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    On 19/09/2020 13:19, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
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                      <pre style="margin:0cm 19.5pt 0.0001pt 0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)" lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, sans-serif">How is it in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how I manage my abuse mailbox? If I want to reply only to a specific subject line of my abuse box, it is entirely in my right to do. Even if I don't want to reply at the abuse mailbox at all, that is my right to do so and if I think no action in my network would be considered abuse (although unlikely), but it is still from  the internet community point of view, entirely in my right to do so. You might choose to block me as a network, but that is also your right. </font></span></pre>
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                      <pre style="margin:0cm 19.5pt 0.0001pt 0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)" lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, sans-serif">The reason internet is called INTER-NET is because of its decentralized nature, you have to play nice for others to play with you, but this community never forces anyone to play nice, it is not in the scope of AFRINIC to decide how members reply to their abuse mailbox, so if 8.3,8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 are deleted in its entirety, I might consider supporting it. Also Jordi, I feel you always have this central management type of thinking, and that is so not internet.</font></span></pre>
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    <p>It is not in the scope of any RIR how anyone manage people's
      mailboxes.<br>
      Nobody exists alone in the Internet. If an organization
      hypothetically doesn't care at all and refuses to respond to abuse
      emails it probably should re-think its existence in the Internet
      business.</p>
    <p>The Internet is what is among many reasons because of the
      cooperation among its organizations, and there are certain rules
      that are agreed cooperatively and must be observed by everyone
      willing remain on it, otherwise it may in many cases cause serious
      damage to those willing to operate in serious manner and keep it a
      healthy place to most people who depend on it.<br>
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    <p>This forum is about setting rules on how registration information
      about resources are kept and it may be of the wish of the
      community to refuse keep registration for those who repetitively
      abuse of their individual rights.</p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 à 09:23,
          JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
                  lang="EN-US">I don’t agree. Internet doesn't depend on
                  any jurisdiction; abuse is about what I (the victim
                  operator) consider abuse. The RFC is clear about that,
                  in short “Inappropriate public behaviour” (is a
                  mailbox so to be able to contact in case there is a
                  possible inappropriate behaviour in the public
                  Internet). If you want a clearer definition, abuse is
                  *<b>anything</b>* that I don’t want to accept in my
                  network because is in any way damaging it.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
                  lang="EN-US">If I don’t want to accept a DoS, or spam,
                  or phising, DMCA, or whatever, this is abuse *<b>for
                    me</b>*. I’ve the right to tell you because that
                  abuse is coming from your network. If you believe that
                  is not abuse (and here is your jurisdiction in some
                  cases, in other just doesn’t exist, but it may be also
                  your “business” decision – like operators that don’t
                  care if their customers do spam or intrusion
                  attempts), you’ve the right to tell me “sorry, this is
                  not abuse for us”, and then I’ve the right to decide
                  if I should filter your network based on your
                  response.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse contact, means that
                  I’m not able to contact you, so we can’t talk, we
                  can’t investigate or agree if it is an abuse or not,
                  so you (the offender operator) don’t have the chance
                  to decide about it! Is bad for you, is bad for me. In
                  those cases, my best choice is to filter you. This
                  create problems for your customers and my customers.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
                  lang="EN-US">We can’t depend on jurisdictions, because
                  then the policy will need to consider inter-relations
                  among every possible “pairs” of country worlds, and we
                  will need to update the policy based on any
                  jurisdiction change. The policy is not about that, is
                  about having a valid responsible contact, not about
                  deciding what is an abuse, which is among the two
                  parties.</span></p>
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                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Tell me what is different from AFRINIC
                  than the rest of the world, because none of the RIRs
                  have defined abuse in their policies. I even don’t
                  recall that having appeared in the discussions!</span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">If
                    you want, I’m happy to change the title of the
                    proposal to “supposed abuse contact”, that may be
                    clearing your point?</span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Again,
                    this is not about defining what is abuse, this is
                    among the parties. It is about making sure that
                    there is a valid responsible contact in case of
                    anyone needs to report what he considers an abuse.
                    AFRINIC will not punish anyone that believes that
                    his customer is not doing an abuse because in his
                    country is not an abuse.</span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
                    18/9/20 9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
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                    only defines a tiny portion of the network abuse. In
                    real world operation, abuse consists of a  much
                    boarder range : DMCA(copy rights) claims,
                    unsolicited emails , phishing  websites , trade mark
                    disputes etc. </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">All
                    those are legal issues that vary vastly across
                    different juridictions in which no one but each of
                    the juridiction’s judges can decide if it is an
                    abuse or an illegal activity. Claiming that RFC2142
                    defines not even 1% of real world abuse is
                    laughable.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lamiaa</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le jeu.
                        17 sept. 2020 à 15:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
                        RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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                              Lamiaa,</span></p>
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                              said this already. This policy doesn’t
                              enforce abuse, it enforces that the abuse
                              contact is there, and works.</span></p>
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                              AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the
                              abuse handling because only a tiny
                              fraction of the members has the abuse
                              contacts in place.</span></p>
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                              the contacts in the RIR database aren’t
                              actual and accurate, this is a clear
                              violation of the RSA. So what is
                              unacceptable is not having the contacts,
                              not on the other way around.</span></p>
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                              is not defined by the RIRs, everybody
                              knows it and this is the reason why NONE
                              of the RIRs have re-defined it, because it
                              is already stated in RFC2142. Can you
                              justify why AFRINIC is different and need
                              a definition?</span></p>
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                              you define it in the networks that you
                              operate?</span></p>
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                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 17/9/20
                                10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
                                  href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="border:1pt none
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                                escribió:</p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
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style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
                                windowtext;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">I
                                will have to agree with Lucilla on what
                                she said and would like to add to it
                                that :</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
                                windowtext;padding:0cm">Firstly, Abuse
                                enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
                                windowtext;padding:0cm">Secondly, RIRs
                                have no ability to define what is
                                “abuse”, one abuse or even criminal
                                activity could be entirely a legal
                                operation in a different jurisdiction.</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
                                windowtext;padding:0cm">Finally, making
                                a member forcefully reply to abuse
                                contact Emails are a waste of resources
                                and totally pointless, it is entirely up
                                to the member to define what they think
                                is acceptable in their network operation
                                and how they react to it. AFRINIC has no
                                mandate to force any member to reply to
                                an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even
                                have the ability to identify what is
                                considered an abuse.</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
                                windowtext;padding:0cm">Therefore the
                                entire policy is out of scope for the
                                RIR operation.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
                                windowtext;padding:0cm">Regards,</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:12.7pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);border:1pt none
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                                style="margin-left:70.8pt">Le jeu. 17
                                sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
                                via RPD <<a
                                  href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="border:1pt none
                                    windowtext;padding:0cm">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>>
                                a écrit :</p>
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                                      lang="EN-US">Hi Lucilla,</span></p>
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                                      lang="EN-US">Today we already have
                                      mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate
                                      networks understand what it is an
                                      abuse. If you operate networks you
                                      know that *<b>anything</b>* which
                                      is a non-authorized use of a
                                      network is an abuse.</span></p>
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                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                      lang="EN-US">If you send spam,
                                      attack networks, try to intrude
                                      networks, etc., all those are
                                      abuse.</span></p>
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                                      lang="EN-US">What the policy ask
                                      is to make sure that in AFRINIC
                                      everybody has an abuse contact
                                      (today we have mnt-IRT, but is not
                                      mandatory, and as a results many
                                      African networks are filtered
                                      because lack of that – and
                                      consequently they do not respond
                                      to abuse cases -, which exist in
                                      all the other regions of the
                                      world).</span></p>
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                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse
                                        means more chances of legal
                                        actions, more cost, for both the
                                        victims and the ISPs. Having
                                        that means that you have more
                                        chances to resolve it in
                                        goodfaith.</span></p>
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                                        lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most
                                          important</b>* Afrinic
                                        missions is to have accuracy on
                                        the database, which includes
                                        accuracy on the contacts. We are
                                        not fulfilling that in this
                                        situation.</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*
                                        the other RIRs have already this
                                        kind of policy. This one is like
                                        the one that has been
                                        implemented in APNIC, and the
                                        accuracy of the contacts is now
                                        87.5% as reported this month in
                                        the last APNIC meeting. In that
                                        report *<b>none</b>* of the
                                        members indicated any of the
                                        issues that you indicated
                                        (didn't happened as well in the
                                        other regions).</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US">You know who is
                                        interested in not having abuse
                                        contacts? Those that use their
                                        networks for doing abuse
                                        (hijacking, spam, DoS,
                                        intrusions, etc.).</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US">Can you explain if
                                        the network that you operate has
                                        an abuse contact an how if one
                                        of your customes is trying to
                                        penetrate my network or do a
                                        DoS, I will be able to contact
                                        you and if you will do anything
                                        or just ignore it?</span></p>
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                                        lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                        style="font-size:12pt;border:1pt
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                                        lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
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                                        lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">El
                                        17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro"
                                        <<a
                                          href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            style="border:1pt none
                                            windowtext;padding:0cm">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>>
                                        escribió:</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
                                          all,</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:106.2pt">I
                                          have some concerns about the
                                          “Abuse Contact Policy”.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:106.2pt">First
                                          of all, it does not offer a
                                          specific and regulated
                                          description of the term
                                          “abuse”  and this opens the
                                          door to potentially bigger
                                          problems: a surplus of
                                          reports, discrimination/legal
                                          issues, and a waste of
                                          resources. Around the world,
                                          we can perceive what abuse is
                                          in very different ways.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:106.2pt">Afrinic
                                          is not entitled to force
                                          members to report abuses and
                                          most importantly, this
                                          proposal does not represent
                                          Afrinic’s purpose.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:106.2pt">I,
                                          therefore, oppose this policy.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-left:106.2pt">Thank
                                          you,</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le jeu.
                      17 sept. 2020 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
                      RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Hi
                            Lamiaa,</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve
                            said this already. This policy doesn’t
                            enforce abuse, it enforces that the abuse
                            contact is there, and works.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Today
                            AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse
                            handling because only a tiny fraction of the
                            members has the abuse contacts in place.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If the
                            contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual
                            and accurate, this is a clear violation of
                            the RSA. So what is unacceptable is not
                            having the contacts, not on the other way
                            around.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Abuse is
                            not defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it
                            and this is the reason why NONE of the RIRs
                            have re-defined it, because it is already
                            stated in RFC2142. Can you justify why
                            AFRINIC is different and need a definition?</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">How you
                            define it in the networks that you operate?</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                              lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                              lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                              lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                              style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
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                            style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 17/9/20
                              10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
                                href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
                              escribió:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)" lang="EN-US">Hello,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="font-family:"Courier
                              New";color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)" lang="EN-US">I
                              will have to agree with Lucilla on what
                              she said and would like to add to it that
                              :</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Firstly, Abuse
                              enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Secondly, RIRs
                              have no ability to define what is “abuse”,
                              one abuse or even criminal activity could
                              be entirely a legal operation in a
                              different jurisdiction.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Finally, making
                              a member forcefully reply to abuse contact
                              Emails are a waste of resources and
                              totally pointless, it is entirely up to
                              the member to define what they think is
                              acceptable in their network operation and
                              how they react to it. AFRINIC has no
                              mandate to force any member to reply to an
                              “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have
                              the ability to identify what is considered
                              an abuse.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Therefore the
                              entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
                              operation.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="font-family:"Courier
                              New";color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Regards,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="font-family:"Courier
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21)">Lamiaa</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
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                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:8pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                              style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></p>
                          <pre style="margin-left:90.3pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:rgb(21,21,21)"> </span></pre>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:70.8pt">Le jeu. 17
                              sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
                              via RPD <<a
                                href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                              a écrit :</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Hi
                                    Lucilla,</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Today
                                    we already have mnt-IRT, and
                                    everybody who operate networks
                                    understand what it is an abuse. If
                                    you operate networks you know that *<b>anything</b>*
                                    which is a non-authorized use of a
                                    network is an abuse.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If
                                    you send spam, attack networks, try
                                    to intrude networks, etc., all those
                                    are abuse.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">What
                                    the policy ask is to make sure that
                                    in AFRINIC everybody has an abuse
                                    contact (today we have mnt-IRT, but
                                    is not mandatory, and as a results
                                    many African networks are filtered
                                    because lack of that – and
                                    consequently they do not respond to
                                    abuse cases -, which exist in all
                                    the other regions of the world).</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse
                                      means more chances of legal
                                      actions, more cost, for both the
                                      victims and the ISPs. Having that
                                      means that you have more chances
                                      to resolve it in goodfaith.</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most
                                        important</b>* Afrinic missions
                                      is to have accuracy on the
                                      database, which includes accuracy
                                      on the contacts. We are not
                                      fulfilling that in this situation.</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*
                                      the other RIRs have already this
                                      kind of policy. This one is like
                                      the one that has been implemented
                                      in APNIC, and the accuracy of the
                                      contacts is now 87.5% as reported
                                      this month in the last APNIC
                                      meeting. In that report *<b>none</b>*
                                      of the members indicated any of
                                      the issues that you indicated
                                      (didn't happened as well in the
                                      other regions).</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">You know who is
                                      interested in not having abuse
                                      contacts? Those that use their
                                      networks for doing abuse
                                      (hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions,
                                      etc.).</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">Can you explain if
                                      the network that you operate has
                                      an abuse contact an how if one of
                                      your customes is trying to
                                      penetrate my network or do a DoS,
                                      I will be able to contact you and
                                      if you will do anything or just
                                      ignore it?</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                      style="font-size:12pt;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                    style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-left:106.2pt">El
                                      17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro"
                                      <<a
                                        href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                      escribió:</p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
                                        all,</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">I
                                        have some concerns about the
                                        “Abuse Contact Policy”.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">First
                                        of all, it does not offer a
                                        specific and regulated
                                        description of the term “abuse”
                                         and this opens the door to
                                        potentially bigger problems: a
                                        surplus of reports,
                                        discrimination/legal issues, and
                                        a waste of resources. Around the
                                        world, we can perceive what
                                        abuse is in very different ways.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">Afrinic
                                        is not entitled to force members
                                        to report abuses and most
                                        importantly, this proposal does
                                        not represent Afrinic’s purpose.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">I,
                                        therefore, oppose this policy.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">Thank
                                        you,</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-left:106.2pt">Lucilla </p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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                        style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
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                      style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                                style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Lamiaa
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
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