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<div style="direction:ltr">The chairs do not get appreciated enough for the massive workload of voluntary job that they are doing for the community. They obviously want to give the community enough time to thoughtfully discuss the matters on hand, since they
merely announced the starting date and didn’t even announce when it ends, and that is a very good thing. But still, there you are, accusing them of violation. Such a shame.</div>
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<b>Inviato:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:44:14 AM<br>
<b>A:</b> Noah <noah@neo.co.tz><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC 32)</font>
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<div dir="ltr"> Dear Friend Noah,
<div>Thanks to Gaby she already help out.</div>
<div>I can also add that the Last call is for two weeks. If we see the need we can extend it.</div>
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I have also noted more violations of the PDP by Co-Chairs from the last meeting.
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Section 3.4.3 of pdp says: “<b>The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks</b>."<br>
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The Co-Chairs did not follow this and did not specify the duration of the last call for the proposals going to the last call.<br>
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Furthermore, which documents are to be discussed at this unspecified last call? <br>
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Why this rush? This abuse of the PDP must stop.<br>
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During the AFRINIC-32 PPM which was held last week, the proceedings and decisions made by cochairs, raised many concerns. Below are some of them.<br>
The video of the meeting is publicly available.<br>
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<b>Concern-1 objections management<br>
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cochairs chose some objections raised and even not-raised, did not say why comments and explanations provided by authors and the participants on the raised and discussed issues were unsatisfactory.
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⁃ Abuse contact proposal<br>
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The valid and unresolved objections according to co-chairs decisions were:<br>
• Definition of abuse<br>
• GDPR compliance <br>
• Impact of legacy resources<br>
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⁃ RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Spaces <br>
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The valid and unresolved objections according to cochairs were:<br>
• AS0 ROA validity<br>
• Certain fear in the community that this proposal may help staff reclaim resources if members failed to pay membership fees.<br>
• Lack of a certain mitigation provision APNIC has in their policy<br>
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-WG guidelines and procedures<br>
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The valid and unresolved objections according to cochairs were:<br>
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• the proposed appointment of cochairs by consensus will create more problems for this community.
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• Cochairs should not have hands in consensus <br>
• also Board interference.<br>
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⁃ Inter-RIR transfer proposals <br>
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• one is far from reaching consensus as incompatible with ARIN as per staff.<br>
• The other 2 are closer</div>
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Concern-2 fairness in the proceeding <br>
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• When rendering their decisions and contrary to what was announced, Cochairs did not question all authors of transfer policy proposals showing bias<br>
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• Staff’s demand to the WG to allow them to request official compatibility analysis on each of the proposals from other RIRs was denied
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• Authors were not even given chance to respond to the point with ARIN <br>
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<b>Concern-3 unilateral decisions by cochairs<br>
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• cochairs decided that Afrinic service region need an inter-RIR transfer policy as matter as urgency and can’t wait anymore
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• Cochairs decided that among the 3 proposals, the one which aims to establish an efficient and business-friendly mechanism to allow a number of resources to be transferred from/to other regions, should be pushed forward
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• Cochairs refused to consider the issues and the implementation challenges raised by the staff impact assessment on proposal<br>
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• Cochairs decided on which amendments should be made to the selected proposal for it to move forward.<br>
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1- Add 12 months delay for a source to be eligible to receive allocation from AFRINIC<br>
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2- Remove clause for legacy status after transfer <br>
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3-Fix clarity on notifications to the other RIRs after the transfer<br>
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It is obvious that 1) contradicts both problem statement and solution of the proposal preferred by cochairs.<br>
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Cochairs appear to be deciding and injecting new issues not previously mentioned in working group. Not following due process of hearing authors and the hurry to decide for working group is unacceptable. The cochairs report must rather provide an open issues
list of outstanding issues for working group to deliberate on. There had been no attempt by cochairs to gauge consensus throughout the meeting. <br>
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In the view of all these violations of the PDP, I urge you to reconsider all decisions made during the last PPM and give chance to the WG to appropriately address the open issues and come to the best conclusions for the region.<br>
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Gregoire Ehoumi ( on behalf of the authors of WG guidelines and procedures and AFRINIC Number Ressources transfer proposals)</div>
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<div>From: ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
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<div>Date: 2020-09-20 8:06 p.m. (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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<div>Subject: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC 32)
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<span lang="EN-PH">Dear PDWG Members,</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> Please find below a summary for each of the proposal discussed during the just concluded online policy meeting of AFRINIC 32 </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">1.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Simple PDP Update </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">This policy defines consensus. It also proposes that a policy discussed at the PPM does not need to come back for another PPM for the Co-chairs to arrive at a decision. This can help in streamlining the work during the PPM and encourages
people to use the mailing list. </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">There were lots of irrelevant objections on the mailing list such as someone registering many emails. We believe that this does not matter because rough consensus is not about numbers but quality objections.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">However, there is strong opposition to this policy based on the following:
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Oppose the policy because of the way the consensus is reached. This proposal proposes that the consensus be reached through a balance of the mailing list/forum and not at the PPM. This endangers fair consensus and hijacks the
policymaking process. Based on experience, it is during the PPM that most community members focus on policies.
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Issues around how the chairs should drop proposals.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Trust in the mailing list: Some strongly believe that anonymous contribution should be allowed while some believes it should not.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Issues around having more than 1 PPM per year and Online PPM because of volunteer burnout. We are all volunteers and it’s a night job for us. More PPMs mean more time to volunteer and more chances for burnouts
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Some members of the Community thinks only burning or polarizing issues should be brought to the PPM.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No Consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">This proposal aims at allowing most of the decisions including chair elections to be determined via consensus. This can be reasonable when the community has the same goal. However, there were a number of objections to it. These are:</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Entrusting the WG to make their decisions by consensus and the appointment of their co-chairs by consensus do not make sense and is only utopic.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">People are not policy proposals, and thus choosing by consensus is splitting hairs with the election process we already have. Save the consensus for the proposals, and the election for people.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Consensus may even take months, and this can’t fly when we want to put people in the vacant roles.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Co-chairs should not have a hand in the consensus, but only sit back and let the community decide for themselves. Additionally, the consensus process is not feasible with a deadline.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Focus on polishing the current electoral process instead of complicating other untested forms of “election”.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">The current status quo’s election should be the only option in choosing for the roles, and not through less transparent means.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Board would be interfering too much on issues that deal with PDP</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No Consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">This proposal aims at introducing an online voting system for the Co-Chairs election. The following are the opposition to this proposal.
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">This policy reduces participation. Equal representation is violated because the board has unprecedented power.
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">There is also not enough information on the logistics of the vote (e-voting).</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">There is a contradiction <strike>on </strike>when the term ends during the meeting. “The term ends during the first PPM corresponding to the end of the term for which they were appointed” is not clear enough, and “A term may
begin or end no sooner than the first day of the PPM and no later than the last day of the PPM as determined by mutual agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair” contradicts each other.</span></p>
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Gender restriction on 3.3.1.3 , some community members argue it is impractical and maybe even unfair if we force both chairs to have different genders.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No Consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">This proposal aims at clarifying how the board and the PDWG works. However, there were a few oppositions to this proposal except for a specific section.
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</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Opposition to the section below</span></p>
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<i><span lang="EN-PH">“As an exception of the preceding paragraph, in the absence of elections processes for aspects related to the PDP (co-chairs, appeal committee), those aspects will be still handled by the board in consultation with the community. However,
this is also a temporary measure and also specific draft policy proposals should be introduced for that</span></i><span lang="EN-PH">”. The authors agreed to remove the above section hence</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">The policy proposal seeks to provide a framework or a policy compliance dashboard be developed by AFRINIC and incorporated in myAFRINIC (and future member’s communication platforms). It will allow a periodic review of the policy compliance
status of each member. It will also enable members to receive automated notifications for any issue. Staff will receive repeated warnings of lack of compliance or severe violations enshrined in the CPM. However, there are several oppositions to this proposal,
such as:</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">This policy seems to be redundant of the status quo as violations are already checked and processed by the human staff.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">There is already an existing system of guidelines on keeping track of the violations of members.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">c.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">The policy is not binding and does not enforce members actually to follow the rules and not violate policies.
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">d.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Ignorance could be a convenient excuse for violations because one could claim that they never got notified about their violations.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">e.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">There is no comprehensive system on how the board should take proper actions once members violate policies, nor does it give guidelines based on the severity of the violations.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">f.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">This policy takes away resources that could be used for more beneficial pursuits to AFRINIC for something existing in the system.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">g.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">It an administrative process, and this should be left to staff</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: NO rough Consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">6.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Abuse Contact Update </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">The proposal makes it mandatory for AFRINIC to include in each resource registration, a contact where network abuse from users of those resources will be reported. The proposal whois DB attribute (abuse-c) to be used to publish abuse public
contact information. There’s also a process to ensure that the recipient must receive abuse report and that contacts are validated by AFRINIC regularly. However, there some opposition to the proposal there are:</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Staff analysis on how it affects legacy holder not conclusive (not sure why this should affect legacy holders)
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">The proposal doesn’t state what will be the consequences of one member fails to comply. Why are we creating the abuse contact when there is no consequence for not providing the abuse contact
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">c.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Abuse contact email and issues with GDPR concerning the whois database</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">d.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">No proper definition of the term Abuse</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">e.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">To force members to reply to their abuse email is not in the scope of AFRINIC.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No rough consensus </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">7.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">The proposal instructs AFRINIC to create ROAs for all unallocated and unassigned address space under its control. This will enable networks performing RPKI-based BGP Origin Validation to easily reject all the bogon announcements covering
resources managed by AFRINIC. However, there are many oppositions such as: </span>
</p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Allowing resource holders to create AS0/ ROA will lead to an increase of even more invalid prefixes in the routing table.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Revocation time of AS0 state, and the time for new allocation doesn’t match.
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">c.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Other RIRs don’t have a similar the policy therefore, it can not be effective</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">d.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">This will become a uniform policy if it is not globally implemented, which causes additional stress.
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">e.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Validity period: if members decide to implement it, is it not better to recover the space if it is kept unused for too long?</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">f.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">How do we revoke the ROA? How long does it take to revoke it (chain/ refreshing )?</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">g.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">What happens if AFRINIC accidentally issues a ROA for an address in error?</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">h.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">It also might affect the neighbours and involves monitoring of unallocated spaces.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">i.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Possibility of it being used against a member who is yet to pay dues.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Suggestions were made to improve the policy such as </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">a)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">The automatic creation of AS0 ROAs should be limited to space that has never been allocated by an RIR or part of a legacy allocation.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">AFRINIC should require the explicit consent of the previous holder to issue AS0 ROAs in respect of re-claimed, returned, etc, space.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">c)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Any ROAs issued under this policy should be issued and published in a way that makes it operationally easy for a relying party to ignore them (probably by issuing under a separate TA).</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">d)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">The proposal should include the clause “as used in APNIC as to dues not paid on time.”</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">8.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope)</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">The proposal puts in place a mechanism to transfer IPv4 and (some ASN) resources between AFRINIC and other RIRs and between AFRINIC members/entities. Some conditions are attached to the source and recipient based on need and disclosure made.
The inter-RIR transfers will be suspended if the number of outgoing IPv4 addresses exceeds the incoming ones for six consecutive months. However, there are oppositions to it</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">ASN Transfer is not necessary</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Issue of board inferring: no board in all of the five RIRs have ever been involved in deciding a transfer or allocating IP address. It is not the board's responsibility.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">c.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Suspending clause with no reinstalling clause. This mainly makes the policy potentially invalid.
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No consensus.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">9.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">AFRINIC Number Resource Transfer</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.25in; line-height:107%; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Not realistic for one-way inter RIR resource transfer as it has to be reciprocal. One way would never happen as only global resources can come in and go out
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">It would be difficult for the recipient to follow the rules of AFRINIC if they are not in the African region.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.25in; line-height:107%; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-PH">c.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">No need for ASN transfer. If one is moving regions and doesn't have an ASN in the new region, it can request and receive from the local RIRs</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">d.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Additional attributes create none-operational complexity in the whois database.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: No consensus.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">10.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Resource Transfer Policy</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">This proposal aims to introduce Inter RIR transfer. However, it has the following opposition
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Issues with Legacy holder transfer is potentially considered none-reciprocal by ARIN</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">Potential abuse of AFRINIC free pool without the time limit of receiving an allocation from AFRINIC.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: The proposal is the least contested of all the 3 competing proposals. However because of the community’s desire and clear expression for the need for an Inter RIR transfer, we, the Co-chairs, believe that in the interest
of the community we should focus on a proposal rather than several similar ones. This desire was clearly expressed at the AFRINIC 31 meeting in Angola. Therefore, We suggest that the authors of this proposal make the following amendments:
</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH" style="font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.3.2 Source entities are not eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for 12 months period after the transfer.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH" style="font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.4.3. Transferred legacy resources will still be regarded as legacy resources.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Chairs Decision: Provided that the above are amended, the decisions is Rough Consensus is achieved </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH"> </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Based on the above, The updated version of the follow proposal which achieved rough consensus would be posted on the PDWG website
</span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-PH">1.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-weight:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></b><b><span lang="EN-PH">Board Prerogatives </span></b></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-PH">2.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal; font-variant-east-asian:normal; font-weight:normal; font-stretch:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></b><b><span lang="EN-PH">Resource Transfer Policy</span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-PH">Therefore, these two policies are now on last call. </span></p>
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