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That's about it.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">Internet is about cooperation, I don’t think
you can choose “not to reply”. You can choose “not to
consider it an abuse”, but not reply at all, in my opinion,
will be against the correct management of the resources,
which you’re bound as an AFRINIC member. You can choose to
no reply to victims if they insist in something that you
told them is not an abuse, that’s fine, but you must reply
to AFRINIC for the validation of any data, whois, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le lun. 21
sept. 2020 à 10:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Lamiaa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">8.3 and 8.4
are making sure that you respond to an abuse case, *<b>not</b>*
that you *<b>recognize</b>* it as an abuse. It is
your choice to tell the “victim ISP”, look for me
this is not an abuse, so I will not do anything
about it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">AFRINIC can’t
verify this automatically, because it doesn’t make
sense that AFRINIC is “sending” fake abuse reports
to see if they get a response.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">AFRINIC can
only send an email for the validation of the
mailbox. It is an existing mailbox? I’m getting a
response (for example, have they, once I send the
validation email, clicked the link or went into
MyAfrinic to input the validation code?).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">8.4 also
states the timing for the validation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">8.5 is the
validation itself, so I guess, according to your
response, that you’re ok with this specific point.
If we don’t have it, AFRINIC can’t do a periodic
validation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">8.6. is making
sure that you don’t try to fake the validation. For
instance, you could respond only to AFRINIC
validations and then discard all the other emails.
If we don’t have that, the policy may become
useless. Note also that in fact, if you follow the
RSA, *<b>anyone</b>* could escalate *<b>any</b>*
lack of CPM compliance. So this is making sure that
the policy text is honest and transparent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Or do you
prefer to be filtered because you don’t respond?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Clearly this
proposal is not asking AFRINIC to be a police. Is
only making sure that the parties *<b>can talk</b>*.
Again: AFRINIC will not be involved in “how you
handle the case”, but I least you should be able to
be contacted and respond.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">See this
example:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">If
AK or Moses customers are sending me spam, or trying
to intrude my network, and they have abuse contacts,
I will be able to complain to them. Then we have two
cases:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:black" lang="EN-US">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Moses
responds to me and say “you’re right, this is
against our AUP” (is irrelevant what the law in
Moses country say, it is the contract with customers
what says what is allowed or not). Let’s fix it. I
will warn the customer, and if they don’t stop, we
will filter their email port, or even cancel the
contract (just examples, only Moses can decide what
they do).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:black" lang="EN-US">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">AK
instead doesn’t care, or the mailbox is full or
bouncing emails or respond “sorry in our network we
allow that”. Then I can take my own decision, filter
only that IP address, or the complete AK network. I
can even see if this is allowed in his country and
take legal actions (which usually you don’t do
because is costly and more of the regulations don’t
know “anything” about abuse or even Internet!).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">AFRINIC will
not take any measure if AK decides that is not an
abuse. It is our problem not AFRINIC problem.
However, if the email is bouncing, AFRINIC will
revalidate the abuse-c and make sure that it works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Is
like a phone book. You have there the phones and
they must be correct, or you need to update them
every “n” months. The phone book doesn’t tell the
purpose of each phone. If you don’t want to accept
calls related to “ordering pizzas”, you tell the
caller “this number is not for that”, but at least
you must pick up the phone otherwise, you don’t know
if it is somebody calling by error or someone that
you really want to talk. And this is true for *<b>every</b>*
whois contact.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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know how do you handle it in the networks that you
operate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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21/9/20 10:00, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
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think you are very confused. I never said I have a
problem with people completing their registration.
Keep registration---having an abuse contact Email in
the whois, just like tech contact or admin
contact--I am perfectly fine with it, and I think
the current policy achieves 99% it, if you want to
add this contact as mandatory field I am fine with
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the problem of this policy in 8.3-8.6, is that it
requires AFRINIC to monitor the members HOW to
manage their abuse mailbox down to the subject line,
and that is out of the scope of AFRINIC, just read
my last email with logic in mind and you will
understand. I suggest this policy should be very
simple, adding one line to the current policy--
abuse contact is mandatory, and it's done,
everything else should be deleted.<o:p></o:p></p>
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again, you are trying to use AFRINIC for something
that is not in its scope, how someone manages their
mailbox is not in the scope of AFRINIC, it is like
you go to your local church to ask them to arrest
your neighbour who plays loud music at night when
you should go to police instead. Same thing for
someone running an abusive network, as many already
stated, it is up to a local Jury to decide if it is
simply at an annoying level or a criminal offense,
but either way please do go to your local police to
report it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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for the internet, we never tell you how to
behave--you are entirely at your rights in the
internet to behave abusively, but it is also
entirely in everyone's rights to block you, that's
how de-centralizing works, no central governing,
everyone plays nice because that's the only way for
everyone else to play with you, and this policy here
asks AFRINIC to act like a central government even
down to manage people's mailbox's subject line and
that is way beyond what internet meant to be.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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20 sept. 2020 à 23:42, Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 19/09/2020 13:19, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515" lang="EN-US">How is it in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how I manage my abuse mailbox? If I want to reply only to a specific subject line of my abuse box, it is entirely in my right to do. Even if I don't want to reply at the abuse mailbox at all, that is my right to do so and if I think no action in my network would be considered abuse (although unlikely), but it is still from the internet community point of view, entirely in my right to do so. You might choose to block me as a network, but that is also your right. </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515" lang="EN-US">The reason internet is called INTER-NET is because of its decentralized nature, you have to play nice for others to play with you, but this community never forces anyone to play nice, it is not in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how members reply to their abuse mailbox, so if 8.3,8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 are deleted in its entirety, I might consider supporting it. Also Jordi, I feel you always have this central management type of thinking, and that is so not internet.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt">It is not in the
scope of any RIR how anyone manage people's<br>
<br>
mailboxes.<br>
<br>
<br>
Nobody exists alone in the Internet. If an
organization<br>
<br>
hypothetically doesn't care at all and refuses
to respond to abuse<br>
<br>
emails it probably should re-think its
existence in the Internet<br>
<br>
business.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Internet is what is among many reasons because
of the<br>
<br>
cooperation among its organizations, and there
are certain rules<br>
<br>
that are agreed cooperatively and must be
observed by everyone<br>
<br>
willing remain on it, otherwise it may in many
cases cause serious<br>
<br>
damage to those willing to operate in serious
manner and keep it a<br>
<br>
healthy place to most people who depend on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt">This forum is
about setting rules on how registration
information<br>
<br>
about resources are kept and it may be of the
wish of the<br>
<br>
community to refuse keep registration for
those who repetitively<br>
<br>
abuse of their individual rights.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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18 sept. 2020 à 09:23,<br>
<br>
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Hi Lamiaa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">I don’t agree.
Internet doesn't depend on<br>
<br>
any jurisdiction; abuse is about
what I (the victim<br>
<br>
operator) consider abuse. The RFC
is clear about that,<br>
<br>
in short “Inappropriate public
behaviour” (is a<br>
<br>
mailbox so to be able to contact
in case there is a<br>
<br>
possible inappropriate behaviour
in the public<br>
<br>
Internet). If you want a clearer
definition, abuse is<br>
<br>
*<b>anything</b>* that I don’t
want to accept in my<br>
<br>
network because is in any way
damaging it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">If I don’t want to
accept a DoS, or spam,<br>
<br>
or phising, DMCA, or whatever,
this is abuse *<b>for<br>
<br>
me</b>*. I’ve the right to tell
you because that<br>
<br>
abuse is coming from your network.
If you believe that<br>
<br>
is not abuse (and here is your
jurisdiction in some<br>
<br>
cases, in other just doesn’t
exist, but it may be also<br>
<br>
your “business” decision – like
operators that don’t<br>
<br>
care if their customers do spam or
intrusion<br>
<br>
attempts), you’ve the right to
tell me “sorry, this is<br>
<br>
not abuse for us”, and then I’ve
the right to decide<br>
<br>
if I should filter your network
based on your<br>
<br>
response.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse
contact, means that<br>
<br>
I’m not able to contact you, so we
can’t talk, we<br>
<br>
can’t investigate or agree if it
is an abuse or not,<br>
<br>
so you (the offender operator)
don’t have the chance<br>
<br>
to decide about it! Is bad for
you, is bad for me. In<br>
<br>
those cases, my best choice is to
filter you. This<br>
<br>
create problems for your customers
and my customers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">We can’t depend on
jurisdictions, because<br>
<br>
then the policy will need to
consider inter-relations<br>
<br>
among every possible “pairs” of
country worlds, and we<br>
<br>
will need to update the policy
based on any<br>
<br>
jurisdiction change. The policy is
not about that, is<br>
<br>
about having a valid responsible
contact, not about<br>
<br>
deciding what is an abuse, which
is among the two<br>
<br>
parties.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">Tell me what is
different from AFRINIC<br>
<br>
than the rest of the world,
because none of the RIRs<br>
<br>
have defined abuse in their
policies. I even don’t<br>
<br>
recall that having appeared in the
discussions!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">If<br>
<br>
you want, I’m happy to change
the title of the<br>
<br>
proposal to “supposed abuse
contact”, that may be<br>
<br>
clearing your point?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Again,<br>
<br>
this is not about defining what
is abuse, this is<br>
<br>
among the parties. It is about
making sure that<br>
<br>
there is a valid responsible
contact in case of<br>
<br>
anyone needs to report what he
considers an abuse.<br>
<br>
AFRINIC will not punish anyone
that believes that<br>
<br>
his customer is not doing an
abuse because in his<br>
<br>
country is not an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
18/9/20 9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti"
<<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
only defines a tiny portion of
the network abuse. In<br>
<br>
real world operation, abuse
consists of a much<br>
<br>
boarder range : DMCA(copy
rights) claims,<br>
<br>
unsolicited emails , phishing
websites , trade mark<br>
<br>
disputes etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
those are legal issues that vary
vastly across<br>
<br>
different juridictions in which
no one but each of<br>
<br>
the juridiction’s judges can
decide if it is an<br>
<br>
abuse or an illegal activity.
Claiming that RFC2142<br>
<br>
defines not even 1% of real
world abuse is<br>
<br>
laughable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
17 sept. 2020 à 15:51, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ via<br>
<br>
RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Hi<br>
<br>
Lamiaa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">I’ve<br>
<br>
said this already.
This policy doesn’t<br>
<br>
enforce abuse, it
enforces that the
abuse<br>
<br>
contact is there, and
works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Today<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is paying for
the cost of the<br>
<br>
abuse handling because
only a tiny<br>
<br>
fraction of the
members has the abuse<br>
<br>
contacts in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
the contacts in the
RIR database aren’t<br>
<br>
actual and accurate,
this is a clear<br>
<br>
violation of the RSA.
So what is<br>
<br>
unacceptable is not
having the contacts,<br>
<br>
not on the other way
around.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Abuse<br>
<br>
is not defined by the
RIRs, everybody<br>
<br>
knows it and this is
the reason why NONE<br>
<br>
of the RIRs have
re-defined it, because
it<br>
<br>
is already stated in
RFC2142. Can you<br>
<br>
justify why AFRINIC is
different and need<br>
<br>
a definition?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
you define it in the
networks that you<br>
<br>
operate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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17/9/20<br>
<br>
10:49, "Lamiaa
Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">I<br>
<br>
will have to agree
with Lucilla on what<br>
<br>
she said and would
like to add to it<br>
<br>
that :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none
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Abuse<br>
<br>
enforcement is out
of scope for RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none
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1.0pt;padding:0cm">Secondly,
RIRs<br>
<br>
have no ability to
define what is<br>
<br>
“abuse”, one abuse
or even criminal<br>
<br>
activity could be
entirely a legal<br>
<br>
operation in a
different
jurisdiction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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1.0pt;padding:0cm">Finally,
making<br>
<br>
a member forcefully
reply to abuse<br>
<br>
contact Emails are a
waste of resources<br>
<br>
and totally
pointless, it is
entirely up<br>
<br>
to the member to
define what they
think<br>
<br>
is acceptable in
their network
operation<br>
<br>
and how they react
to it. AFRINIC has
no<br>
<br>
mandate to force any
member to reply to<br>
<br>
an “abuse”, since
AFRINIC doesn’t even<br>
<br>
have the ability to
identify what is<br>
<br>
considered an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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the<br>
<br>
entire policy is out
of scope for the<br>
<br>
RIR operation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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17<br>
<br>
sept. 2020 à 07:42,
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<br>
<br>
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
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style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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Lucilla,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Today
we already
have<br>
<br>
mnt-IRT, and
everybody who
operate<br>
<br>
networks
understand
what it is an<br>
<br>
abuse. If you
operate
networks you<br>
<br>
know that *<b>anything</b>*
which<br>
<br>
is a
non-authorized
use of a<br>
<br>
network is an
abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">If
you send spam,<br>
<br>
attack
networks, try
to intrude<br>
<br>
networks,
etc., all
those are<br>
<br>
abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">What
the policy ask<br>
<br>
is to make
sure that in
AFRINIC<br>
<br>
everybody has
an abuse
contact<br>
<br>
(today we have
mnt-IRT, but
is not<br>
<br>
mandatory, and
as a results
many<br>
<br>
African
networks are
filtered<br>
<br>
because lack
of that – and<br>
<br>
consequently
they do not
respond<br>
<br>
to abuse cases
-, which exist
in<br>
<br>
all the other
regions of the<br>
<br>
world).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<div>
<p
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Not
having an
abuse<br>
<br>
means more
chances of
legal<br>
<br>
actions, more
cost, for both
the<br>
<br>
victims and
the ISPs.
Having<br>
<br>
that means
that you have
more<br>
<br>
chances to
resolve it in<br>
<br>
goodfaith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">One
of the *<b>most<br>
<br>
important</b>*
Afrinic<br>
<br>
missions is to
have accuracy
on<br>
<br>
the database,
which includes<br>
<br>
accuracy on
the contacts.
We are<br>
<br>
not fulfilling
that in this<br>
<br>
situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Remember
that *<b>all</b>*<br>
<br>
the other RIRs
have already
this<br>
<br>
kind of
policy. This
one is like<br>
<br>
the one that
has been<br>
<br>
implemented in
APNIC, and the<br>
<br>
accuracy of
the contacts
is now<br>
<br>
87.5% as
reported this
month in<br>
<br>
the last APNIC
meeting. In
that<br>
<br>
report *<b>none</b>*
of the<br>
<br>
members
indicated any
of the<br>
<br>
issues that
you indicated<br>
<br>
(didn't
happened as
well in the<br>
<br>
other
regions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">You
know who is<br>
<br>
interested in
not having
abuse<br>
<br>
contacts?
Those that use
their<br>
<br>
networks for
doing abuse<br>
<br>
(hijacking,
spam, DoS,<br>
<br>
intrusions,
etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Can
you explain if<br>
<br>
the network
that you
operate has<br>
<br>
an abuse
contact an how
if one<br>
<br>
of your
customes is
trying to<br>
<br>
penetrate my
network or do
a<br>
<br>
DoS, I will be
able to
contact<br>
<br>
you and if you
will do
anything<br>
<br>
or just ignore
it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
17/9/20 2:21,
"lucilla
fornaro"<br>
<br>
<<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
have some
concerns about
the<br>
<br>
“Abuse Contact
Policy”.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<div>
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<p
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<br>
of all, it
does not offer
a<br>
<br>
specific and
regulated<br>
<br>
description of
the term<br>
<br>
“abuse” and
this opens the<br>
<br>
door to
potentially
bigger<br>
<br>
problems: a
surplus of<br>
<br>
reports,
discrimination/legal<br>
<br>
issues, and a
waste of<br>
<br>
resources.
Around the
world,<br>
<br>
we can
perceive what
abuse is<br>
<br>
in very
different
ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:177.0pt">Afrinic<br>
<br>
is not
entitled to
force<br>
<br>
members to
report abuses
and<br>
<br>
most
importantly,
this<br>
<br>
proposal does
not represent<br>
<br>
Afrinic’s
purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
therefore,
oppose this
policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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PALET MARTINEZ via<br>
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Lamiaa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
said this already. This
policy doesn’t<br>
<br>
enforce abuse, it
enforces that the abuse<br>
<br>
contact is there, and
works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">Today<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is paying for
the cost of the abuse<br>
<br>
handling because only a
tiny fraction of the<br>
<br>
members has the abuse
contacts in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">If the<br>
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contacts in the RIR
database aren’t actual<br>
<br>
and accurate, this is a
clear violation of<br>
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the RSA. So what is
unacceptable is not<br>
<br>
having the contacts, not
on the other way<br>
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around.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">Abuse is<br>
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not defined by the RIRs,
everybody knows it<br>
<br>
and this is the reason
why NONE of the RIRs<br>
<br>
have re-defined it,
because it is already<br>
<br>
stated in RFC2142. Can
you justify why<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is different and
need a definition?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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networks that you
operate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">I<br>
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will have to agree
with Lucilla on what<br>
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she said and would
like to add to it that<br>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Firstly,
Abuse<br>
<br>
enforcement is out of
scope for RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Secondly,
RIRs<br>
<br>
have no ability to
define what is
“abuse”,<br>
<br>
one abuse or even
criminal activity
could<br>
<br>
be entirely a legal
operation in a<br>
<br>
different
jurisdiction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Finally,
making<br>
<br>
a member forcefully
reply to abuse contact<br>
<br>
Emails are a waste of
resources and<br>
<br>
totally pointless, it
is entirely up to<br>
<br>
the member to define
what they think is<br>
<br>
acceptable in their
network operation and<br>
<br>
how they react to it.
AFRINIC has no<br>
<br>
mandate to force any
member to reply to an<br>
<br>
“abuse”, since AFRINIC
doesn’t even have<br>
<br>
the ability to
identify what is
considered<br>
<br>
an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Therefore
the<br>
<br>
entire policy is out
of scope for the RIR<br>
<br>
operation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt">Le jeu.
17<br>
<br>
sept. 2020 à 07:42,
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<br>
<br>
via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<br>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi<br>
<br>
Lucilla,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Today<br>
<br>
we already have
mnt-IRT, and<br>
<br>
everybody who
operate networks<br>
<br>
understand what
it is an abuse.
If<br>
<br>
you operate
networks you
know that *<b>anything</b>*<br>
<br>
which is a
non-authorized
use of a<br>
<br>
network is an
abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">If<br>
<br>
you send spam,
attack networks,
try<br>
<br>
to intrude
networks, etc.,
all those<br>
<br>
are abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">What<br>
<br>
the policy ask
is to make sure
that<br>
<br>
in AFRINIC
everybody has an
abuse<br>
<br>
contact (today
we have mnt-IRT,
but<br>
<br>
is not
mandatory, and
as a results<br>
<br>
many African
networks are
filtered<br>
<br>
because lack of
that – and<br>
<br>
consequently
they do not
respond to<br>
<br>
abuse cases -,
which exist in
all<br>
<br>
the other
regions of the
world).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse<br>
<br>
means more
chances of
legal<br>
<br>
actions, more
cost, for both
the<br>
<br>
victims and
the ISPs.
Having that<br>
<br>
means that you
have more
chances<br>
<br>
to resolve it
in goodfaith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most<br>
<br>
important</b>*
Afrinic
missions<br>
<br>
is to have
accuracy on
the<br>
<br>
database,
which includes
accuracy<br>
<br>
on the
contacts. We
are not<br>
<br>
fulfilling
that in this
situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*<br>
<br>
the other RIRs
have already
this<br>
<br>
kind of
policy. This
one is like<br>
<br>
the one that
has been
implemented<br>
<br>
in APNIC, and
the accuracy
of the<br>
<br>
contacts is
now 87.5% as
reported<br>
<br>
this month in
the last APNIC<br>
<br>
meeting. In
that report *<b>none</b>*<br>
<br>
of the members
indicated any
of<br>
<br>
the issues
that you
indicated<br>
<br>
(didn't
happened as
well in the<br>
<br>
other
regions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">You know who is<br>
<br>
interested in
not having
abuse<br>
<br>
contacts?
Those that use
their<br>
<br>
networks for
doing abuse<br>
<br>
(hijacking,
spam, DoS,
intrusions,<br>
<br>
etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Can you explain if<br>
<br>
the network
that you
operate has<br>
<br>
an abuse
contact an how
if one of<br>
<br>
your customes
is trying to<br>
<br>
penetrate my
network or do
a DoS,<br>
<br>
I will be able
to contact you
and<br>
<br>
if you will do
anything or
just<br>
<br>
ignore it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
17/9/20 2:21,
"lucilla
fornaro"<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:177.0pt">I<br>
<br>
have some
concerns about
the<br>
<br>
“Abuse Contact
Policy”.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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<p
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:177.0pt">First<br>
<br>
of all, it
does not offer
a<br>
<br>
specific and
regulated<br>
<br>
description of
the term
“abuse”<br>
<br>
and this
opens the door
to<br>
<br>
potentially
bigger
problems: a<br>
<br>
surplus of
reports,<br>
<br>
discrimination/legal issues, and<br>
<br>
a waste of
resources.
Around the<br>
<br>
world, we can
perceive what<br>
<br>
abuse is in
very different
ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:177.0pt">Afrinic<br>
<br>
is not
entitled to
force members<br>
<br>
to report
abuses and
most<br>
<br>
importantly,
this proposal
does<br>
<br>
not represent
Afrinic’s
purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:177.0pt">I,<br>
<br>
therefore,
oppose this
policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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<br>
you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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