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<p>The RIR's community defines the rules under which resources are
distributed to members and must be used. It also defines the
conditions these resources may be revoked. Example: there are RIRs
that stipulates you must use most of the resources within the
region.</p>
<p>The resources once allocated don't belong to the organization. If
it uses it against the current rules defined by community they may
be revoked.<br>
And the community may understand those who decide to constantly
use these resources to damage other business and the internet as a
whole may have their resources revoked too.</p>
<p>Let's leave the political correctness behind of 'unlimited
freedoom' once organizations receive their allocations they may do
whatever they like with it without any ever possible sanctions.<br>
IP space is intended to make the internet a great place and to get
people connected to it, so there must be bounds for that and rules
the apply.<br>
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<p>One of which is what this proposal intends: any organization must
have a valid email address and be reachable by the RIR whenever
needed.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/09/2020 12:19, Chloe Kung wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Fernando,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is not in RIR's position to judge who is
bad netizen, it is up to networks to judge for themselves,
they can block the entire network that behave badly from their
point of view if they want, but not have AFRINIC to tell them
that, and that is exactly what Lamiaa trying to say here, I
think she is right, you are very mixed up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 19:48<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">"rpd@afrinic.net"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Every day I get surprised with the amount of effort people
put into not making something instead of making something that
works for a collaborative place that must be the Internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>AfriNic PDP defines the rules resources are registered in its
whois database and it may wish to choose not to register
anymore bad netizens which may be using the resources it
received from the RIR in a bad manner making the Internet a
worst place.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2020/09/22 10:32, Lamiaa Chnayti
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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course I can choose NOT TO REPLY, this
is my network, and I decide how I want
to run it. Everyday I ignore tons of
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to a folder called spam, and it is
entirely up to me to decide IN MY
NETWORK what I consider spam. I
think you fundamentally mix up the
concept of "management of IP address
registration" with "management of
network". AFRINIC only has a mandate
to manage registration of IP
numbers, it does not have the
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<p>No. I suspect Jordi knows a fair amount of the
difference. More so than most.<o:p></o:p></p>
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or mandate to manage networks. And
once you get that, you will also
understand why your dashboard
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<p>Nobody is asking Afrinic to manage any networks. We're
asking them to help those of that want to be good netizens
to enable us to do that, by ensuring that contact can be
made with other networks for the purposes of resolving abuse
related problems. My experience says that usually these
disputes are between customers of ISPs but they insist that
the ISPs should do something about it. So short of me
dropping your entire set of prefixes, I'd prefer to be able
to make contact with you in order to look for a resolution.
Personally, I'm not worried about screaming insults and the
like, those or nitty gritty issues people should sort out
themselves, but what happens if a customer of yours is
actively trying to hack on of mine? Or the other way
around? Would you prefer we all just drop each other's
routes and never actually resolve anything?<o:p></o:p></p>
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your hijacking as policy violation,
your over-intrusive management clause
in abuse-c get pushed back very hard
in RIPE. Hands off my network, as
Randy Bush famously said.
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<p>I am sorry, in my opinion you're out of line here, that is
bordering on a personal attack on Jordi, we're all trying to
make this Internet a better place. As is Jordi. Whilst I
do not agree with him on everything, what is it to you have
a single email address that people can mail you on?
Honestly, nobody said you're not allowed to filter spam on
that. Again, you choose what is spam and not. We're asking
you to be responsible. Basically by saying you refuse to
publish an abuse contact you're effectively being an elitist
stating that your network is so perfect that there is no
reason anyone would ever need to contact you in an attempt
to resolve a (probably) legitimate issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>My response to that would be: So why should I route your
traffic? Why shouldn't I just outright reject all your
prefixes?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>By enabling networks to contact each other via an abuse
contact it enables all of us to communicate better, towards
sorting out real issues. If you don't want to be part of
the solution, my personal opinion is that you should not
form part of the internet. My opinion is that by making
abuse related contact more reliable we're improving the
overall networking landscape. You're still welcome to
ignore contact you don't consider legitimate. But know that
that leaves us few options if you do ignore a legitimate
issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#151515">And why on
earth does a network have to give
AFRINIC their confidential data?
Networks have already
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need during the application process
and done correct registration of
their numbers, and they are done
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<p>No one is asking for confidential data. We're asking for a
contact where we can make contact with you in a case where
of my customers and one of yours have issues with each
other, in order to get problems / issues / disputes /
whatever resolved amicably instead of via lawyers, so by all
means, if you prefer me first suing Afrinic for your contact
details, and then suing you for damages + costs ... guess we
can go that route too.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Alternatively I can file abuse complaints against you with
your transit providers and if they agree with me, it's not
just one or two of your customers that's going to face
difficulty, it's going to be all of them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Either way, with an attitude like yours I'm fairly certain
not many people will think twice about dropping your
prefixes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">As for my
perspective, it is really simple, for
the good of the internet and for the
future of this region, we are not
making policies for individual
networks, but rather policies
impacting billions of people's
internet access, and it needs to be
abundantly clear on what we can do and
what is not for us to decide. Yes, you
are right, all networks should be run
responsively, just like all your
neighbors shouldn't play loud music
after 10pm, but that doesn't mean you
can force your local church to arrest
them and ban them from Sunday service.
Same with abuse, if a network is
running abusively, police will find
them and shut them down--again, not
AFRINIC's business.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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you're right. This policy is for improving the internet for
billions of people, by enabling networks to contact each
other to resolve abuse related issues such that the internet
can remain an open and friendly place by eliminating the
problems. An abuse contact allows us to achieve exactly
that. Without it, no one is going to contact you regarding
individual customers of yours, enabling you to take action
against your individual customers, or to work with your
customers to resolve problems, they're going to track down
your transit providers, and they're going to get your entire
network isolated and de-routed. You leave them no other
choices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Regards,<br>
Jaco</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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cooperation, I don’t think you can choose “not
to reply”. You can choose “not to consider it an
abuse”, but not reply at all, in my opinion,
will be against the correct management of the
resources, which you’re bound as an AFRINIC
member. You can choose to no reply to victims if
they insist in something that you told them is
not an abuse, that’s fine, but you must reply to
AFRINIC for the validation of any data, whois,
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">8.3 and 8.4 are
making sure that you respond to an abuse
case, *<b>not</b>* that you *<b>recognize</b>*
it as an abuse. It is your choice to
tell the “victim ISP”, look for me this
is not an abuse, so I will not do
anything about it.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">AFRINIC can’t
verify this automatically, because it
doesn’t make sense that AFRINIC is
“sending” fake abuse reports to see if
they get a response.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">AFRINIC can
only send an email for the validation of
the mailbox. It is an existing mailbox?
I’m getting a response (for example,
have they, once I send the validation
email, clicked the link or went into
MyAfrinic to input the validation
code?).</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">8.4 also states
the timing for the validation.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">8.5 is the
validation itself, so I guess, according
to your response, that you’re ok with
this specific point. If we don’t have
it, AFRINIC can’t do a periodic
validation.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">8.6. is making
sure that you don’t try to fake the
validation. For instance, you could
respond only to AFRINIC validations and
then discard all the other emails. If we
don’t have that, the policy may become
useless. Note also that in fact, if you
follow the RSA, *<b>anyone</b>* could
escalate *<b>any</b>* lack of CPM
compliance. So this is making sure that
the policy text is honest and
transparent.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Or do you
prefer to be filtered because you don’t
respond?</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Clearly this
proposal is not asking AFRINIC to be a
police. Is only making sure that the
parties *<b>can talk</b>*. Again:
AFRINIC will not be involved in “how you
handle the case”, but I least you should
be able to be contacted and respond.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">See this
example:</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If
AK or Moses customers are sending me
spam, or trying to intrude my network,
and they have abuse contacts, I will be
able to complain to them. Then we have
two cases:</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.8pt"><span
style="color:black">1.</span> <span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Moses
responds to me and say “you’re right,
this is against our AUP” (is irrelevant
what the law in Moses country say, it is
the contract with customers what says
what is allowed or not). Let’s fix it. I
will warn the customer, and if they
don’t stop, we will filter their email
port, or even cancel the contract (just
examples, only Moses can decide what
they do).</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.8pt"><span
style="color:black">2.</span> <span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AK
instead doesn’t care, or the mailbox is
full or bouncing emails or respond
“sorry in our network we allow that”.
Then I can take my own decision, filter
only that IP address, or the complete AK
network. I can even see if this is
allowed in his country and take legal
actions (which usually you don’t do
because is costly and more of the
regulations don’t know “anything” about
abuse or even Internet!).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">AFRINIC will
not take any measure if AK decides that
is not an abuse. It is our problem not
AFRINIC problem. However, if the email
is bouncing, AFRINIC will revalidate the
abuse-c and make sure that it works.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Is
like a phone book. You have there the
phones and they must be correct, or you
need to update them every “n” months.
The phone book doesn’t tell the purpose
of each phone. If you don’t want to
accept calls related to “ordering
pizzas”, you tell the caller “this
number is not for that”, but at least
you must pick up the phone otherwise,
you don’t know if it is somebody calling
by error or someone that you really want
to talk. And this is true for *<b>every</b>*
whois contact.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Can you let us
know how do you handle it in the
networks that you operate?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt">
<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt">
<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt">
<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">El 21/9/20 10:00, "Lamiaa
Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">Hi Fernando, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">I think you are very
confused. I never said I have a
problem with people completing their
registration. Keep
registration---having an abuse contact
Email in the whois, just like tech
contact or admin contact--I am
perfectly fine with it, and I think
the current policy achieves 99% it, if
you want to add this contact as
mandatory field I am fine with it as
well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> But the problem of this
policy in 8.3-8.6, is that it requires
AFRINIC to monitor the members HOW to
manage their abuse mailbox down to the
subject line, and that is out of the
scope of AFRINIC, just read my last
email with logic in mind and you will
understand. I suggest this policy
should be very simple, adding one
line to the current policy-- abuse
contact is mandatory, and it's done,
everything else should be deleted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">And again, you are trying to
use AFRINIC for something that is not
in its scope, how someone manages
their mailbox is not in the scope of
AFRINIC, it is like you go to your
local church to ask them to arrest
your neighbour who plays loud music at
night when you should go to police
instead. Same thing for someone
running an abusive network, as many
already stated, it is up to a local
Jury to decide if it is simply at an
annoying level or a criminal offense,
but either way please do go to your
local police to report it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">As for the internet, we
never tell you how to behave--you are
entirely at your rights in the
internet to behave abusively, but it
is also entirely in everyone's rights
to block you, that's how
de-centralizing works, no central
governing, everyone plays nice because
that's the only way for everyone else
to play with you, and this policy here
asks AFRINIC to act like a central
government even down to manage
people's mailbox's subject line and
that is way beyond what internet meant
to be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">Lamiaa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">Le dim. 20 sept. 2020 à
23:42, Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES"><br>
<br>
On 19/09/2020 13:19, Lamiaa
Chnayti wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<span
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lang="ES"><clip></span><span
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</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:70.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">How is it in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how I manage my abuse mailbox? If I want to reply only to a specific subject line of my abuse box, it is entirely in my right to do. Even if I don't want to reply at the abuse mailbox at all, that is my right to do so and if I think no action in my network would be considered abuse (although unlikely), but it is still from the internet community point of view, entirely in my right to do so. You might choose to block me as a network, but that is also your right. </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">It is not in the scope
of any RIR how anyone manage
people's<br>
<br>
mailboxes.<br>
<br>
<br>
Nobody exists alone in the
Internet. If an organization<br>
<br>
hypothetically doesn't care at
all and refuses to respond to
abuse<br>
<br>
emails it probably should
re-think its existence in the
Internet<br>
<br>
business.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES">The Internet is what
is among many reasons because of
the<br>
<br>
cooperation among its
organizations, and there are
certain rules<br>
<br>
that are agreed cooperatively
and must be observed by everyone<br>
<br>
willing remain on it, otherwise
it may in many cases cause
serious<br>
<br>
damage to those willing to
operate in serious manner and
keep it a<br>
<br>
healthy place to most people who
depend on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="ES">This forum is about
setting rules on how
registration information<br>
<br>
about resources are kept and it
may be of the wish of the<br>
<br>
community to refuse keep
registration for those who
repetitively<br>
<br>
abuse of their individual
rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES">Le ven. 18
sept. 2020 à 09:23,<br>
<br>
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Lamiaa,</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">I don’t agree. Internet doesn't depend on<br>
<br>
any jurisdiction;
abuse is about what I
(the victim<br>
<br>
operator) consider
abuse. The RFC is
clear about that,<br>
<br>
in short
“Inappropriate public
behaviour” (is a<br>
<br>
mailbox so to be able
to contact in case
there is a<br>
<br>
possible inappropriate
behaviour in the
public<br>
<br>
Internet). If you want
a clearer definition,
abuse is<br>
<br>
*<b>anything</b>* that
I don’t want to accept
in my<br>
<br>
network because is in
any way damaging it.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt">If I don’t want to accept a DoS, or spam,<br>
<br>
or phising, DMCA, or
whatever, this is
abuse *<b>for<br>
<br>
me</b>*. I’ve the
right to tell you
because that<br>
<br>
abuse is coming from
your network. If you
believe that<br>
<br>
is not abuse (and here
is your jurisdiction
in some<br>
<br>
cases, in other just
doesn’t exist, but it
may be also<br>
<br>
your “business”
decision – like
operators that don’t<br>
<br>
care if their
customers do spam or
intrusion<br>
<br>
attempts), you’ve the
right to tell me
“sorry, this is<br>
<br>
not abuse for us”, and
then I’ve the right to
decide<br>
<br>
if I should filter
your network based on
your<br>
<br>
response.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt">Not having an abuse contact, means that<br>
<br>
I’m not able to
contact you, so we
can’t talk, we<br>
<br>
can’t investigate or
agree if it is an
abuse or not,<br>
<br>
so you (the offender
operator) don’t have
the chance<br>
<br>
to decide about it! Is
bad for you, is bad
for me. In<br>
<br>
those cases, my best
choice is to filter
you. This<br>
<br>
create problems for
your customers and my
customers.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">We can’t depend on jurisdictions, because<br>
<br>
then the policy will
need to consider
inter-relations<br>
<br>
among every possible
“pairs” of country
worlds, and we<br>
<br>
will need to update
the policy based on
any<br>
<br>
jurisdiction change.
The policy is not
about that, is<br>
<br>
about having a valid
responsible contact,
not about<br>
<br>
deciding what is an
abuse, which is among
the two<br>
<br>
parties.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">Tell me what is different from AFRINIC<br>
<br>
than the rest of the
world, because none of
the RIRs<br>
<br>
have defined abuse in
their policies. I even
don’t<br>
<br>
recall that having
appeared in the
discussions!</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If<br>
<br>
you want, I’m happy
to change the title
of the<br>
<br>
proposal to
“supposed abuse
contact”, that may
be<br>
<br>
clearing your point?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Again,<br>
<br>
this is not about
defining what is
abuse, this is<br>
<br>
among the parties.
It is about making
sure that<br>
<br>
there is a valid
responsible contact
in case of<br>
<br>
anyone needs to
report what he
considers an abuse.<br>
<br>
AFRINIC will not
punish anyone that
believes that<br>
<br>
his customer is not
doing an abuse
because in his<br>
<br>
country is not an
abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="ES">El<br>
<br>
18/9/20 9:59,
"Lamiaa Chnayti"
<<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES">Hello<br>
<br>
Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES">RFC2142<br>
<br>
only defines a
tiny portion of
the network abuse.
In<br>
<br>
real world
operation, abuse
consists of a
much<br>
<br>
boarder range :
DMCA(copy rights)
claims,<br>
<br>
unsolicited emails
, phishing
websites , trade
mark<br>
<br>
disputes etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
lang="ES">All<br>
<br>
those are legal
issues that vary
vastly across<br>
<br>
different
juridictions in
which no one but
each of<br>
<br>
the juridiction’s
judges can decide
if it is an<br>
<br>
abuse or an
illegal activity.
Claiming that
RFC2142<br>
<br>
defines not even
1% of real world
abuse is<br>
<br>
laughable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES">Lamiaa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES">Le jeu.<br>
<br>
17 sept. 2020
à 15:51, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ
via<br>
<br>
RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">Hi<br>
<br>
Lamiaa,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">I’ve<br>
<br>
said this
already. This
policy doesn’t<br>
<br>
enforce abuse,
it enforces
that the abuse<br>
<br>
contact is
there, and
works.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Today<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is
paying for the
cost of the<br>
<br>
abuse handling
because only a
tiny<br>
<br>
fraction of
the members
has the abuse<br>
<br>
contacts in
place.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">If<br>
<br>
the contacts
in the RIR
database
aren’t<br>
<br>
actual and
accurate, this
is a clear<br>
<br>
violation of
the RSA. So
what is<br>
<br>
unacceptable
is not having
the contacts,<br>
<br>
not on the
other way
around.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">Abuse<br>
<br>
is not defined
by the RIRs,
everybody<br>
<br>
knows it and
this is the
reason why
NONE<br>
<br>
of the RIRs
have
re-defined it,
because it<br>
<br>
is already
stated in
RFC2142. Can
you<br>
<br>
justify why
AFRINIC is
different and
need<br>
<br>
a definition?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">How<br>
<br>
you define it
in the
networks that
you<br>
<br>
operate?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<span
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17/9/20<br>
<br>
10:49, "Lamiaa
Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<br>
will have to
agree with
Lucilla on
what<br>
<br>
she said and
would like to
add to it<br>
<br>
that :</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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lang="ES">Firstly,
Abuse<br>
<br>
enforcement is
out of scope
for RIRs.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES">Secondly,
RIRs<br>
<br>
have no
ability to
define what is<br>
<br>
“abuse”, one
abuse or even
criminal<br>
<br>
activity could
be entirely a
legal<br>
<br>
operation in a
different
jurisdiction.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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lang="ES">Finally,
making<br>
<br>
a member
forcefully
reply to abuse<br>
<br>
contact Emails
are a waste of
resources<br>
<br>
and totally
pointless, it
is entirely up<br>
<br>
to the member
to define what
they think<br>
<br>
is acceptable
in their
network
operation<br>
<br>
and how they
react to it.
AFRINIC has no<br>
<br>
mandate to
force any
member to
reply to<br>
<br>
an “abuse”,
since AFRINIC
doesn’t even<br>
<br>
have the
ability to
identify what
is<br>
<br>
considered an
abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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lang="ES">Therefore
the<br>
<br>
entire policy
is out of
scope for the<br>
<br>
RIR operation.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<span
lang="ES">Le jeu.
17<br>
<br>
sept. 2020
à 07:42, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ<br>
<br>
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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Lucilla,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">Today
we already
have<br>
<br>
mnt-IRT, and
everybody who
operate<br>
<br>
networks
understand
what it is an<br>
<br>
abuse. If you
operate
networks you<br>
<br>
know that *<b>anything</b>*
which<br>
<br>
is a
non-authorized
use of a<br>
<br>
network is an
abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">If
you send spam,<br>
<br>
attack
networks, try
to intrude<br>
<br>
networks,
etc., all
those are<br>
<br>
abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">What
the policy ask<br>
<br>
is to make
sure that in
AFRINIC<br>
<br>
everybody has
an abuse
contact<br>
<br>
(today we have
mnt-IRT, but
is not<br>
<br>
mandatory, and
as a results
many<br>
<br>
African
networks are
filtered<br>
<br>
because lack
of that – and<br>
<br>
consequently
they do not
respond<br>
<br>
to abuse cases
-, which exist
in<br>
<br>
all the other
regions of the<br>
<br>
world).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">Not
having an
abuse<br>
<br>
means more
chances of
legal<br>
<br>
actions, more
cost, for both
the<br>
<br>
victims and
the ISPs.
Having<br>
<br>
that means
that you have
more<br>
<br>
chances to
resolve it in<br>
<br>
goodfaith.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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of the *<b>most<br>
<br>
important</b>*
Afrinic<br>
<br>
missions is to
have accuracy
on<br>
<br>
the database,
which includes<br>
<br>
accuracy on
the contacts.
We are<br>
<br>
not fulfilling
that in this<br>
<br>
situation.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">Remember
that *<b>all</b>*<br>
<br>
the other RIRs
have already
this<br>
<br>
kind of
policy. This
one is like<br>
<br>
the one that
has been<br>
<br>
implemented in
APNIC, and the<br>
<br>
accuracy of
the contacts
is now<br>
<br>
87.5% as
reported this
month in<br>
<br>
the last APNIC
meeting. In
that<br>
<br>
report *<b>none</b>*
of the<br>
<br>
members
indicated any
of the<br>
<br>
issues that
you indicated<br>
<br>
(didn't
happened as
well in the<br>
<br>
other
regions).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">You
know who is<br>
<br>
interested in
not having
abuse<br>
<br>
contacts?
Those that use
their<br>
<br>
networks for
doing abuse<br>
<br>
(hijacking,
spam, DoS,<br>
<br>
intrusions,
etc.).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0in">Can
you explain if<br>
<br>
the network
that you
operate has<br>
<br>
an abuse
contact an how
if one<br>
<br>
of your
customes is
trying to<br>
<br>
penetrate my
network or do
a<br>
<br>
DoS, I will be
able to
contact<br>
<br>
you and if you
will do
anything<br>
<br>
or just ignore
it?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">El<br>
<br>
17/9/20 2:21,
"lucilla
fornaro"<br>
<br>
<<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<span
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">Dear<br>
<br>
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">I<br>
<br>
have some
concerns about
the<br>
<br>
“Abuse Contact
Policy”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">First<br>
<br>
of all, it
does not offer
a<br>
<br>
specific and
regulated<br>
<br>
description of
the term<br>
<br>
“abuse” and
this opens the<br>
<br>
door to
potentially
bigger<br>
<br>
problems: a
surplus of<br>
<br>
reports,
discrimination/legal<br>
<br>
issues, and a
waste of<br>
<br>
resources.
Around the
world,<br>
<br>
we can
perceive what
abuse is<br>
<br>
in very
different
ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">Afrinic<br>
<br>
is not
entitled to
force<br>
<br>
members to
report abuses
and<br>
<br>
most
importantly,
this<br>
<br>
proposal does
not represent<br>
<br>
Afrinic’s
purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
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<span
lang="ES">I,<br>
<br>
therefore,
oppose this
policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">Thank<br>
<br>
you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="ES">Le jeu.<br>
<br>
17 sept. 2020 à
15:49, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ
via<br>
<br>
RPD <<a
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<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi<br>
<br>
Lamiaa,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I’ve<br>
<br>
said this
already. This
policy doesn’t<br>
<br>
enforce abuse,
it enforces
that the abuse<br>
<br>
contact is
there, and
works.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Today<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is
paying for the
cost of the
abuse<br>
<br>
handling
because only a
tiny fraction
of the<br>
<br>
members has
the abuse
contacts in
place.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">If
the<br>
<br>
contacts in
the RIR
database
aren’t actual<br>
<br>
and accurate,
this is a
clear
violation of<br>
<br>
the RSA. So
what is
unacceptable
is not<br>
<br>
having the
contacts, not
on the other
way<br>
<br>
around.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Abuse
is<br>
<br>
not defined by
the RIRs,
everybody
knows it<br>
<br>
and this is
the reason why
NONE of the
RIRs<br>
<br>
have
re-defined it,
because it is
already<br>
<br>
stated in
RFC2142. Can
you justify
why<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is
different and
need a
definition?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">How
you<br>
<br>
define it in
the networks
that you
operate?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,</span><span
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<span
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<span
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<span
lang="ES">El
17/9/20<br>
<br>
10:49, "Lamiaa
Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Hello,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">I<br>
<br>
will have to
agree with
Lucilla on
what<br>
<br>
she said and
would like to
add to it that<br>
<br>
:</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="ES">Firstly,
Abuse<br>
<br>
enforcement is
out of scope
for RIRs.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="ES">Secondly,
RIRs<br>
<br>
have no
ability to
define what is
“abuse”,<br>
<br>
one abuse or
even criminal
activity could<br>
<br>
be entirely a
legal
operation in a<br>
<br>
different
jurisdiction.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="ES">Finally,
making<br>
<br>
a member
forcefully
reply to abuse
contact<br>
<br>
Emails are a
waste of
resources and<br>
<br>
totally
pointless, it
is entirely up
to<br>
<br>
the member to
define what
they think is<br>
<br>
acceptable in
their network
operation and<br>
<br>
how they react
to it. AFRINIC
has no<br>
<br>
mandate to
force any
member to
reply to an<br>
<br>
“abuse”, since
AFRINIC
doesn’t even
have<br>
<br>
the ability to
identify what
is considered<br>
<br>
an abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="ES">Therefore
the<br>
<br>
entire policy
is out of
scope for the
RIR<br>
<br>
operation.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="ES">Regards,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="ES">Lamiaa</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">Le jeu.
17<br>
<br>
sept. 2020
à 07:42, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ<br>
<br>
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<blockquote
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi<br>
<br>
Lucilla,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Today<br>
<br>
we already
have mnt-IRT,
and<br>
<br>
everybody who
operate
networks<br>
<br>
understand
what it is an
abuse. If<br>
<br>
you operate
networks you
know that *<b>anything</b>*<br>
<br>
which is a
non-authorized
use of a<br>
<br>
network is an
abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">If<br>
<br>
you send spam,
attack
networks, try<br>
<br>
to intrude
networks,
etc., all
those<br>
<br>
are abuse.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">What<br>
<br>
the policy ask
is to make
sure that<br>
<br>
in AFRINIC
everybody has
an abuse<br>
<br>
contact (today
we have
mnt-IRT, but<br>
<br>
is not
mandatory, and
as a results<br>
<br>
many African
networks are
filtered<br>
<br>
because lack
of that – and<br>
<br>
consequently
they do not
respond to<br>
<br>
abuse cases -,
which exist in
all<br>
<br>
the other
regions of the
world).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Not
having an
abuse<br>
<br>
means more
chances of
legal<br>
<br>
actions, more
cost, for both
the<br>
<br>
victims and
the ISPs.
Having that<br>
<br>
means that you
have more
chances<br>
<br>
to resolve it
in goodfaith.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">One
of the *<b>most<br>
<br>
important</b>*
Afrinic
missions<br>
<br>
is to have
accuracy on
the<br>
<br>
database,
which includes
accuracy<br>
<br>
on the
contacts. We
are not<br>
<br>
fulfilling
that in this
situation.</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Remember
that *<b>all</b>*<br>
<br>
the other RIRs
have already
this<br>
<br>
kind of
policy. This
one is like<br>
<br>
the one that
has been
implemented<br>
<br>
in APNIC, and
the accuracy
of the<br>
<br>
contacts is
now 87.5% as
reported<br>
<br>
this month in
the last APNIC<br>
<br>
meeting. In
that report *<b>none</b>*<br>
<br>
of the members
indicated any
of<br>
<br>
the issues
that you
indicated<br>
<br>
(didn't
happened as
well in the<br>
<br>
other
regions).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">You
know who is<br>
<br>
interested in
not having
abuse<br>
<br>
contacts?
Those that use
their<br>
<br>
networks for
doing abuse<br>
<br>
(hijacking,
spam, DoS,
intrusions,<br>
<br>
etc.).</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Can
you explain if<br>
<br>
the network
that you
operate has<br>
<br>
an abuse
contact an how
if one of<br>
<br>
your customes
is trying to<br>
<br>
penetrate my
network or do
a DoS,<br>
<br>
I will be able
to contact you
and<br>
<br>
if you will do
anything or
just<br>
<br>
ignore it?</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES">El<br>
<br>
17/9/20 2:21,
"lucilla
fornaro"<br>
<br>
<<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES">Dear<br>
<br>
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES">I<br>
<br>
have some
concerns about
the<br>
<br>
“Abuse Contact
Policy”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES">First<br>
<br>
of all, it
does not offer
a<br>
<br>
specific and
regulated<br>
<br>
description of
the term
“abuse”<br>
<br>
and this
opens the door
to<br>
<br>
potentially
bigger
problems: a<br>
<br>
surplus of
reports,<br>
<br>
discrimination/legal issues, and<br>
<br>
a waste of
resources.
Around the<br>
<br>
world, we can
perceive what<br>
<br>
abuse is in
very different
ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES">Afrinic<br>
<br>
is not
entitled to
force members<br>
<br>
to report
abuses and
most<br>
<br>
importantly,
this proposal
does<br>
<br>
not represent
Afrinic’s
purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES">I,<br>
<br>
therefore,
oppose this
policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
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<span
lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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lang="ES">Lamiaa<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>
The IPv6 Company<br>
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This electronic message contains information which
may be privileged or confidential. The information
is intended to be for the exclusive use of the
individual(s) named above and further
non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying,
distribution or use of the contents of this
information, even if partially, including attached
files, is strictly prohibited and will be
considered a criminal offense. If you are not the
intended recipient be aware that any disclosure,
copying, distribution or use of the contents of
this information, even if partially, including
attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be
considered a criminal offense, so you must reply
to the original sender to inform about this
communication and delete it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
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href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>RPD mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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