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<p>Hi Lamiaa,</p>
<p>Thank you for the clarification.</p>
<p>Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
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<p>On 2020/09/23 12:38, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
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Let me explain again in a simpler form.<br>
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1. I do agree we should have abuse-c in whois. <br>
2. I even agree to make it mandatory . <br>
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What I do not agree with is to make abuse-c any different
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Here is policy text for admin-c and tech-c:<br>
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located at the site of the AS.<br>
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section, and instead, just have
one line at 7.5.1, (adding one sentence below tech-c) <b
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contact("abuse-c") should be a person who can handle
abuse issues on
the network, and it is for network to
communicate each other on abuse issues.”</b> Just like
how we treat other
mandatory contact attribute in the whois, if someone
creates an object without
it, the system returns to error, just like admin-c or
tech-c.<br>
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And problem solved, what you are concerned with have been
addressed at 100%.
And on a side note, if a network is a responsible network,
I believe they all
already have an abuse contact there, since it was a
function of whois many
versions ago, and for the ones who never care for abuse
(mostly large
residential telecoms), I doubt what we do here would
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On 2020/09/22 10:32, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
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choose NOT TO REPLY, this is my
network, and I decide how I want
to run it. Everyday I ignore tons
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folder called spam, and it is
entirely up to me to decide IN MY
NETWORK what I consider spam. I
think you fundamentally mix up the
concept of "management of IP
address registration" with
"management of network". AFRINIC
only has a mandate to manage
registration of IP numbers, it
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<p>Nobody is asking Afrinic to manage any networks. We're
asking them to help those of that want to be good netizens
to enable us to do that, by ensuring that contact can be
made with other networks for the purposes of resolving
abuse related problems. My experience says that usually
these disputes are between customers of ISPs but they
insist that the ISPs should do something about it. So
short of me dropping your entire set of prefixes, I'd
prefer to be able to make contact with you in order to
look for a resolution. Personally, I'm not worried about
screaming insults and the like, those or nitty gritty
issues people should sort out themselves, but what happens
if a customer of yours is actively trying to hack on of
mine? Or the other way around? Would you prefer we all
just drop each other's routes and never actually resolve
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hijacking as policy violation,
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clause in abuse-c get pushed back
very hard in RIPE. Hands off my
network, as Randy Bush famously
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<p>I am sorry, in my opinion you're out of line here, that
is bordering on a personal attack on Jordi, we're all
trying to make this Internet a better place. As is
Jordi. Whilst I do not agree with him on everything, what
is it to you have a single email address that people can
mail you on? Honestly, nobody said you're not allowed to
filter spam on that. Again, you choose what is spam and
not. We're asking you to be responsible. Basically by
saying you refuse to publish an abuse contact you're
effectively being an elitist stating that your network is
so perfect that there is no reason anyone would ever need
to contact you in an attempt to resolve a (probably)
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<p>My response to that would be: So why should I route your
traffic? Why shouldn't I just outright reject all your
prefixes?<br>
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<p>By enabling networks to contact each other via an abuse
contact it enables all of us to communicate better,
towards sorting out real issues. If you don't want to be
part of the solution, my personal opinion is that you
should not form part of the internet. My opinion is that
by making abuse related contact more reliable we're
improving the overall networking landscape. You're still
welcome to ignore contact you don't consider legitimate.
But know that that leaves us few options if you do ignore
a legitimate issues.<br>
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<p>No one is asking for confidential data. We're asking for
a contact where we can make contact with you in a case
where of my customers and one of yours have issues with
each other, in order to get problems / issues / disputes /
whatever resolved amicably instead of via lawyers, so by
all means, if you prefer me first suing Afrinic for your
contact details, and then suing you for damages + costs
... guess we can go that route too.</p>
<p>Alternatively I can file abuse complaints against you
with your transit providers and if they agree with me,
it's not just one or two of your customers that's going to
face difficulty, it's going to be all of them.</p>
<p>Either way, with an attitude like yours I'm fairly
certain not many people will think twice about dropping
your prefixes.<br>
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all networks should be run
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music after 10pm, but that doesn't
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church to arrest them and ban them
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you're right. This policy is for improving the internet
for billions of people, by enabling networks to contact
each other to resolve abuse related issues such that the
internet can remain an open and friendly place by
eliminating the problems. An abuse contact allows us to
achieve exactly that. Without it, no one is going to
contact you regarding individual customers of yours,
enabling you to take action against your individual
customers, or to work with your customers to resolve
problems, they're going to track down your transit
providers, and they're going to get your entire network
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don’t think you can choose “not to reply”. You
can choose “not to consider it an abuse”, but
not reply at all, in my opinion, will be
against the correct management of the
resources, which you’re bound as an AFRINIC
member. You can choose to no reply to victims
if they insist in something that you told them
is not an abuse, that’s fine, but you must
reply to AFRINIC for the validation of any
data, whois, etc.</span></p>
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and 8.4 are making sure that you
respond to an abuse case, *<b>not</b>*
that you *<b>recognize</b>* it as an
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“victim ISP”, look for me this is not
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response (for example, have they, once
I send the validation email, clicked
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we don’t have it, AFRINIC can’t do a
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is making sure that you don’t try to
fake the validation. For instance, you
could respond only to AFRINIC
validations and then discard all the
other emails. If we don’t have that,
the policy may become useless. Note
also that in fact, if you follow the
RSA, *<b>anyone</b>* could escalate *<b>any</b>*
lack of CPM compliance. So this is
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style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Clearly
this proposal is not asking AFRINIC to
be a police. Is only making sure that
the parties *<b>can talk</b>*. Again:
AFRINIC will not be involved in “how
you handle the case”, but I least you
should be able to be contacted and
respond.</span></p>
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this example:</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">If AK or Moses customers
are sending me spam, or trying to
intrude my network, and they have
abuse contacts, I will be able to
complain to them. Then we have two
cases:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="color:black" lang="EN-US">1.</span><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Moses responds to me and
say “you’re right, this is against our
AUP” (is irrelevant what the law in
Moses country say, it is the contract
with customers what says what is
allowed or not). Let’s fix it. I will
warn the customer, and if they don’t
stop, we will filter their email port,
or even cancel the contract (just
examples, only Moses can decide what
they do).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">AK instead doesn’t care,
or the mailbox is full or bouncing
emails or respond “sorry in our
network we allow that”. Then I can
take my own decision, filter only that
IP address, or the complete AK
network. I can even see if this is
allowed in his country and take legal
actions (which usually you don’t do
because is costly and more of the
regulations don’t know “anything”
about abuse or even Internet!).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">AFRINIC
will not take any measure if AK
decides that is not an abuse. It is
our problem not AFRINIC problem.
However, if the email is bouncing,
AFRINIC will revalidate the abuse-c
and make sure that it works.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-US">Is like a phone book. You
have there the phones and they must be
correct, or you need to update them
every “n” months. The phone book
doesn’t tell the purpose of each
phone. If you don’t want to accept
calls related to “ordering pizzas”,
you tell the caller “this number is
not for that”, but at least you must
pick up the phone otherwise, you don’t
know if it is somebody calling by
error or someone that you really want
to talk. And this is true for *<b>every</b>*
whois contact.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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you let us know how do you handle it
in the networks that you operate?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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21/9/20 10:00, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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are very confused. I never said I have
a problem with people completing their
registration. Keep
registration---having an abuse contact
Email in the whois, just like tech
contact or admin contact--I am
perfectly fine with it, and I think
the current policy achieves 99% it, if
you want to add this contact as
mandatory field I am fine with it as
well.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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problem of this policy in 8.3-8.6, is
that it requires AFRINIC to monitor
the members HOW to manage their abuse
mailbox down to the subject line, and
that is out of the scope of AFRINIC,
just read my last email with logic in
mind and you will understand. I
suggest this policy should be very
simple, adding one line to the
current policy-- abuse contact is
mandatory, and it's done, everything
else should be deleted.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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you are trying to use AFRINIC for
something that is not in its scope,
how someone manages their mailbox is
not in the scope of AFRINIC, it is
like you go to your local church to
ask them to arrest your neighbour who
plays loud music at night when you
should go to police instead. Same
thing for someone running an abusive
network, as many already stated, it is
up to a local Jury to decide if it is
simply at an annoying level or a
criminal offense, but either way
please do go to your local police to
report it.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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internet, we never tell you how to
behave--you are entirely at your
rights in the internet to behave
abusively, but it is also entirely in
everyone's rights to block you, that's
how de-centralizing works, no central
governing, everyone plays nice because
that's the only way for everyone else
to play with you, and this policy here
asks AFRINIC to act like a central
government even down to manage
people's mailbox's subject line and
that is way beyond what internet meant
to be.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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20 sept. 2020 à 23:42, Fernando
Frediani <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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On 19/09/2020 13:19, Lamiaa
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<pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:70.8pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)" lang="EN-US">How is it in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how I manage my abuse mailbox? If I want to reply only to a specific subject line of my abuse box, it is entirely in my right to do. Even if I don't want to reply at the abuse mailbox at all, that is my right to do so and if I think no action in my network would be considered abuse (although unlikely), but it is still from the internet community point of view, entirely in my right to do so. You might choose to block me as a network, but that is also your right. </span></pre>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt">It
is not in the scope of any RIR
how anyone manage people's<br>
<br>
mailboxes.<br>
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<br>
Nobody exists alone in the
Internet. If an organization<br>
<br>
hypothetically doesn't care at
all and refuses to respond to
abuse<br>
<br>
emails it probably should
re-think its existence in the
Internet<br>
<br>
business.</p>
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<p
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Internet is what is among many
reasons because of the<br>
<br>
cooperation among its
organizations, and there are
certain rules<br>
<br>
that are agreed cooperatively
and must be observed by everyone<br>
<br>
willing remain on it, otherwise
it may in many cases cause
serious<br>
<br>
damage to those willing to
operate in serious manner and
keep it a<br>
<br>
healthy place to most people who
depend on it.</p>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt">This
forum is about setting rules on
how registration information<br>
<br>
about resources are kept and it
may be of the wish of the<br>
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community to refuse keep
registration for those who
repetitively<br>
<br>
abuse of their individual
rights.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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18 sept. 2020 à 09:23,<br>
<br>
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I don’t agree. Internet doesn't
depend on<br>
<br>
any jurisdiction;
abuse is about what
I (the victim<br>
<br>
operator) consider
abuse. The RFC is
clear about that,<br>
<br>
in short
“Inappropriate
public behaviour”
(is a<br>
<br>
mailbox so to be
able to contact in
case there is a<br>
<br>
possible
inappropriate
behaviour in the
public<br>
<br>
Internet). If you
want a clearer
definition, abuse is<br>
<br>
*<b>anything</b>*
that I don’t want to
accept in my<br>
<br>
network because is
in any way damaging
it.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If I don’t want to accept a DoS, or
spam,<br>
<br>
or phising, DMCA, or
whatever, this is
abuse *<b>for<br>
<br>
me</b>*. I’ve the
right to tell you
because that<br>
<br>
abuse is coming from
your network. If you
believe that<br>
<br>
is not abuse (and
here is your
jurisdiction in some<br>
<br>
cases, in other just
doesn’t exist, but
it may be also<br>
<br>
your “business”
decision – like
operators that don’t<br>
<br>
care if their
customers do spam or
intrusion<br>
<br>
attempts), you’ve
the right to tell me
“sorry, this is<br>
<br>
not abuse for us”,
and then I’ve the
right to decide<br>
<br>
if I should filter
your network based
on your<br>
<br>
response.</span></p>
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that<br>
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I’m not able to
contact you, so we
can’t talk, we<br>
<br>
can’t investigate or
agree if it is an
abuse or not,<br>
<br>
so you (the offender
operator) don’t have
the chance<br>
<br>
to decide about it!
Is bad for you, is
bad for me. In<br>
<br>
those cases, my best
choice is to filter
you. This<br>
<br>
create problems for
your customers and
my customers.</span></p>
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because<br>
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then the policy will
need to consider
inter-relations<br>
<br>
among every possible
“pairs” of country
worlds, and we<br>
<br>
will need to update
the policy based on
any<br>
<br>
jurisdiction change.
The policy is not
about that, is<br>
<br>
about having a valid
responsible contact,
not about<br>
<br>
deciding what is an
abuse, which is
among the two<br>
<br>
parties.</span></p>
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AFRINIC<br>
<br>
than the rest of the
world, because none
of the RIRs<br>
<br>
have defined abuse
in their policies. I
even don’t<br>
<br>
recall that having
appeared in the
discussions!</span></p>
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<br>
you want, I’m
happy to change
the title of the<br>
<br>
proposal to
“supposed abuse
contact”, that may
be<br>
<br>
clearing your
point?</span></p>
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<br>
this is not about
defining what is
abuse, this is<br>
<br>
among the parties.
It is about making
sure that<br>
<br>
there is a valid
responsible
contact in case of<br>
<br>
anyone needs to
report what he
considers an
abuse.<br>
<br>
AFRINIC will not
punish anyone that
believes that<br>
<br>
his customer is
not doing an abuse
because in his<br>
<br>
country is not an
abuse.</span></p>
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<br>
18/9/20 9:59,
"Lamiaa Chnayti"
<<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:</p>
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Jordi,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:106.2pt">RFC2142<br>
<br>
only defines a
tiny portion of
the network abuse.
In<br>
<br>
real world
operation, abuse
consists of a
much<br>
<br>
boarder range :
DMCA(copy rights)
claims,<br>
<br>
unsolicited emails
, phishing
websites , trade
mark<br>
<br>
disputes etc. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
those are legal
issues that vary
vastly across<br>
<br>
different
juridictions in
which no one but
each of<br>
<br>
the juridiction’s
judges can decide
if it is an<br>
<br>
abuse or an
illegal activity.
Claiming that
RFC2142<br>
<br>
defines not even
1% of real world
abuse is<br>
<br>
laughable.</p>
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<p
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<br>
17 sept. 2020
à 15:51, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ
via<br>
<br>
RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :</p>
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<br>
Lamiaa,</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">I’ve<br>
<br>
said this
already. This
policy doesn’t<br>
<br>
enforce abuse,
it enforces
that the abuse<br>
<br>
contact is
there, and
works.</span></p>
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<br>
AFRINIC is
paying for the
cost of the<br>
<br>
abuse handling
because only a
tiny<br>
<br>
fraction of
the members
has the abuse<br>
<br>
contacts in
place.</span></p>
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<br>
the contacts
in the RIR
database
aren’t<br>
<br>
actual and
accurate, this
is a clear<br>
<br>
violation of
the RSA. So
what is<br>
<br>
unacceptable
is not having
the contacts,<br>
<br>
not on the
other way
around.</span></p>
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<br>
is not defined
by the RIRs,
everybody<br>
<br>
knows it and
this is the
reason why
NONE<br>
<br>
of the RIRs
have
re-defined it,
because it<br>
<br>
is already
stated in
RFC2142. Can
you<br>
<br>
justify why
AFRINIC is
different and
need<br>
<br>
a definition?</span></p>
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<br>
you define it
in the
networks that
you<br>
<br>
operate?</span></p>
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<p
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<br>
10:49, "Lamiaa
Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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<br>
escribió:</p>
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will have to
agree with
Lucilla on
what<br>
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she said and
would like to
add to it<br>
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that :</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm">Firstly, Abuse<br>
<br>
enforcement is
out of scope
for RIRs.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm">Secondly, RIRs<br>
<br>
have no
ability to
define what is<br>
<br>
“abuse”, one
abuse or even
criminal<br>
<br>
activity could
be entirely a
legal<br>
<br>
operation in a
different
jurisdiction.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm">Finally, making<br>
<br>
a member
forcefully
reply to abuse<br>
<br>
contact Emails
are a waste of
resources<br>
<br>
and totally
pointless, it
is entirely up<br>
<br>
to the member
to define what
they think<br>
<br>
is acceptable
in their
network
operation<br>
<br>
and how they
react to it.
AFRINIC has no<br>
<br>
mandate to
force any
member to
reply to<br>
<br>
an “abuse”,
since AFRINIC
doesn’t even<br>
<br>
have the
ability to
identify what
is<br>
<br>
considered an
abuse.</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm">Therefore the<br>
<br>
entire policy
is out of
scope for the<br>
<br>
RIR operation.</span></p>
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<p
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style="margin-left:141.6pt">Le jeu. 17<br>
<br>
sept. 2020
à 07:42, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ<br>
<br>
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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a écrit :</p>
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<p
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<p
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">Today we already have<br>
<br>
mnt-IRT, and
everybody who
operate<br>
<br>
networks
understand
what it is an<br>
<br>
abuse. If you
operate
networks you<br>
<br>
know that *<b>anything</b>*
which<br>
<br>
is a
non-authorized
use of a<br>
<br>
network is an
abuse.</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">If you send spam,<br>
<br>
attack
networks, try
to intrude<br>
<br>
networks,
etc., all
those are<br>
<br>
abuse.</span></p>
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">What the policy ask<br>
<br>
is to make
sure that in
AFRINIC<br>
<br>
everybody has
an abuse
contact<br>
<br>
(today we have
mnt-IRT, but
is not<br>
<br>
mandatory, and
as a results
many<br>
<br>
African
networks are
filtered<br>
<br>
because lack
of that – and<br>
<br>
consequently
they do not
respond<br>
<br>
to abuse cases
-, which exist
in<br>
<br>
all the other
regions of the<br>
<br>
world).</span></p>
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse<br>
<br>
means more
chances of
legal<br>
<br>
actions, more
cost, for both
the<br>
<br>
victims and
the ISPs.
Having<br>
<br>
that means
that you have
more<br>
<br>
chances to
resolve it in<br>
<br>
goodfaith.</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most<br>
<br>
important</b>*
Afrinic<br>
<br>
missions is to
have accuracy
on<br>
<br>
the database,
which includes<br>
<br>
accuracy on
the contacts.
We are<br>
<br>
not fulfilling
that in this<br>
<br>
situation.</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*<br>
<br>
the other RIRs
have already
this<br>
<br>
kind of
policy. This
one is like<br>
<br>
the one that
has been<br>
<br>
implemented in
APNIC, and the<br>
<br>
accuracy of
the contacts
is now<br>
<br>
87.5% as
reported this
month in<br>
<br>
the last APNIC
meeting. In
that<br>
<br>
report *<b>none</b>*
of the<br>
<br>
members
indicated any
of the<br>
<br>
issues that
you indicated<br>
<br>
(didn't
happened as
well in the<br>
<br>
other
regions).</span></p>
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">You know who is<br>
<br>
interested in
not having
abuse<br>
<br>
contacts?
Those that use
their<br>
<br>
networks for
doing abuse<br>
<br>
(hijacking,
spam, DoS,<br>
<br>
intrusions,
etc.).</span></p>
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windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">Can you explain if<br>
<br>
the network
that you
operate has<br>
<br>
an abuse
contact an how
if one<br>
<br>
of your
customes is
trying to<br>
<br>
penetrate my
network or do
a<br>
<br>
DoS, I will be
able to
contact<br>
<br>
you and if you
will do
anything<br>
<br>
or just ignore
it?</span></p>
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<br>
17/9/20 2:21,
"lucilla
fornaro"<br>
<br>
<<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="border:1pt none
windowtext;padding:0cm">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<br>
escribió:</p>
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all,</p>
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<p
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<br>
have some
concerns about
the<br>
<br>
“Abuse Contact
Policy”.</p>
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<p
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<br>
of all, it
does not offer
a<br>
<br>
specific and
regulated<br>
<br>
description of
the term<br>
<br>
“abuse” and
this opens the<br>
<br>
door to
potentially
bigger<br>
<br>
problems: a
surplus of<br>
<br>
reports,
discrimination/legal<br>
<br>
issues, and a
waste of<br>
<br>
resources.
Around the
world,<br>
<br>
we can
perceive what
abuse is<br>
<br>
in very
different
ways.</p>
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<p
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17 sept. 2020 à
15:49, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ
via<br>
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a écrit :</p>
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Lamiaa,</span></p>
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<br>
said this
already. This
policy doesn’t<br>
<br>
enforce abuse,
it enforces
that the abuse<br>
<br>
contact is
there, and
works.</span></p>
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<p
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<br>
AFRINIC is
paying for the
cost of the
abuse<br>
<br>
handling
because only a
tiny fraction
of the<br>
<br>
members has
the abuse
contacts in
place.</span></p>
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the<br>
<br>
contacts in
the RIR
database
aren’t actual<br>
<br>
and accurate,
this is a
clear
violation of<br>
<br>
the RSA. So
what is
unacceptable
is not<br>
<br>
having the
contacts, not
on the other
way<br>
<br>
around.</span></p>
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is<br>
<br>
not defined by
the RIRs,
everybody
knows it<br>
<br>
and this is
the reason why
NONE of the
RIRs<br>
<br>
have
re-defined it,
because it is
already<br>
<br>
stated in
RFC2142. Can
you justify
why<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is
different and
need a
definition?</span></p>
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you<br>
<br>
define it in
the networks
that you
operate?</span></p>
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<p
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<br>
10:49, "Lamiaa
Chnayti" <<a
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escribió:</p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)" lang="EN-US">I<br>
<br>
will have to
agree with
Lucilla on
what<br>
<br>
she said and
would like to
add to it that<br>
<br>
:</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Firstly, Abuse<br>
<br>
enforcement is
out of scope
for RIRs.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Secondly, RIRs<br>
<br>
have no
ability to
define what is
“abuse”,<br>
<br>
one abuse or
even criminal
activity could<br>
<br>
be entirely a
legal
operation in a<br>
<br>
different
jurisdiction.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Finally, making<br>
<br>
a member
forcefully
reply to abuse
contact<br>
<br>
Emails are a
waste of
resources and<br>
<br>
totally
pointless, it
is entirely up
to<br>
<br>
the member to
define what
they think is<br>
<br>
acceptable in
their network
operation and<br>
<br>
how they react
to it. AFRINIC
has no<br>
<br>
mandate to
force any
member to
reply to an<br>
<br>
“abuse”, since
AFRINIC
doesn’t even
have<br>
<br>
the ability to
identify what
is considered<br>
<br>
an abuse.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Therefore the<br>
<br>
entire policy
is out of
scope for the
RIR<br>
<br>
operation.</span></p>
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<p
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style="margin-left:141.6pt">Le jeu. 17<br>
<br>
sept. 2020
à 07:42, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ<br>
<br>
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :</p>
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<br>
Lucilla,</span></p>
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<p
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Today<br>
<br>
we already
have mnt-IRT,
and<br>
<br>
everybody who
operate
networks<br>
<br>
understand
what it is an
abuse. If<br>
<br>
you operate
networks you
know that *<b>anything</b>*<br>
<br>
which is a
non-authorized
use of a<br>
<br>
network is an
abuse.</span></p>
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If<br>
<br>
you send spam,
attack
networks, try<br>
<br>
to intrude
networks,
etc., all
those<br>
<br>
are abuse.</span></p>
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<p
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style="margin-left:141.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">What<br>
<br>
the policy ask
is to make
sure that<br>
<br>
in AFRINIC
everybody has
an abuse<br>
<br>
contact (today
we have
mnt-IRT, but<br>
<br>
is not
mandatory, and
as a results<br>
<br>
many African
networks are
filtered<br>
<br>
because lack
of that – and<br>
<br>
consequently
they do not
respond to<br>
<br>
abuse cases -,
which exist in
all<br>
<br>
the other
regions of the
world).</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Not
having an
abuse<br>
<br>
means more
chances of
legal<br>
<br>
actions, more
cost, for both
the<br>
<br>
victims and
the ISPs.
Having that<br>
<br>
means that you
have more
chances<br>
<br>
to resolve it
in goodfaith.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">One
of the *<b>most<br>
<br>
important</b>*
Afrinic
missions<br>
<br>
is to have
accuracy on
the<br>
<br>
database,
which includes
accuracy<br>
<br>
on the
contacts. We
are not<br>
<br>
fulfilling
that in this
situation.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Remember
that *<b>all</b>*<br>
<br>
the other RIRs
have already
this<br>
<br>
kind of
policy. This
one is like<br>
<br>
the one that
has been
implemented<br>
<br>
in APNIC, and
the accuracy
of the<br>
<br>
contacts is
now 87.5% as
reported<br>
<br>
this month in
the last APNIC<br>
<br>
meeting. In
that report *<b>none</b>*<br>
<br>
of the members
indicated any
of<br>
<br>
the issues
that you
indicated<br>
<br>
(didn't
happened as
well in the<br>
<br>
other
regions).</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">You
know who is<br>
<br>
interested in
not having
abuse<br>
<br>
contacts?
Those that use
their<br>
<br>
networks for
doing abuse<br>
<br>
(hijacking,
spam, DoS,
intrusions,<br>
<br>
etc.).</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Can
you explain if<br>
<br>
the network
that you
operate has<br>
<br>
an abuse
contact an how
if one of<br>
<br>
your customes
is trying to<br>
<br>
penetrate my
network or do
a DoS,<br>
<br>
I will be able
to contact you
and<br>
<br>
if you will do
anything or
just<br>
<br>
ignore it?</span></p>
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<br>
17/9/20 2:21,
"lucilla
fornaro"<br>
<br>
<<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:</p>
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all,</p>
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<br>
have some
concerns about
the<br>
<br>
“Abuse Contact
Policy”.</p>
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<br>
of all, it
does not offer
a<br>
<br>
specific and
regulated<br>
<br>
description of
the term
“abuse”<br>
<br>
and this
opens the door
to<br>
<br>
potentially
bigger
problems: a<br>
<br>
surplus of
reports,<br>
<br>
discrimination/legal issues, and<br>
<br>
a waste of
resources.
Around the<br>
<br>
world, we can
perceive what<br>
<br>
abuse is in
very different
ways.</p>
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<p
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<br>
is not
entitled to
force members<br>
<br>
to report
abuses and
most<br>
<br>
importantly,
this proposal
does<br>
<br>
not represent
Afrinic’s
purpose.</p>
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<br>
therefore,
oppose this
policy.</p>
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