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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi AK, Moses,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We really need to get a response con this. Could you provide it, please?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 21/9/20 10:20, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(subject changed to match the list discussion)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi AK, Moses, all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve a terribly busy day, so I will respond later on each proposal (and other pending emails), but here going for the first one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I will like to have your responses to the questions below, and also one of them from the staff. This is needed not only to understand your inputs, but also to make sure that a new possible version of the proposal is really catching everything correctly.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>When you say “ there is strong opposition”, do you mean that you’re accepting those points as valid objections? I understand that your response here is valid for all the proposals, please confirm if otherwise. If your points for each proposal are not all them “valid-objections”, the authors need to understand what are you taking as valid objection and what not, so we can proceed. Note that in “rough consensus” we can’t talk about “strong opossition”, but instead you should judge what is a valid-objection and what not (this is what you call “irrelevant objections”, but is not clear if when the authors or the community refute an objection, you’re taking it as valid or irrelevant and it is a *<b>key</b>* question).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“Oppose the policy because of the way the consensus is reached. This proposal proposes that the consensus be reached through a balance of the mailing list/forum and not at the PPM. This endangers fair consensus and hijacks the policymaking process. Based on experience, it is during the PPM that most community members focus on policies.”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Actually, the chairs (at least previous chairs), always indicated that they *<b>take the inputs from the list as part of the consensus</b>*. I recall that you also stated that in Luanda or even in the list. I will need to find that if you don’t recall it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>By the way, I just found this in the Luanda video:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KebcFzUU0&t=8m">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KebcFzUU0&t=8m</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Anyway, can you confirm if you take the inputs in the list as part of the consensus-decision?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Could also previous co-chairs confirm that?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Issues around how the chairs should drop proposals</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The actual CPM states “</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>A draft policy can be withdrawn by the author(s) by sending a notification to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list.” while the proposal is using the *<b>SAME</b>* but with a shorter wording “A DPP can be withdrawn by the author(s) by sending a notification to the RPD List”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Based on that, if the proposal is not changing what we are doing already, how this can be a valid-objection, what is your suggestion or what was the community suggestion?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Trust in the mailing list: Some strongly believe that anonymous contribution should be allowed while some believes it should not</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is the actual way we use. As we don’t count objections, but only valid vs non-valid, anonymous participation is irrelevant. If an anonymous participant say something against a proposal and it is true, and it is not addressed by the authors or the community, never mind it is anonymous *<b>it is a valid objection</b>*.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So how it can be a valid-objection? The ICP-2 and the bylaws talk about an open participantion. Based on that, what alternative we have?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Please see your own words in Luanda:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KebcFzUU0&t=13m50s</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Issues around having more than 1 PPM per year and Online PPM because of volunteer burnout. We are all volunteers and it’s a night job for us. More PPMs mean more time to volunteer and more chances for burnouts”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In the open mic you stated that the problem was contradiction with bylaws</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EJploR38c&t=3h33m44s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EJploR38c&t=3h33m44s</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The impact analysis mention that. I will like to double check with Madhvi/staff if they still believe that observation from them is correct, because:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:89.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The bylaws 11.2 state “at least once a year” but we have already done for many years 2 PPMs per year.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:89.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This staff observation is in the section “AFRINIC staff clarification request”, which is only “clarification” not something that the staff is warning the community as *<b>take care this is a problematic thing</b>*.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:89.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Unfortunatelly the “Summary” also say that “</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>will be in contradiction of the bylaws in terms of the number of PPMs held by AFRINIC per year</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>”. So, can please the staff clarify this? What is their understanding of “at least”? Are we contradicting the bylaws, because the PDP already talks about “</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings”.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And of course, if we have more PPMs, is not true that this is a problem for volunteers. They idea is that instead of spending 2 days in 10 proposals, you will focuss and have less proposals in half of the time, for example one specific PPM for Inter-RIR, so you are using the same time but split in different meetings. Note also that the proposal is not “mandating” any number of meetings, just saying that *<b>if neccesary</b>* they can be done. It is just making explicit and being tranparent about something that is *<b>actually the case</b>* the board can call already for 1, 2, 3, 4 or 10 PPMs as they believe is best for the community. So clearly not a valid objection.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Moreover, as the proposal explicitly allows to take decisions in the list when the proposal has been already been presented and thru a new version there are no further objections, then it is actually *<b>saving</b>* time to all the community.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In the open mic, you explained that: “it is a major objection”. How come?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Some members of the Community thinks only burning or polarizing issues should be brought to the PPM</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This will be againt consensus-based bottom-up process as defined by ICP-2 and bylaws. If someone propose a bad idea, it is up to the community to not-reach consesus based on valid objections (justified objections), not “I don’t like it”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Again this is what we have today, so if the proposal is not changing that, it can’t be a valid-objection.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 21/9/20 2:15, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Dear PDWG Members,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> Please find below a summary for each of the proposal discussed during the just concluded online policy meeting of AFRINIC 32 </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>1.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Simple PDP Update </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>This policy defines consensus. It also proposes that a policy discussed at the PPM does not need to come back for another PPM for the Co-chairs to arrive at a decision. This can help in streamlining the work during the PPM and encourages people to use the mailing list. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>There were lots of irrelevant objections on the mailing list such as someone registering many emails. We believe that this does not matter because rough consensus is not about numbers but quality objections.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>However, there is strong opposition to this policy based on the following: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Oppose the policy because of the way the consensus is reached. This proposal proposes that the consensus be reached through a balance of the mailing list/forum and not at the PPM. This endangers fair consensus and hijacks the policymaking process. Based on experience, it is during the PPM that most community members focus on policies. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Issues around how the chairs should drop proposals.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Trust in the mailing list: Some strongly believe that anonymous contribution should be allowed while some believes it should not.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Issues around having more than 1 PPM per year and Online PPM because of volunteer burnout. We are all volunteers and it’s a night job for us. More PPMs mean more time to volunteer and more chances for burnouts </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>e.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Some members of the Community thinks only burning or polarizing issues should be brought to the PPM.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No Consensus</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>2.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>PDP Working Group </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>This proposal aims at allowing most of the decisions including chair elections to be determined via consensus. This can be reasonable when the community has the same goal. However, there were a number of objections to it. These are:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Entrusting the WG to make their decisions by consensus and the appointment of their co-chairs by consensus do not make sense and is only utopic.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>People are not policy proposals, and thus choosing by consensus is splitting hairs with the election process we already have. Save the consensus for the proposals, and the election for people.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Consensus may even take months, and this can’t fly when we want to put people in the vacant roles.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Co-chairs should not have a hand in the consensus, but only sit back and let the community decide for themselves. Additionally, the consensus process is not feasible with a deadline.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>e.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Focus on polishing the current electoral process instead of complicating other untested forms of “election”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>f.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>The current status quo’s election should be the only option in choosing for the roles, and not through less transparent means.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>g.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Board would be interfering too much on issues that deal with PDP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No Consensus</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>3.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Election Process </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>This proposal aims at introducing an online voting system for the Co-Chairs election. The following are the opposition to this proposal. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>This policy reduces participation. Equal representation is violated because the board has unprecedented power. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>There is also not enough information on the logistics of the vote (e-voting).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>There is a contradiction <s>on </s>when the term ends during the meeting. “The term ends during the first PPM corresponding to the end of the term for which they were appointed” is not clear enough, and “A term may begin or end no sooner than the first day of the PPM and no later than the last day of the PPM as determined by mutual agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair” contradicts each other.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Gender restriction on 3.3.1.3 , some community members argue it is impractical and maybe even unfair if we force both chairs to have different genders.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>e.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Issues around which voter's register should be adopted </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No Consensus</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>4.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Board Prerogatives </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>This proposal aims at clarifying how the board and the PDWG works. However, there were a few oppositions to this proposal except for a specific section. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>It seems like a piecemeal approach to dealing with issues. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Opposition to the section below</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><i><span lang=EN-PH>“As an exception of the preceding paragraph, in the absence of elections processes for aspects related to the PDP (co-chairs, appeal committee), those aspects will be still handled by the board in consultation with the community. However, this is also a temporary measure and also specific draft policy proposals should be introduced for that</span></i><span lang=EN-PH>”. The authors agreed to remove the above section hence</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: Consensus provided the above section is removed </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>5.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Policy Compliance Dashboard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>The policy proposal seeks to provide a framework or a policy compliance dashboard be developed by AFRINIC and incorporated in myAFRINIC (and future member’s communication platforms). It will allow a periodic review of the policy compliance status of each member. It will also enable members to receive automated notifications for any issue. Staff will receive repeated warnings of lack of compliance or severe violations enshrined in the CPM. However, there are several oppositions to this proposal, such as:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>This policy seems to be redundant of the status quo as violations are already checked and processed by the human staff.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>There is already an existing system of guidelines on keeping track of the violations of members.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>The policy is not binding and does not enforce members actually to follow the rules and not violate policies. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Ignorance could be a convenient excuse for violations because one could claim that they never got notified about their violations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>e.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>There is no comprehensive system on how the board should take proper actions once members violate policies, nor does it give guidelines based on the severity of the violations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>f.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>This policy takes away resources that could be used for more beneficial pursuits to AFRINIC for something existing in the system.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>g.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>It an administrative process, and this should be left to staff</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: NO rough Consensus</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>6.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Abuse Contact Update </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>The proposal makes it mandatory for AFRINIC to include in each resource registration, a contact where network abuse from users of those resources will be reported. The proposal whois DB attribute (abuse-c) to be used to publish abuse public contact information. There’s also a process to ensure that the recipient must receive abuse report and that contacts are validated by AFRINIC regularly. However, there some opposition to the proposal there are:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Staff analysis on how it affects legacy holder not conclusive (not sure why this should affect legacy holders) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>The proposal doesn’t state what will be the consequences of one member fails to comply. Why are we creating the abuse contact when there is no consequence for not providing the abuse contact </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Abuse contact email and issues with GDPR concerning the whois database</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>No proper definition of the term Abuse</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>e.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>To force members to reply to their abuse email is not in the scope of AFRINIC.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No rough consensus </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>7.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>The proposal instructs AFRINIC to create ROAs for all unallocated and unassigned address space under its control. This will enable networks performing RPKI-based BGP Origin Validation to easily reject all the bogon announcements covering resources managed by AFRINIC. However, there are many oppositions such as: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Allowing resource holders to create AS0/ ROA will lead to an increase of even more invalid prefixes in the routing table.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Revocation time of AS0 state, and the time for new allocation doesn’t match. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Other RIRs don’t have a similar the policy therefore, it can not be effective</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>This will become a uniform policy if it is not globally implemented, which causes additional stress. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>e.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Validity period: if members decide to implement it, is it not better to recover the space if it is kept unused for too long?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>f.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>How do we revoke the ROA? How long does it take to revoke it (chain/ refreshing )?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>g.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>What happens if AFRINIC accidentally issues a ROA for an address in error?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>h.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>It also might affect the neighbours and involves monitoring of unallocated spaces.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>i.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Possibility of it being used against a member who is yet to pay dues.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Suggestions were made to improve the policy such as </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:205.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a)</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>The automatic creation of AS0 ROAs should be limited to space that has never been allocated by an RIR or part of a legacy allocation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:205.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b)</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>AFRINIC should require the explicit consent of the previous holder to issue AS0 ROAs in respect of re-claimed, returned, etc, space.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:205.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c)</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Any ROAs issued under this policy should be issued and published in a way that makes it operationally easy for a relying party to ignore them (probably by issuing under a separate TA).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:205.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d)</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>The proposal should include the clause “as used in APNIC as to dues not paid on time.”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No consensus</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>8.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>The proposal puts in place a mechanism to transfer IPv4 and (some ASN) resources between AFRINIC and other RIRs and between AFRINIC members/entities. Some conditions are attached to the source and recipient based on need and disclosure made. The inter-RIR transfers will be suspended if the number of outgoing IPv4 addresses exceeds the incoming ones for six consecutive months. However, there are oppositions to it</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>ASN Transfer is not necessary</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Issue of board inferring: no board in all of the five RIRs have ever been involved in deciding a transfer or allocating IP address. It is not the board's responsibility.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Suspending clause with no reinstalling clause. This mainly makes the policy potentially invalid. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>9.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>AFRINIC Number Resource Transfer</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Not realistic for one-way inter RIR resource transfer as it has to be reciprocal. One way would never happen as only global resources can come in and go out </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>It would be difficult for the recipient to follow the rules of AFRINIC if they are not in the African region.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>c.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>No need for ASN transfer. If one is moving regions and doesn't have an ASN in the new region, it can request and receive from the local RIRs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>d.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Additional attributes create none-operational complexity in the whois database.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: No consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>10.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Resource Transfer Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>This proposal aims to introduce Inter RIR transfer. However, it has the following opposition </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Issues with Legacy holder transfer is potentially considered none-reciprocal by ARIN</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:160.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b.</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>Potential abuse of AFRINIC free pool without the time limit of receiving an allocation from AFRINIC.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: The proposal is the least contested of all the 3 competing proposals. However because of the community’s desire and clear expression for the need for an Inter RIR transfer, we, the Co-chairs, believe that in the interest of the community we should focus on a proposal rather than several similar ones. This desire was clearly expressed at the AFRINIC 31 meeting in Angola. Therefore, We suggest that the authors of this proposal make the following amendments: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>5.7.3.2 Source entities are not eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for 12 months period after the transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>5.7.4.3. Transferred legacy resources will still be regarded as legacy resources.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: Provided that the above are amended, the decisions is Rough Consensus is achieved </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Based on the above, The updated version of the follow proposal which achieved rough consensus would be posted on the PDWG website </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><b><span lang=EN-PH>1.</span></b><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><b><span lang=EN-PH>Board Prerogatives </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:106.8pt;line-height:105%'><b><span lang=EN-PH>2.</span></b><span lang=EN-PH style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><b><span lang=EN-PH>Resource Transfer Policy</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Therefore, these two policies are now on last call. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>Co-Chair </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>PDWG</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>Website</span></a><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>, <a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin" target="_blank">Weekly Bulletin</a> <a href="http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">UGPortal</a> <a href="https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">PGPortal</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br>http://www.theipv6company.com<br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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