<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:15 AM ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">Dear PDWG Members,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hi Cochairs and PDWG</p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Please see below analysis and comments on Co-Chairs notes for the proposal below:</p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt 0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">10.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH"><b>Resource Transfer Policy</b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">This proposal aims to introduce Inter RIR
transfer. However, it has the following opposition </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.25in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Issues with Legacy holder
transfer is potentially considered none-reciprocal by ARIN</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Which issue with the legacy holder is this? And what does “potentially” mean here?</p><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
<p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt 1.25in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Potential abuse of AFRINIC free
pool without the time limit of receiving an allocation from AFRINIC.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">How is this “potential “ abuse difference from the general abuse this proposal itself represents with its problem statement and how it addresses the problems it intended to solve?</p></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: The proposal is the least
contested of all the 3 competing proposals. </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You ignored all the objections on the problem statement, the incoherence with the solutions and the implementation challenges that were raised ?<br><br>Few of them below:<br><br>———-<br><i>5.7.3.1 The source must be the current rightful holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR, and shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR, and shall not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”</i><br>———-<br><br>It is the receiving party which must satisfy the receiving RIR policies. The source must satisfy the transferring RIR membership agreements and governing policies to initiate a valid transfer.<br><br>———<br><i>5.7.5.1 The transferring party who holds the resources can initiate a transfer request between itself and an external party. If the two parties agree, the transferring party will send a request to the receiving RIR, using a standard template and submit an official agreement of resource transfer to the involved RIR(s). The transfer shall be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”</i><br>———<br><br>Why is source RIR not involved? Note that the transferring party is not known by the receiving RIR.<br><br>————<br><i>5.7.5.2 After the receiving RIR approves the transfer, it will notify the transferring RIR, the transferring party and the recipient. The resources will be transferred to the recipient.”</i><br>———-—<br><br>Why would the receiving be notifying an RIR which has not processed transfer request. It’s backwards?<br><br>———-<br><i>5.7.5.3 When the receiving RIR approves the transfer, the resources will be transferred to the recipient”<br></i>————<br><br></div><div>Receiving RIR cannot initiate a transfer. Only the transferring RIR can transfer. Receiving it can receive and check local policy.<br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">However because of the community’s
desire and clear expression for the need
for an Inter RIR transfer, we, the Co-chairs, believe that in the interest of
the community we should focus on a proposal rather than several similar ones.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">You believed, instead of asking the WG how it wants to proceed. Your role here should have been :</p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>⁃ To show the problem being solved by each of them.</p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>⁃ To show Pros and Cons for each solution and the WG then decides.</p><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">This desire was clearly expressed at the AFRINIC 31 meeting in Angola.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">In Angola, your attempt to get the authors of two proposals to merge against the 3rd one failed. </span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">Therefore, We suggest that the authors of this proposal make the following
amendments:</span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
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<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">On which basis Co-chairs made such decisions?<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Were these amendments discussed by the WG?</p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH" style="font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.3.2 Source entities are not eligible to receive
further IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for 12 months period after
the transfer.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Why impose such restriction on people<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>doing open and free businesses?</p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">This contradicts the intent of the proposal.</p>
<div><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">Why not changing the proposed </span><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px;color:rgb(31,107,192)">5.7.3.3</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"> which goes with the </span><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px;color:rgb(31,107,192)">5.7.3.2</span><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"> </span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.4.3. Transferred legacy
resources will still be regarded as legacy resources.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">Why should a legacy resource transferred through an Inter-RIR transfer policy keep its status of legacy at the destination?</span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: Provided that the above are
amended, the decisions is Rough Consensus is achieved </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div><font face="Helvetica Neue">Provided that these amendments have not been accepted by the WG and that the proposal has several issues, no</font><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">rough Consensus is achieved.</span><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"> </span></div><div> </div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Noah</div></div></div>