                                          comments from
                                                          the staff that
                                                          need to be
                                                          addressed. For
                                                          example,
                                                          resources
                                                          under dispute.
                                                          That?s a big
                                                          issue! There
                                                          are a few
                                                          others. I
                                                          think here we
                                                          need to see if
                                                          the staff got
                                                          everything
                                                          clear from the
                                                          authors inputs
                                                          and if the
                                                          policy can be
                                                          implemented or
                                                          there will be
                                                          open questions
                                                          that will not
                                                          allow to be a
                                                          functional
                                                          policy and
                                                          again, even
                                                          disallow the
                                                          board to
                                                          ratify it.<br
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                                                          Decision:
                                                          Provided that
                                                          the above are
                                                          amended, the
                                                          decisions is
                                                          Rough
                                                          Consensus is
                                                          achieved     
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                                                          From: JORDI
                                                          PALET MARTINEZ
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                                                          [rpd] Abuse
                                                          Contact Policy<br
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                                                          8.3 and 8.4
                                                          are making
                                                          sure that you
                                                          respond to an
                                                          abuse case,
                                                          *not* that you
                                                          *recognize* it
                                                          as an abuse.
                                                          It is your
                                                          choice to tell
                                                          the ?victim
                                                          ISP?, look for
                                                          me this is not
                                                          an abuse, so I
                                                          will not do
                                                          anything about
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                                                          AFRINIC can?t
                                                          verify this
                                                          automatically,
                                                          because it
                                                          doesn?t make
                                                          sense that
                                                          AFRINIC is
                                                          ?sending? fake
                                                          abuse reports
                                                          to see if they
                                                          get a
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                                                          AFRINIC can
                                                          only send an
                                                          email for the
                                                          validation of
                                                          the mailbox.
                                                          It is an
                                                          existing
                                                          mailbox? I?m
                                                          getting a
                                                          response (for
                                                          example, have
                                                          they, once I
                                                          send the
                                                          validation
                                                          email, clicked
                                                          the link or
                                                          went into
                                                          MyAfrinic to
                                                          input the
                                                          validation
                                                          code?).<br
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                                                          states the
                                                          timing for the
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                                                          validation
                                                          itself, so I
                                                          guess,
                                                          according to
                                                          your response,
                                                          that you?re ok
                                                          with this
                                                          specific
                                                          point. If we
                                                          don?t have it,
                                                          AFRINIC can?t
                                                          do a periodic
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                                                          8.6. is making
                                                          sure that you
                                                          don?t try to
                                                          fake the
                                                          validation.
                                                          For instance,
                                                          you could
                                                          respond only
                                                          to AFRINIC
                                                          validations
                                                          and then
                                                          discard all
                                                          the other
                                                          emails. If we
                                                          don?t have
                                                          that, the
                                                          policy may
                                                          become
                                                          useless. Note
                                                          also that in
                                                          fact, if you
                                                          follow the
                                                          RSA, *anyone*
                                                          could escalate
                                                          *any* lack of
                                                          CPM
                                                          compliance. So
                                                          this is making
                                                          sure that the
                                                          policy text is
                                                          honest and
                                                          transparent.<br
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                                                          prefer to be
                                                          filtered
                                                          because you
                                                          don?t respond?<br
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                                                          Clearly this
                                                          proposal is
                                                          not asking
                                                          AFRINIC to be
                                                          a police. Is
                                                          only making
                                                          sure that the
                                                          parties *can
                                                          talk*. Again:
                                                          AFRINIC will
                                                          not be
                                                          involved in
                                                          ?how you
                                                          handle the
                                                          case?, but I
                                                          least you
                                                          should be able
                                                          to be
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                                                          customers are
                                                          sending me
                                                          spam, or
                                                          trying to
                                                          intrude my
                                                          network, and
                                                          they have
                                                          abuse
                                                          contacts, I
                                                          will be able
                                                          to complain to
                                                          them. Then we
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                                                          1.   Moses
                                                          responds to me
                                                          and say
                                                          ?you?re right,
                                                          this is
                                                          against our
                                                          AUP? (is
                                                          irrelevant
                                                          what the law
                                                          in Moses
                                                          country say,
                                                          it is the
                                                          contract with
                                                          customers what
                                                          says what is
                                                          allowed or
                                                          not). Let?s
                                                          fix it. I will
                                                          warn the
                                                          customer, and
                                                          if they don?t
                                                          stop, we will
                                                          filter their
                                                          email port, or
                                                          even cancel
                                                          the contract
                                                          (just
                                                          examples, only
                                                          Moses can
                                                          decide what
                                                          they do).<br
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                                                          instead
                                                          doesn?t care,
                                                          or the mailbox
                                                          is full or
                                                          bouncing
                                                          emails or
                                                          respond ?sorry
                                                          in our network
                                                          we allow
                                                          that?. Then I
                                                          can take my
                                                          own decision,
                                                          filter only
                                                          that IP
                                                          address, or
                                                          the complete
                                                          AK network. I
                                                          can even see
                                                          if this is
                                                          allowed in his
                                                          country and
                                                          take legal
                                                          actions (which
                                                          usually you
                                                          don?t do
                                                          because is
                                                          costly and
                                                          more of the
                                                          regulations
                                                          don?t know
                                                          ?anything?
                                                          about abuse or
                                                          even
                                                          Internet!).<br
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                                                          not take any
                                                          measure if AK
                                                          decides that
                                                          is not an
                                                          abuse. It is
                                                          our problem
                                                          not AFRINIC
                                                          problem.
                                                          However, if
                                                          the email is
                                                          bouncing,
                                                          AFRINIC will
                                                          revalidate the
                                                          abuse-c and
                                                          make sure that
                                                          it works.<br
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                                                          phone book.
                                                          You have there
                                                          the phones and
                                                          they must be
                                                          correct, or
                                                          you need to
                                                          update them
                                                          every ?n?
                                                          months. The
                                                          phone book
                                                          doesn?t tell
                                                          the purpose of
                                                          each phone. If
                                                          you don?t want
                                                          to accept
                                                          calls related
                                                          to ?ordering
                                                          pizzas?, you
                                                          tell the
                                                          caller ?this
                                                          number is not
                                                          for that?, but
                                                          at least you
                                                          must pick up
                                                          the phone
                                                          otherwise, you
                                                          don?t know if
                                                          it is somebody
                                                          calling by
                                                          error or
                                                          someone that
                                                          you really
                                                          want to talk.
                                                          And this is
                                                          true for
                                                          *every* whois
                                                          contact.<br
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                                                          know how do
                                                          you handle it
                                                          in the
                                                          networks that
                                                          you operate?<br
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                                                          El 21/9/20
                                                          10:00, "Lamiaa
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                                                          I think you
                                                          are very
                                                          confused. I
                                                          never said I
                                                          have a problem
                                                          with people
                                                          completing
                                                          their
                                                          registration.
                                                          Keep
                                                          registration---having
                                                          an abuse
                                                          contact Email
                                                          in the whois,
                                                          just like tech
                                                          contact or
                                                          admin
                                                          contact--I am
                                                          perfectly fine
                                                          with it, and I
                                                          think the
                                                          current policy
                                                          achieves 99%
                                                          it, if you
                                                          want to add
                                                          this contact
                                                          as mandatory
                                                          field I am
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                                                          problem of
                                                          this policy in
                                                          8.3-8.6, is
                                                          that it
                                                          requires
                                                          AFRINIC to
                                                          monitor the
                                                          members HOW to
                                                          manage their
                                                          abuse mailbox
                                                          down to the
                                                          subject line, 
                                                          and that is
                                                          out of the
                                                          scope of
                                                          AFRINIC, just
                                                          read my last
                                                          email with
                                                          logic in mind
                                                          and you will
                                                          understand. I
                                                          suggest this
                                                          policy should
                                                          be very
                                                          simple, 
                                                          adding one
                                                          line to the
                                                          current
                                                          policy-- abuse
                                                          contact is
                                                          mandatory, and
                                                          it's done,
                                                          everything
                                                          else should be
                                                          deleted.<br
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                                                          And again, you
                                                          are trying to
                                                          use AFRINIC
                                                          for something
                                                          that is not in
                                                          its scope, how
                                                          someone
                                                          manages their
                                                          mailbox is not
                                                          in the scope
                                                          of AFRINIC, it
                                                          is like you go
                                                          to your local
                                                          church to ask
                                                          them to arrest
                                                          your neighbour
                                                          who plays loud
                                                          music at night
                                                          when you
                                                          should go to
                                                          police
                                                          instead. Same
                                                          thing for
                                                          someone
                                                          running an
                                                          abusive
                                                          network, as
                                                          many already
                                                          stated, it is
                                                          up to a local
                                                          Jury to decide
                                                          if it is
                                                          simply at an
                                                          annoying level
                                                          or a criminal
                                                          offense, but
                                                          either way
                                                          please do go
                                                          to your local
                                                          police to
                                                          report it.<br
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                                                          internet, we
                                                          never tell you
                                                          how to
                                                          behave--you
                                                          are entirely
                                                          at your rights
                                                          in the
                                                          internet to
                                                          behave
                                                          abusively, but
                                                          it is also
                                                          entirely in
                                                          everyone's
                                                          rights to
                                                          block you,
                                                          that's how
                                                          de-centralizing
                                                          works, no
                                                          central
                                                          governing,
                                                          everyone plays
                                                          nice because
                                                          that's the
                                                          only way for
                                                          everyone else
                                                          to play with
                                                          you, and this
                                                          policy here
                                                          asks AFRINIC
                                                          to act like a
                                                          central
                                                          government
                                                          even down to
                                                          manage
                                                          people's
                                                          mailbox's
                                                          subject line
                                                          and that is
                                                          way beyond
                                                          what internet
                                                          meant to be.<br
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                                                          sept. 2020 ?
                                                          23:42,
                                                          Fernando
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                                                          reply only to
                                                          a specific
                                                          subject line
                                                          of my abuse
                                                          box, it is
                                                          entirely in my
                                                          right to do.
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                                                          don't want to
                                                          reply at the
                                                          abuse mailbox
                                                          at all, that
                                                          is my right to
                                                          do so and if I
                                                          think no
                                                          action in my
                                                          network would
                                                          be considered
                                                          abuse
                                                          (although
                                                          unlikely), but
                                                          it is still
                                                          from  the
                                                          internet
                                                          community
                                                          point of view,
                                                          entirely in my
                                                          right to do
                                                          so. You might
                                                          choose to
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                                                          INTER-NET is
                                                          because of its
                                                          decentralized
                                                          nature, you
                                                          have to play
                                                          nice for
                                                          others to play
                                                          with you, but
                                                          this community
                                                          never forces
                                                          anyone to play
                                                          nice, it is
                                                          not in the
                                                          scope of
                                                          AFRINIC to
                                                          decide how
                                                          members reply
                                                          to their abuse
                                                          mailbox, so if
                                                          8.3,8.4, 8.5
                                                          and 8.6 are
                                                          deleted in its
                                                          entirety, I
                                                          might consider
                                                          supporting it.
                                                          Also Jordi, I
                                                          feel you
                                                          always have
                                                          this central
                                                          management
                                                          type of
                                                          thinking, and
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                                                          an
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                                                          registration
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                                                          09:23,<br
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                                                          JORDI PALET
                                                          MARTINEZ via
                                                          RPD <<a
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                                                          I don?t agree.
                                                          Internet
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                                                          jurisdiction;
                                                          abuse is about
                                                          what I (the
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                                                          consider
                                                          abuse. The RFC
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                                                          ?Inappropriate
                                                          public
                                                          behaviour? (is
                                                          a<br class="">
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                                                          mailbox so to
                                                          be able to
                                                          contact in
                                                          case there is
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                                                          inappropriate
                                                          behaviour in
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                                                          you want a
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                                                          *anything*
                                                          that I don?t
                                                          want to accept
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                                                          because is in
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                                                          If I don?t
                                                          want to accept
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                                                          spam,<br
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                                                          or phising,
                                                          DMCA, or
                                                          whatever, this
                                                          is abuse *for<br
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                                                          me*. I?ve the
                                                          right to tell
                                                          you because
                                                          that<br
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                                                          abuse is
                                                          coming from
                                                          your network.
                                                          If you believe
                                                          that<br
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                                                          (and here is
                                                          your
                                                          jurisdiction
                                                          in some<br
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                                                          cases, in
                                                          other just
                                                          doesn?t exist,
                                                          but it may be
                                                          also<br
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                                                          your
                                                          ?business?
                                                          decision ?
                                                          like operators
                                                          that don?t<br
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                                                          care if their
                                                          customers do
                                                          spam or
                                                          intrusion<br
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                                                          attempts),
                                                          you?ve the
                                                          right to tell
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                                                          this is<br
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                                                          not abuse for
                                                          us?, and then
                                                          I?ve the right
                                                          to decide<br
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                                                          if I should
                                                          filter your
                                                          network based
                                                          on your<br
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                                                          I?m not able
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                                                          you, so we
                                                          can?t talk, we<br
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                                                          can?t
                                                          investigate or
                                                          agree if it is
                                                          an abuse or
                                                          not,<br
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                                                          so you (the
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                                                          operator)
                                                          don?t have the
                                                          chance<br
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                                                          about it! Is
                                                          bad for you,
                                                          is bad for me.
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                                                          my best choice
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                                                          ?pairs? of
                                                          country
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                                                          on any<br
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                                                          change. The
                                                          policy is not
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                                                          valid
                                                          responsible
                                                          contact, not
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                                                          which is among
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                                                          than the rest
                                                          of the world,
                                                          because none
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                                                          abuse in their
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                                                          having
                                                          appeared in
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                                                          proposal to
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                                                          abuse
                                                          contact?, that
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                                                          anyone needs
                                                          to report what
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                                                          is not doing
                                                          an abuse
                                                          because in his<br
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                                                          country is not
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                                                          18/9/20 9:59,
                                                          "Lamiaa
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                                                          RFC2142<br
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                                                          via<br
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                                                          reason why
                                                          NONE<br
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                                                          because it<br
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                                                          Lucilla on
                                                          what<br
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                                                          define what is<br
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                                                          criminal<br
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                                                          be entirely a
                                                          legal<br
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                                                          operation in a
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                                                          making<br
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                                                          reply to abuse<br
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                                                          contact Emails
                                                          are a waste of
                                                          resources<br
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                                                          and totally
                                                          pointless, it
                                                          is entirely up<br
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                                                          to the member
                                                          to define what
                                                          they think<br
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                                                          in their
                                                          network
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                                                          and how they
                                                          react to it.
                                                          AFRINIC has no<br
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                                                          mandate to
                                                          force any
                                                          member to
                                                          reply to<br
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                                                          an ?abuse?,
                                                          since AFRINIC
                                                          doesn?t even<br
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                                                          RIR operation.<br
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                                                          Le jeu. 17<br
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                                                          07:42, JORDI
                                                          PALET MARTINEZ<br
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                                                          via RPD <<a
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                                                          a ?crit :<br
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                                                          Hi Lucilla,<br
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                                                          mnt-IRT, and
                                                          everybody who
                                                          operate<br
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                                                          networks
                                                          understand
                                                          what it is an<br
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                                                          abuse. If you
                                                          operate
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                                                          know that
                                                          *anything*
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                                                          If you send
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                                                          reply to abuse
                                                          contact<br
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                                                          resources and<br
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                                                          pointless, it
                                                          is entirely up
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                                                          the member to
                                                          define what
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                                                          how they react
                                                          to it. AFRINIC
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                                                          mandate to
                                                          force any
                                                          member to
                                                          reply to an<br
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                                                          ?abuse?, since
                                                          AFRINIC
                                                          doesn?t even
                                                          have<br
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                                                          the ability to
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                                                          an abuse
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                                                          RPD mailing
                                                          list<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
------------------------------<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          End of RPD
                                                          Digest, Vol
                                                          168, Issue 143<br
                                                          class="">
*************************************</p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"><br class="">
**********************************************<br class="">
                                                          IPv4 is over<br
                                                          class="">
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                                                          for the new
                                                          Internet ?<br
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                                                          href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          The IPv6
                                                          Company<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          This
                                                          electronic
                                                          message
                                                          contains
                                                          information
                                                          which may be
                                                          privileged or
                                                          confidential.
                                                          The
                                                          information is
                                                          intended to be
                                                          for the
                                                          exclusive use
                                                          of the
                                                          individual(s)
                                                          named above
                                                          and further
                                                          non-explicilty
                                                          authorized
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          copying,
                                                          distribution
                                                          or use of the
                                                          contents of
                                                          this
                                                          information,
                                                          even if
                                                          partially,
                                                          including
                                                          attached
                                                          files, is
                                                          strictly
                                                          prohibited and
                                                          will be
                                                          considered a
                                                          criminal
                                                          offense. If
                                                          you are not
                                                          the intended
                                                          recipient be
                                                          aware that any
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          copying,
                                                          distribution
                                                          or use of the
                                                          contents of
                                                          this
                                                          information,
                                                          even if
                                                          partially,
                                                          including
                                                          attached
                                                          files, is
                                                          strictly
                                                          prohibited,
                                                          will be
                                                          considered a
                                                          criminal
                                                          offense, so
                                                          you must reply
                                                          to the
                                                          original
                                                          sender to
                                                          inform about
                                                          this
                                                          communication
                                                          and delete it.</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:177pt"> </p>
                                                          <pre style="margin-left:177pt" class="">_______________________________________________</pre>
                                                          <pre style="margin-left:177pt" class="">RPD mailing list</pre>
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                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:177pt">_______________________________________________
                                                          RPD mailing
                                                          list <a
                                                          href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"
                                                          class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:141.6pt"><br class="">
**********************************************<br class="">
                                                          IPv4 is over<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Are you ready
                                                          for the new
                                                          Internet ?<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          The IPv6
                                                          Company<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          This
                                                          electronic
                                                          message
                                                          contains
                                                          information
                                                          which may be
                                                          privileged or
                                                          confidential.
                                                          The
                                                          information is
                                                          intended to be
                                                          for the
                                                          exclusive use
                                                          of the
                                                          individual(s)
                                                          named above
                                                          and further
                                                          non-explicilty
                                                          authorized
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          copying,
                                                          distribution
                                                          or use of the
                                                          contents of
                                                          this
                                                          information,
                                                          even if
                                                          partially,
                                                          including
                                                          attached
                                                          files, is
                                                          strictly
                                                          prohibited and
                                                          will be
                                                          considered a
                                                          criminal
                                                          offense. If
                                                          you are not
                                                          the intended
                                                          recipient be
                                                          aware that any
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          copying,
                                                          distribution
                                                          or use of the
                                                          contents of
                                                          this
                                                          information,
                                                          even if
                                                          partially,
                                                          including
                                                          attached
                                                          files, is
                                                          strictly
                                                          prohibited,
                                                          will be
                                                          considered a
                                                          criminal
                                                          offense, so
                                                          you must reply
                                                          to the
                                                          original
                                                          sender to
                                                          inform about
                                                          this
                                                          communication
                                                          and delete it.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
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target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a
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                                                          class=""
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                                                          </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><br class="">
**********************************************<br class="">
                                                          IPv4 is over<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Are you ready
                                                          for the new
                                                          Internet ?<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          The IPv6
                                                          Company<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          This
                                                          electronic
                                                          message
                                                          contains
                                                          information
                                                          which may be
                                                          privileged or
                                                          confidential.
                                                          The
                                                          information is
                                                          intended to be
                                                          for the
                                                          exclusive use
                                                          of the
                                                          individual(s)
                                                          named above
                                                          and further
                                                          non-explicilty
                                                          authorized
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          copying,
                                                          distribution
                                                          or use of the
                                                          contents of
                                                          this
                                                          information,
                                                          even if
                                                          partially,
                                                          including
                                                          attached
                                                          files, is
                                                          strictly
                                                          prohibited and
                                                          will be
                                                          considered a
                                                          criminal
                                                          offense. If
                                                          you are not
                                                          the intended
                                                          recipient be
                                                          aware that any
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          copying,
                                                          distribution
                                                          or use of the
                                                          contents of
                                                          this
                                                          information,
                                                          even if
                                                          partially,
                                                          including
                                                          attached
                                                          files, is
                                                          strictly
                                                          prohibited,
                                                          will be
                                                          considered a
                                                          criminal
                                                          offense, so
                                                          you must reply
                                                          to the
                                                          original
                                                          sender to
                                                          inform about
                                                          this
                                                          communication
                                                          and delete it.</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">_______________________________________________<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          RPD mailing
                                                          list<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                                          class="">
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                                                          href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">_______________________________________________<br
                                                        class="">
                                                      RPD mailing list<br
                                                        class="">
                                                      <a
                                                        href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                                        target="_blank"
                                                        class=""
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                                        class="">
                                                      <a
                                                        href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                                        target="_blank"
                                                        class=""
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><br
                                                  class="">
**********************************************<br class="">
                                                IPv4 is over<br class="">
                                                Are you ready for the
                                                new Internet ?<br
                                                  class="">
                                                <a
                                                  href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  class=""
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br
                                                  class="">
                                                The IPv6 Company<br
                                                  class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                This electronic message
                                                contains information
                                                which may be privileged
                                                or confidential. The
                                                information is intended
                                                to be for the exclusive
                                                use of the individual(s)
                                                named above and further
                                                non-explicilty
                                                authorized disclosure,
                                                copying, distribution or
                                                use of the contents of
                                                this information, even
                                                if partially, including
                                                attached files, is
                                                strictly prohibited and
                                                will be considered a
                                                criminal offense. If you
                                                are not the intended
                                                recipient be aware that
                                                any disclosure, copying,
                                                distribution or use of
                                                the contents of this
                                                information, even if
                                                partially, including
                                                attached files, is
                                                strictly prohibited,
                                                will be considered a
                                                criminal offense, so you
                                                must reply to the
                                                original sender to
                                                inform about this
                                                communication and delete
                                                it.</p>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br
                                          class="">
**********************************************<br class="">
                                        IPv4 is over<br class="">
                                        Are you ready for the new
                                        Internet ?<br class="">
                                        <a
                                          href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
                                          target="_blank" class=""
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br
                                          class="">
                                        The IPv6 Company<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        This electronic message contains
                                        information which may be
                                        privileged or confidential. The
                                        information is intended to be
                                        for the exclusive use of the
                                        individual(s) named above and
                                        further non-explicilty
                                        authorized disclosure, copying,
                                        distribution or use of the
                                        contents of this information,
                                        even if partially, including
                                        attached files, is strictly
                                        prohibited and will be
                                        considered a criminal offense.
                                        If you are not the intended
                                        recipient be aware that any
                                        disclosure, copying,
                                        distribution or use of the
                                        contents of this information,
                                        even if partially, including
                                        attached files, is strictly
                                        prohibited, will be considered a
                                        criminal offense, so you must
                                        reply to the original sender to
                                        inform about this communication
                                        and delete it.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________<br
                                        class="">
                                      RPD mailing list<br class="">
                                      <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank" class=""
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                        class="">
                                      <a
                                        href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                        target="_blank" class=""
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________<br
                                    class="">
                                  RPD mailing list<br class="">
                                  <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                    target="_blank" class=""
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                    class="">
                                  <a
                                    href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                    target="_blank" class=""
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></p>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <br class="">
                          **********************************************<br
                            class="">
                          IPv4 is over<br class="">
                          Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br
                            class="">
                          <a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
                            target="_blank" class=""
                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br
                            class="">
                          The IPv6 Company<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          This electronic message contains information
                          which may be privileged or confidential. The
                          information is intended to be for the
                          exclusive use of the individual(s) named above
                          and further non-explicilty authorized
                          disclosure, copying, distribution or use of
                          the contents of this information, even if
                          partially, including attached files, is
                          strictly prohibited and will be considered a
                          criminal offense. If you are not the intended
                          recipient be aware that any disclosure,
                          copying, distribution or use of the contents
                          of this information, even if partially,
                          including attached files, is strictly
                          prohibited, will be considered a criminal
                          offense, so you must reply to the original
                          sender to inform about this communication and
                          delete it.<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <span class="">_______________________________________________</span><br
                            class="">
                          <span class="">RPD mailing list</span><br
                            class="">
                          <span class=""><a
                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                              target="_blank" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a></span><br
                            class="">
                          <span class=""><a
                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                              target="_blank" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></span><br
                            class="">
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  _______________________________________________<br
                    class="">
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                  <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                    class="">
                  <a
                    href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                    class="">
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              _______________________________________________<br
                class="">
              RPD mailing list<br class="">
              <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class="">
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br class="">
            </div>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br class="">
      </div>
      <br>
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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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