<div dir="ltr">hello Lamiaa,<div><br></div><div>I totally get your point (and tell me if I got it wrong): if the network doesn't perceive it like an abuse it can choose not to reply to it.</div><div>It is true, the Internet is about cooperation but it is also founded on a certain level of freedom that AFRINIC is not entitled to limit/verify. </div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>Lucilla </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 21 set 2020 alle ore 21:46 Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(21,21,21);white-space:pre-wrap">       Hey Jordi,</span><div><font color="#151515" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><pre style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif">You keep mixing up two very simple concepts, it is ok for AFRINIC to include abuse-c as part of whois registration, just like admin-c or tech-c. But IT IS ENTIRELY absurd to have AFRINIC to verify how members reply to their Email, even down to the subject line. It is entirely the network's right to choose NOT to reply to that "victim ISP" at all because it doesn't think this is an abuse. </font></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><pre dir="auto" style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><pre style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif">And again you keep asking about my personal network and how I run it, and which is entirely irrelevant to this policy discussion. You can not disqualify people by disallowing anyone not running a network in this list, so what is your point? People discussing here who are running networks or not are none of anyone's business and is not relevant to the discussion of this policy.</font></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><pre style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></pre><pre style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Regards,</font></pre><pre style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></pre><pre style="text-align:left;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-left:26px;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Lamiaa</font></pre><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 21 sept. 2020 à 10:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Lamiaa,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">8.3 and 8.4 are making sure that you respond to an abuse case, *<b>not</b>* that you *<b>recognize</b>* it as an abuse. It is your choice to tell the “victim ISP”, look for me this is not an abuse, so I will not do anything about it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">AFRINIC can’t verify this automatically, because it doesn’t make sense that AFRINIC is “sending” fake abuse reports to see if they get a response.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">AFRINIC can only send an email for the validation of the mailbox. It is an existing mailbox? I’m getting a response (for example, have they, once I send the validation email, clicked the link or went into MyAfrinic to input the validation code?).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">8.4 also states the timing for the validation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">8.5 is the validation itself, so I guess, according to your response, that you’re ok with this specific point. If we don’t have it, AFRINIC can’t do a periodic validation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">8.6. is making sure that you don’t try to fake the validation. For instance, you could respond only to AFRINIC validations and then discard all the other emails. If we don’t have that, the policy may become useless. Note also that in fact, if you follow the RSA, *<b>anyone</b>* could escalate *<b>any</b>* lack of CPM compliance. So this is making sure that the policy text is honest and transparent.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Or do you prefer to be filtered because you don’t respond?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Clearly this proposal is not asking AFRINIC to be a police. Is only making sure that the parties *<b>can talk</b>*. Again: AFRINIC will not be involved in “how you handle the case”, but I least you should be able to be contacted and respond.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">See this example:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">If AK or Moses customers are sending me spam, or trying to intrude my network, and they have abuse contacts, I will be able to complain to them. Then we have two cases:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">   </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Moses responds to me and say “you’re right, this is against our AUP” (is irrelevant what the law in Moses country say, it is the contract with customers what says what is allowed or not). Let’s fix it. I will warn the customer, and if they don’t stop, we will filter their email port, or even cancel the contract (just examples, only Moses can decide what they do).</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">2.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">   </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">AK instead doesn’t care, or the mailbox is full or bouncing emails or respond “sorry in our network we allow that”. Then I can take my own decision, filter only that IP address, or the complete AK network. I can even see if this is allowed in his country and take legal actions (which usually you don’t do because is costly and more of the regulations don’t know “anything” about abuse or even Internet!).</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">AFRINIC will not take any measure if AK decides that is not an abuse. It is our problem not AFRINIC problem. However, if the email is bouncing, AFRINIC will revalidate the abuse-c and make sure that it works.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Is like a phone book. You have there the phones and they must be correct, or you need to update them every “n” months. The phone book doesn’t tell the purpose of each phone. If you don’t want to accept calls related to “ordering pizzas”, you tell the caller “this number is not for that”, but at least you must pick up the phone otherwise, you don’t know if it is somebody calling by error or someone that you really want to talk. And this is true for *<b>every</b>* whois contact.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Can you let us know how do you handle it in the networks that you operate?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 21/9/20 10:00, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Fernando, <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think you are very confused. I never said I have a problem with people completing their registration. Keep registration---having an abuse contact Email in the whois, just like tech contact or admin contact--I am perfectly fine with it, and I think the current policy achieves 99% it, if you want to add this contact as mandatory field I am fine with it as well.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> But the problem of this policy in 8.3-8.6, is that it requires AFRINIC to monitor the members HOW to manage their abuse mailbox down to the subject line,  and that is out of the scope of AFRINIC, just read my last email with logic in mind and you will understand. I suggest this policy should be very simple,  adding one line to the current policy-- abuse contact is mandatory, and it's done, everything else should be deleted.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">And again, you are trying to use AFRINIC for something that is not in its scope, how someone manages their mailbox is not in the scope of AFRINIC, it is like you go to your local church to ask them to arrest your neighbour who plays loud music at night when you should go to police instead. Same thing for someone running an abusive network, as many already stated, it is up to a local Jury to decide if it is simply at an annoying level or a criminal offense, but either way please do go to your local police to report it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">As for the internet, we never tell you how to behave--you are entirely at your rights in the internet to behave abusively, but it is also entirely in everyone's rights to block you, that's how de-centralizing works, no central governing, everyone plays nice because that's the only way for everyone else to play with you, and this policy here asks AFRINIC to act like a central government even down to manage people's mailbox's subject line and that is way beyond what internet meant to be.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lamiaa<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le dim. 20 sept. 2020 à 23:42, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br>On 19/09/2020 13:19, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><br clear="all"><br><br><br></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><clip></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><br><br><br><br></span><u></u><u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">How is it in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how I manage my abuse mailbox? If I want to reply only to a specific subject line of my abuse box, it is entirely in my right to do. Even if I don't want to reply at the abuse mailbox at all, that is my right to do so and if I think no action in my network would be considered abuse (although unlikely), but it is still from  the internet community point of view, entirely in my right to do so. You might choose to block me as a network, but that is also your right. </span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">The reason internet is called INTER-NET is because of its decentralized nature, you have to play nice for others to play with you, but this community never forces anyone to play nice, it is not in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how members reply to their abuse mailbox, so if 8.3,8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 are deleted in its entirety, I might consider supporting it. Also Jordi, I feel you always have this central management type of thinking, and that is so not internet.</span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">It is not in the scope of any RIR how anyone manage people's<br><br>mailboxes.<br><br><br>Nobody exists alone in the Internet. If an organization<br><br>hypothetically doesn't care at all and refuses to respond to abuse<br><br>emails it probably should re-think its existence in the Internet<br><br>business.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt">The Internet is what is among many reasons because of the<br><br>cooperation among its organizations, and there are certain rules<br><br>that are agreed cooperatively and must be observed by everyone<br><br>willing remain on it, otherwise it may in many cases cause serious<br><br>damage to those willing to operate in serious manner and keep it a<br><br>healthy place to most people who depend on it.<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">This forum is about setting rules on how registration information<br><br>about resources are kept and it may be of the wish of the<br><br>community to refuse keep registration for those who repetitively<br><br>abuse of their individual rights.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt">Fernando<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Lamiaa</span><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt">Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 à 09:23,<br><br>JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Lamiaa,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I don’t agree. Internet doesn't depend on<br><br>any jurisdiction; abuse is about what I (the victim<br><br>operator) consider abuse. The RFC is clear about that,<br><br>in short “Inappropriate public behaviour” (is a<br><br>mailbox so to be able to contact in case there is a<br><br>possible inappropriate behaviour in the public<br><br>Internet). If you want a clearer definition, abuse is<br><br>*<b>anything</b>* that I don’t want to accept in my<br><br>network because is in any way damaging it.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">If I don’t want to accept a DoS, or spam,<br><br>or phising, DMCA, or whatever, this is abuse *<b>for<br><br>me</b>*. I’ve the right to tell you because that<br><br>abuse is coming from your network. If you believe that<br><br>is not abuse (and here is your jurisdiction in some<br><br>cases, in other just doesn’t exist, but it may be also<br><br>your “business” decision – like operators that don’t<br><br>care if their customers do spam or intrusion<br><br>attempts), you’ve the right to tell me “sorry, this is<br><br>not abuse for us”, and then I’ve the right to decide<br><br>if I should filter your network based on your<br><br>response.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Not having an abuse contact, means that<br><br>I’m not able to contact you, so we can’t talk, we<br><br>can’t investigate or agree if it is an abuse or not,<br><br>so you (the offender operator) don’t have the chance<br><br>to decide about it! Is bad for you, is bad for me. In<br><br>those cases, my best choice is to filter you. This<br><br>create problems for your customers and my customers.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">We can’t depend on jurisdictions, because<br><br>then the policy will need to consider inter-relations<br><br>among every possible “pairs” of country worlds, and we<br><br>will need to update the policy based on any<br><br>jurisdiction change. The policy is not about that, is<br><br>about having a valid responsible contact, not about<br><br>deciding what is an abuse, which is among the two<br><br>parties.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Tell me what is different from AFRINIC<br><br>than the rest of the world, because none of the RIRs<br><br>have defined abuse in their policies. I even don’t<br><br>recall that having appeared in the discussions!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">If<br><br>you want, I’m happy to change the title of the<br><br>proposal to “supposed abuse contact”, that may be<br><br>clearing your point?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Again,<br><br>this is not about defining what is abuse, this is<br><br>among the parties. It is about making sure that<br><br>there is a valid responsible contact in case of<br><br>anyone needs to report what he considers an abuse.<br><br>AFRINIC will not punish anyone that believes that<br><br>his customer is not doing an abuse because in his<br><br>country is not an abuse.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El<br><br>18/9/20 9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br><br>escribió:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Hello<br><br>Jordi,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">RFC2142<br><br>only defines a tiny portion of the network abuse. In<br><br>real world operation, abuse consists of a  much<br><br>boarder range : DMCA(copy rights) claims,<br><br>unsolicited emails , phishing  websites , trade mark<br><br>disputes etc. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">All<br><br>those are legal issues that vary vastly across<br><br>different juridictions in which no one but each of<br><br>the juridiction’s judges can decide if it is an<br><br>abuse or an illegal activity. Claiming that RFC2142<br><br>defines not even 1% of real world abuse is<br><br>laughable.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;mar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of the RSA. So what is<br><br>unacceptable is not having the contacts,<br><br>not on the other way around.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Abuse<br><br>is not defined by the RIRs, everybody<br><br>knows it and this is the reason why NONE<br><br>of the RIRs have re-defined it, because it<br><br>is already stated in RFC2142. Can you<br><br>justify why AFRINIC is different and need<br><br>a definition?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">How<br><br>you define it in the networks that you<br><br>operate?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">El 17/9/20<br><br>10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</span></a>><br><br>escribió:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom: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 <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">If you send spam,<br><br>attack networks, try to intrude<br><br>networks, etc., all those are<br><br>abuse.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">What the policy ask<br><br>is to make sure that in AFRINIC<br><br>everybody has an abuse contact<br><br>(today we have mnt-IRT, but is not<br><br>mandatory, and as a results many<br><br>African networks are filtered<br><br>because lack of that – and<br><br>consequently they do not respond<br><br>to abuse cases -, which exist in<br><br>all the other regions of the<br><br>world).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Not having an abuse<br><br>means more chances of legal<br><br>actions, more cost, for both the<br><br>victims and the ISPs. Having<br><br>that means that you have more<br><br>chances to resolve it in<br><br>goodfaith.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">One of the *<b>most<br><br>important</b>* Afrinic<br><br>missions is to have accuracy on<br><br>the database, which includes<br><br>accuracy on the contacts. We are<br><br>not fulfilling that in this<br><br>situation.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Remember that *<b>all</b>*<br><br>the other RIRs have already this<br><br>kind of policy. This one is like<br><br>the one that has been<br><br>implemented in APNIC, and the<br><br>accuracy of the contacts is now<br><br>87.5% as reported this month in<br><br>the last APNIC meeting. In that<br><br>report *<b>none</b>* of the<br><br>members indicated any of the<br><br>issues that you indicated<br><br>(didn't happened as well in the<br><br>other regions).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">You know who is<br><br>interested in not having abuse<br><br>contacts? Those that use their<br><br>networks for doing abuse<br><br>(hijacking, spam, DoS,<br><br>intrusions, etc.).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Can you explain if<br><br>the network that you operate has<br><br>an abuse contact an how if one<br><br>of your customes is trying to<br><br>penetrate my network or do a<br><br>DoS, I will be able to contact<br><br>you and if you will do anything<br><br>or just ignore it?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">El<br><br>17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro"<br><br><<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>><br><br>escribió:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Dear<br><br>all,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">I<br><br>have some concerns about the<br><br>“Abuse Contact Policy”.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">First<br><br>of all, it does not offer a<br><br>specific and regulated<br><br>description of the term<br><br>“abuse”  and this opens the<br><br>door to potentially bigger<br><br>problems: a surplus of<br><br>reports, discrimination/legal<br><br>issues, and a waste of<br><br>resources. Around the world,<br><br>we can perceive what abuse is<br><br>in very different ways.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Afrinic<br><br>is not entitled to force<br><br>members to report abuses and<br><br>most importantly, this<br><br>proposal does not represent<br><br>Afrinic’s purpose.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">I,<br><br>therefore, oppose this policy.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Thank<br><br>you,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Lucilla <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">______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:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">I<br><br>will have to agree with Lucilla on what<br><br>she said and would like to add to it that<br><br>:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Firstly, Abuse<br><br>enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Secondly, RIRs<br><br>have no ability to define what is “abuse”,<br><br>one abuse or even criminal activity could<br><br>be entirely a legal operation in a<br><br>different jurisdiction.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Finally, making<br><br>a member forcefully reply to abuse contact<br><br>Emails are a waste of resources and<br><br>totally pointless, it is entirely up to<br><br>the member to define what they think is<br><br>acceptable in their network operation and<br><br>how they react to it. AFRINIC has no<br><br>mandate to force any member to reply to an<br><br>“abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have<br><br>the ability to identify what is considered<br><br>an abuse.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Therefore the<br><br>entire policy is out of scope for the RIR<br><br>operation.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Lamiaa</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:125.7pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"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p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">One of the *<b>most<br><br>important</b>* Afrinic missions<br><br>is to have accuracy on the<br><br>database, which includes accuracy<br><br>on the contacts. We are not<br><br>fulfilling that in this situation.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Remember that *<b>all</b>*<br><br>the other RIRs have already this<br><br>kind of policy. This one is like<br><br>the one that has been implemented<br><br>in APNIC, and the accuracy of the<br><br>contacts is now 87.5% as reported<br><br>this month in the last APNIC<br><br>meeting. In that report *<b>none</b>*<br><br>of the members indicated any of<br><br>the issues that you indicated<br><br>(didn't happened as well in the<br><br>other regions).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">You know who is<br><br>interested in not having abuse<br><br>contacts? Those that use their<br><br>networks for doing abuse<br><br>(hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions,<br><br>etc.).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Can you explain if<br><br>the network that you operate has<br><br>an abuse contact an how if one of<br><br>your customes is trying to<br><br>penetrate my network or do a DoS,<br><br>I will be able to contact you and<br><br>if you will do anything or just<br><br>ignore it?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">El<br><br>17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro"<br><br><<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>><br><br>escribió:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Dear<br><br>all,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">I<br><br>have some concerns about the<br><br>“Abuse Contact Policy”.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">First<br><br>of all, it does not offer a<br><br>specific and regulated<br><br>description of the term “abuse”<br><br> and this opens the door to<br><br>potentially bigger problems: a<br><br>surplus of reports,<br><br>discrimination/legal issues, and<br><br>a waste of resources. Around the<br><br>world, we can perceive what<br><br>abuse is in very different ways.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">Afrinic<br><br>is not entitled to force members<br><br>to report abuses and most<br><br>importantly, this proposal does<br><br>not represent Afrinic’s purpose.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:141.6pt">I,<br><br>therefore, oppose this policy.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" 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<br><br><br><br><br><br>IPv4 is over<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>This electronic message contains information<br><br>which may be privileged or confidential. The<br><br>information is intended to be for the exclusive<br><br>use of the individual(s) named above and further<br><br>non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying,<br><br>distribution or use of the contents of this<br><br>information, even if partially, including<br><br>attached files, is strictly prohibited and will<br><br>be considered a criminal offense. If you are not<br><br>the intended recipient be aware that any<br><br>disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the<br><br>contents of this information, even if partially,<br><br>including attached files, is strictly<br><br>prohibited, will be considered a criminal<br><br>offense, so you must reply to the original<br><br>sender to inform about this communication and<br><br>delete it.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><br><br><br><br>RPD mailing list<br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">-- <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Lamiaa<br><br>CHNAYTI</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><br><br><br>**********************************************<br><br><br>IPv4 is over<br><br><br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><br><br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.co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