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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Daniel,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The chairs indicated in another proposal, that it is a valid objection to “consider the mailing list as part of the consensus”. I’ve asked already about that, still waiting their response.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think this is the correct way (consider both the mailing list and the meeting), however our PDP doesn’t state that. So in theory is not up to the chairs to consider the mailing list inputs, even if this has been the practice for many years and the same chairs have recognized it in Luanda (see the links to the videos that I’ve sent a few days ago in a previous email).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However, is not a clear contradiction that the chairs use then the list then?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So what is the correct perspective of the chairs, what they said in one email or in the next one?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Note that I’m in favour of considering the list, but this should be done always, not just when it is interesting for the chairs and not when it is a valid objection to a proposal that want to make that explicit in the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Right now, if we follow the PDP, it is a perfectly valid concern towards an appeal for the complete meeting decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 22/9/20 23:47, "Daniel Yakmut via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Fernando,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I don't think it was only PPM points that were considered at reaching at the conclusions on Resource Transfer Policy or any other policies for that matter. In my view I could see that the Co-Chairs were able to navigate the historical backgrounds (which included PPMs and the List) of all the policies and come to some reasonable conclusions. However, some omissions may occur, but that should not be considered as deliberate.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>What is also of importance here, is the fact that a single statement can be overwhelming and compelling over several others that have been repeatedly mentioned. Clearly, such have occurred with just the one mention you are referring.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So, the fact that some one person mention the matter, it means the Co-Authors did not project any personal views on saying that rough consensus was reached. Generally, the Co-authors did a fairly good job of giving us timely summary of the state of all the policies discussed at the online PPM.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Simply<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 21/09/2020 4:23 pm, Fernando Frediani wro<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Abdulkarim<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So you are taking in consideration something that one mentioned in a single day opportunity over what has been discussed for months in the list for for a much larger number of people who contributed to it ? You are considering what has been discussed in the PPM as final and as something that has to be adjusted in the proposal because of that single day discussion ?<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I am not saying by that that you should not consider or consider less what has been discussed in the PPM, but <b>at minimum</b> this discussion <b>must happen also in this RPD list</b> to find out if this is really a consensus and clearly it doesn't seem to be as there are multiple people who don't agree with it. Actually this is a *very controversial point* that may cause more issues than the historical holding of unused resources by the legacy holders may cause.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Even if you Co-Chairs consider it's good, your personal view can not be a decision factor for that to be considered rough consensus.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If this point is automatically considered rough consensus in this way, without proper discussion with others that did not have the opportunity to participate on the PPM we will certainly appeal from this decision which is dismissing many other people who may not agree and have plenty of reasons for that.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><b>From:</b> ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng"><oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng></a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21, 2020 7:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> Fernando Frediani <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br><b>Cc:</b> rpd List <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC 32)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Fernando,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'>It was mentioned durring the PPM. Please watch the recordings.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'>Co-Chair<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'>On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:19 AM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'>On 20/09/2020 21:04, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><clip> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:71.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>10. Resource Transfer Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>This proposal aims to introduce Inter RIR transfer. However, it has the following opposition </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>a. Issues with Legacy holder transfer is potentially considered none-reciprocal by ARIN</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:125.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>b. Potential abuse of AFRINIC free pool without the time limit of receiving an allocation from AFRINIC.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: The proposal is the least contested of all the 3 competing proposals. However because of the community’s desire and clear expression for the need for an Inter RIR transfer, we, the Co-chairs, believe that in the interest of the community we should focus on a proposal rather than several similar ones. This desire was clearly expressed at the AFRINIC 31 meeting in Angola. Therefore, We suggest that the authors of this proposal make the following amendments: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:71.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-PH> </span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-family:Symbol'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>5.7.3.2 Source entities are not eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for 12 months period after the transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:71.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-PH> </span><span lang=EN-PH style='font-family:Symbol'> </span><span lang=EN-PH>5.7.4.3. Transferred legacy resources will still be regarded as legacy resources.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>I don't remember during the discussion of this proposal someone making a point for legacy resources once transferred to remain with legacy status. It doesn't make sense at all.<br>In all RIRs I know any legacy resources once transferred looses the legacy status and that makes <b>a lot of sense</b> in order to end up with a historical distortion to the system and favor resources end up on organizations who really justify for them now a days.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Can the Co-Chairs point in which part of the discussion of this proposal this claim was made in order to consider that a rough consensus ? I have searched in the RPD Archives on the content of this discussion for months and couldn't find any mention to this point.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks<br>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Chairs Decision: Provided that the above are amended, the decisions is Rough Consensus is achieved </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-PH>Based on the above, The updated version of the follow proposal which achieved rough consensus would be posted on the PDWG website </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:71.4pt;line-height:105%'><b><span lang=EN-PH>1. Board Prerogatives </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:71.4pt;line-height:105%'><b><span lang=EN-PH>2. 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