<div dir="auto">+1 @Fernando</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 21 sept. 2020 à 15:24, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Hello Abdulkarim</p>
    <p>So you are taking in consideration something that one mentioned
      in a single day opportunity over what has been discussed for
      months in the list for for a much larger number of people who
      contributed to it ? You are considering what has been discussed in
      the PPM as final and as something that has to be adjusted in the
      proposal because of that single day discussion ?</p>
    <p>I am not saying by that that you should not consider or consider
      less what has been discussed in the PPM, but <b>at minimum</b>
      this discussion <b>must happen also in this RPD list</b> to find
      out if this is really a consensus and clearly it doesn't seem to
      be as there are multiple people who don't agree with it. Actually
      this is a *very controversial point* that may cause more issues
      than the historical holding of unused resources by the legacy
      holders may cause.</p>
    <p>Even if you Co-Chairs consider it's good, your personal view can
      not be a decision factor for that to be considered rough
      consensus.</p>
    <p>If this point is automatically considered rough consensus in this
      way, without proper discussion with others that did not have the
      opportunity to participate on the PPM we will certainly appeal
      from this decision which is dismissing many other people who may
      not agree and have plenty of reasons for that.</p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
          <a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng></a> <br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21, 2020 7:43 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Fernando Frediani <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> rpd List <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy
          proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC
          32)<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Fernando,<u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">It was mentioned durring the PPM.
              Please watch the recordings.<u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks <u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Co-Chair<u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:19 AM
              Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2020 21:04, ABDULKARIM
                  OLOYEDE wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                      <p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">10.  
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                                                          Transfer
                                                          Policy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">This
                                                          proposal aims
                                                          to introduce
                                                          Inter RIR
                                                          transfer.
                                                          However, it
                                                          has the
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                                                          opposition </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                      <p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">a.                  
                                                          Issues with
                                                          Legacy holder
                                                          transfer is
                                                          potentially
                                                          considered
                                                          none-reciprocal
                                                          by ARIN</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                      <p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:1.25in;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">b.                 
                                                          Potential
                                                          abuse of
                                                          AFRINIC free
                                                          pool without
                                                          the time limit
                                                          of receiving
                                                          an allocation
                                                          from AFRINIC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">Chairs
                                                          Decision: The
                                                          proposal is
                                                          the least
                                                          contested of
                                                          all the 3
                                                          competing
                                                          proposals.
                                                          However
                                                          because of the
                                                          community’s
                                                          desire and
                                                          clear
                                                          expression for
                                                          the  need for
                                                          an Inter RIR
                                                          transfer, we,
                                                          the Co-chairs,
                                                          believe that
                                                          in the
                                                          interest of
                                                          the community
                                                          we should
                                                          focus on a
                                                          proposal
                                                          rather than
                                                          several
                                                          similar ones.
                                                          This desire
                                                          was clearly
                                                          expressed at
                                                          the AFRINIC 31
                                                          meeting in
                                                          Angola.
                                                          Therefore, We
                                                          suggest that
                                                          the authors of
                                                          this proposal
                                                          make the
                                                          following
                                                          amendments: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                      <p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-PH">·         </span><span lang="EN-PH">5.7.3.2 
                                                          Source
                                                          entities are
                                                          not eligible
                                                          to receive
                                                          further IPv4
                                                          allocations or
                                                          assignments
                                                          from AFRINIC
                                                          for 12 months
                                                          period after
                                                          the transfer.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          Transferred
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources will
                                                          still be
                                                          regarded as
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                I don't remember during the discussion of this proposal
                someone making a point for legacy resources once
                transferred to remain with legacy status. It doesn't
                make sense at all.<br>
                In all RIRs I know any legacy resources once transferred
                looses the legacy status and that makes <b>a lot of
                  sense</b> in order to end up with a historical
                distortion to the system and favor resources end up on
                organizations who really justify for them now a days.<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p>Can the Co-Chairs point in which part of the discussion
                of this proposal this claim was made in order to
                consider that a rough consensus ? I have searched in the
                RPD Archives on the content of this discussion for
                months and couldn't find any mention to this point.<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p>Thanks<br>
                Fernando<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          Decision:
                                                          Provided that
                                                          the above are
                                                          amended, the
                                                          decisions is
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                                                          the above, The
                                                          updated
                                                          version of the
                                                          follow
                                                          proposal which
                                                          achieved rough
                                                          consensus
                                                          would be
                                                          posted on the
                                                          PDWG website </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-PH">Therefore,
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