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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-ZA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>>The reason internet is called INTER-NET is because of its decentralized nature,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You are 100% correct. It is decentralised and there is no-one to tell anyone what to do and how to behave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>HOWEVER, I shall decide what I shall tolerate on my network, so its not for you to worry about the definition of abuse. If I want to engage a network sending traffic that I don’t approve of, I want to contact them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Most of us here run ISPs, others are end points. My clients’ expect to me supply them with access to the full internet. As such should there be networks out there that are preventing my clients from access those internet resources through abuse of any kind, I have two choices:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Block that network – that affects everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Contact that network owner and engage with them about the issue that I am experiencing. This doesn’t mean a fancy email box that only responds to certain email, but a genuine mailbox with a human that you can engage with.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is the great thing about the INTER-Net, we talk to each other and resolve issues so that we don’t need policing and it can remain decentralised.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So the choice is, let people know how to contact us if there is a problem, or get your network blocked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As I think you seeing here, those that run networks, are not understanding your objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do you operate a network?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Perhaps try explain in a different way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Saul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 19 September 2020 18:19<br><b>To:</b> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es><br><b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hello again Jordi ,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>It is somewhat OK to have a member having an abuse contact in the whois, being part of a complete registration, and have Afrinic remind them if they haven't done so, but the problem comes with 8.5 validation of "abuse-c"/"abuse-mailbox"<br><br>AFRINIC will validate compliance with the items above, both when the "abuse-c" and/or "abuse-mailbox" attributes are created or updated, as well as periodically, not less than once every 6 months, and whenever AFRINIC sees fit.<br><br> <br>8.6 Escalation to AFRINIC<br><br>Fraudulent behavior (as an example, an "abuse-mailbox" that only replies to AFRINIC's emails, or to messages with a specific subject or content), or failure to comply with the remaining aspects of this policy (incorrect or lack of response to cases of abuse) can be reported to AFRINIC for a re-validation (as per section 8.5 above).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>How is it in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how I manage my abuse mailbox? If I want to reply only to a specific subject line of my abuse box, it is entirely in my right to do. Even if I don't want to reply at the abuse mailbox at all, that is my right to do so and if I think no action in my network would be considered abuse (although unlikely), but it is still from the internet community point of view, entirely in my right to do so. You might choose to block me as a network, but that is also your right. </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>The reason internet is called INTER-NET is because of its decentralized nature, you have to play nice for others to play with you, but this community never forces anyone to play nice, it is not in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how members reply to their abuse mailbox, so if 8.3,8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 are deleted in its entirety, I might consider supporting it. Also Jordi, I feel you always have this central management type of thinking, and that is so not internet.</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-right:19.5pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Lamiaa</span><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 à 09:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Lamiaa,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I don’t agree. Internet doesn't depend on any jurisdiction; abuse is about what I (the victim operator) consider abuse. The RFC is clear about that, in short “Inappropriate public behaviour” (is a mailbox so to be able to contact in case there is a possible inappropriate behaviour in the public Internet). If you want a clearer definition, abuse is *<b>anything</b>* that I don’t want to accept in my network because is in any way damaging it.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>If I don’t want to accept a DoS, or spam, or phising, DMCA, or whatever, this is abuse *<b>for me</b>*. I’ve the right to tell you because that abuse is coming from your network. If you believe that is not abuse (and here is your jurisdiction in some cases, in other just doesn’t exist, but it may be also your “business” decision – like operators that don’t care if their customers do spam or intrusion attempts), you’ve the right to tell me “sorry, this is not abuse for us”, and then I’ve the right to decide if I should filter your network based on your response.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Not having an abuse contact, means that I’m not able to contact you, so we can’t talk, we can’t investigate or agree if it is an abuse or not, so you (the offender operator) don’t have the chance to decide about it! Is bad for you, is bad for me. In those cases, my best choice is to filter you. This create problems for your customers and my customers.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>We can’t depend on jurisdictions, because then the policy will need to consider inter-relations among every possible “pairs” of country worlds, and we will need to update the policy based on any jurisdiction change. The policy is not about that, is about having a valid responsible contact, not about deciding what is an abuse, which is among the two parties.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Tell me what is different from AFRINIC than the rest of the world, because none of the RIRs have defined abuse in their policies. I even don’t recall that having appeared in the discussions!</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>If you want, I’m happy to change the title of the proposal to “supposed abuse contact”, that may be clearing your point?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Again, this is not about defining what is abuse, this is among the parties. It is about making sure that there is a valid responsible contact in case of anyone needs to report what he considers an abuse. AFRINIC will not punish anyone that believes that his customer is not doing an abuse because in his country is not an abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Jordi</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>@jordipalet</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>El 18/9/20 9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Hello Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>RFC2142 only defines a tiny portion of the network abuse. In real world operation, abuse consists of a much boarder range : DMCA(copy rights) claims, unsolicited emails , phishing websites , trade mark disputes etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>All those are legal issues that vary vastly across different juridictions in which no one but each of the juridiction’s judges can decide if it is an abuse or an illegal activity. Claiming that RFC2142 defines not even 1% of real world abuse is laughable.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Lamiaa<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 15:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Hi Lamiaa,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>I’ve said this already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse, it enforces that the abuse contact is there, and works.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Today AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse handling because only a tiny fraction of the members has the abuse contacts in place.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>If the contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual and accurate, this is a clear violation of the RSA. So what is unacceptable is not having the contacts, not on the other way around.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Abuse is not defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have re-defined it, because it is already stated in RFC2142. Can you justify why AFRINIC is different and need a definition?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>How you define it in the networks that you operate?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Jordi</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>@jordipalet</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>El 17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</span></a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Hello,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>I will have to agree with Lucilla on what she said and would like to add to it that :</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Firstly, Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Secondly, RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one abuse or even criminal activity could be entirely a legal operation in a different jurisdiction.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Finally, making a member forcefully reply to abuse contact Emails are a waste of resources and totally pointless, it is entirely up to the member to define what they think is acceptable in their network operation and how they react to it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member to reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have the ability to identify what is considered an abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Therefore the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR operation.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Lamiaa</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='margin-left:90.3pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.5pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Hi Lucilla,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Today we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate networks understand what it is an abuse. If you operate networks you know that *<b>anything</b>* which is a non-authorized use of a network is an abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>If you send spam, attack networks, try to intrude networks, etc., all those are abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>What the policy ask is to make sure that in AFRINIC everybody has an abuse contact (today we have mnt-IRT, but is not mandatory, and as a results many African networks are filtered because lack of that – and consequently they do not respond to abuse cases -, which exist in all the other regions of the world).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Not having an abuse means more chances of legal actions, more cost, for both the victims and the ISPs. Having that means that you have more chances to resolve it in goodfaith.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>One of the *<b>most important</b>* Afrinic missions is to have accuracy on the database, which includes accuracy on the contacts. We are not fulfilling that in this situation.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Remember that *<b>all</b>* the other RIRs have already this kind of policy. This one is like the one that has been implemented in APNIC, and the accuracy of the contacts is now 87.5% as reported this month in the last APNIC meeting. In that report *<b>none</b>* of the members indicated any of the issues that you indicated (didn't happened as well in the other regions).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>You know who is interested in not having abuse contacts? Those that use their networks for doing abuse (hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Can you explain if the network that you operate has an abuse contact an how if one of your customes is trying to penetrate my network or do a DoS, I will be able to contact you and if you will do anything or just ignore it?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Jordi</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>@jordipalet</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>El 17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>I have some concerns about the “Abuse Contact Policy”.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated description of the term “abuse” and this opens the door to potentially bigger problems: a surplus of reports, discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources. Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and most importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic’s purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>I, therefore, oppose this policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Lucilla <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>RPD@afrinic.net</span></a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>http://www.theipv6company.com</span></a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>RPD mailing list<br><br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>RPD@afrinic.net</span></a><br><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Lamiaa,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>I’ve said this already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse, it enforces that the abuse contact is there, and works.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Today AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse handling because only a tiny fraction of the members has the abuse contacts in place.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>If the contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual and accurate, this is a clear violation of the RSA. So what is unacceptable is not having the contacts, not on the other way around.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Abuse is not defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have re-defined it, because it is already stated in RFC2142. Can you justify why AFRINIC is different and need a definition?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>How you define it in the networks that you operate?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Jordi</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>@jordipalet</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>El 17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Hello,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>I will have to agree with Lucilla on what she said and would like to add to it that :</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Firstly, Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Secondly, RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one abuse or even criminal activity could be entirely a legal operation in a different jurisdiction.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Finally, making a member forcefully reply to abuse contact Emails are a waste of resources and totally pointless, it is entirely up to the member to define what they think is acceptable in their network operation and how they react to it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member to reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have the ability to identify what is considered an abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Therefore the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR operation.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Courier New";color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Lamiaa</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='margin-left:90.3pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#151515'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Lucilla,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>Today we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate networks understand what it is an abuse. If you operate networks you know that *<b>anything</b>* which is a non-authorized use of a network is an abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>If you send spam, attack networks, try to intrude networks, etc., all those are abuse.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>What the policy ask is to make sure that in AFRINIC everybody has an abuse contact (today we have mnt-IRT, but is not mandatory, and as a results many African networks are filtered because lack of that – and consequently they do not respond to abuse cases -, which exist in all the other regions of the world).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Not having an abuse means more chances of legal actions, more cost, for both the victims and the ISPs. Having that means that you have more chances to resolve it in goodfaith.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>One of the *<b>most important</b>* Afrinic missions is to have accuracy on the database, which includes accuracy on the contacts. We are not fulfilling that in this situation.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Remember that *<b>all</b>* the other RIRs have already this kind of policy. This one is like the one that has been implemented in APNIC, and the accuracy of the contacts is now 87.5% as reported this month in the last APNIC meeting. In that report *<b>none</b>* of the members indicated any of the issues that you indicated (didn't happened as well in the other regions).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>You know who is interested in not having abuse contacts? Those that use their networks for doing abuse (hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Can you explain if the network that you operate has an abuse contact an how if one of your customes is trying to penetrate my network or do a DoS, I will be able to contact you and if you will do anything or just ignore it?</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Jordi</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>@jordipalet</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>El 17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>I have some concerns about the “Abuse Contact Policy”.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated description of the term “abuse” and this opens the door to potentially bigger problems: a surplus of reports, discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources. Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and most importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic’s purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>I, therefore, oppose this policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>Lucilla <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=ES>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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