<div dir="auto">+1 @Fernando</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 21 sept. 2020 à 15:24, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hello Abdulkarim</p>
<p>So you are taking in consideration something that one mentioned
in a single day opportunity over what has been discussed for
months in the list for for a much larger number of people who
contributed to it ? You are considering what has been discussed in
the PPM as final and as something that has to be adjusted in the
proposal because of that single day discussion ?</p>
<p>I am not saying by that that you should not consider or consider
less what has been discussed in the PPM, but <b>at minimum</b>
this discussion <b>must happen also in this RPD list</b> to find
out if this is really a consensus and clearly it doesn't seem to
be as there are multiple people who don't agree with it. Actually
this is a *very controversial point* that may cause more issues
than the historical holding of unused resources by the legacy
holders may cause.</p>
<p>Even if you Co-Chairs consider it's good, your personal view can
not be a decision factor for that to be considered rough
consensus.</p>
<p>If this point is automatically considered rough consensus in this
way, without proper discussion with others that did not have the
opportunity to participate on the PPM we will certainly appeal
from this decision which is dismissing many other people who may
not agree and have plenty of reasons for that.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21, 2020 7:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fernando Frediani <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd List <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy
proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC
32)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Fernando,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It was mentioned durring the PPM.
Please watch the recordings.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:19 AM
Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">10.
Resource
Transfer
Policy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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proposal aims
to introduce
Inter RIR
transfer.
However, it
has the
following
opposition </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">a.
Issues with
Legacy holder
transfer is
potentially
considered
none-reciprocal
by ARIN</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:1.25in;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">b.
Potential
abuse of
AFRINIC free
pool without
the time limit
of receiving
an allocation
from AFRINIC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Decision: The
proposal is
the least
contested of
all the 3
competing
proposals.
However
because of the
community’s
desire and
clear
expression for
the need for
an Inter RIR
transfer, we,
the Co-chairs,
believe that
in the
interest of
the community
we should
focus on a
proposal
rather than
several
similar ones.
This desire
was clearly
expressed at
the AFRINIC 31
meeting in
Angola.
Therefore, We
suggest that
the authors of
this proposal
make the
following
amendments: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-PH">· </span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.3.2
Source
entities are
not eligible
to receive
further IPv4
allocations or
assignments
from AFRINIC
for 12 months
period after
the transfer.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:106%"><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-PH">· </span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.4.3.
Transferred
legacy
resources will
still be
regarded as
legacy
resources.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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I don't remember during the discussion of this proposal
someone making a point for legacy resources once
transferred to remain with legacy status. It doesn't
make sense at all.<br>
In all RIRs I know any legacy resources once transferred
looses the legacy status and that makes <b>a lot of
sense</b> in order to end up with a historical
distortion to the system and favor resources end up on
organizations who really justify for them now a days.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Can the Co-Chairs point in which part of the discussion
of this proposal this claim was made in order to
consider that a rough consensus ? I have searched in the
RPD Archives on the content of this discussion for
months and couldn't find any mention to this point.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks<br>
Fernando<u></u><u></u></p>
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Provided that
the above are
amended, the
decisions is
Rough
Consensus is
achieved
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">Based on
the above, The
updated
version of the
follow
proposal which
achieved rough
consensus
would be
posted on the
PDWG website </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-PH">1.
Board
Prerogatives </span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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Resource
Transfer
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these two
policies are
now on last
call. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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