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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/09/2020 05:22, JORDI PALET
      MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Again,
              this is not about defining what is abuse, this is among
              the parties. It is about making sure that there is a valid
              responsible contact in case of anyone needs to report what
              he considers an abuse. AFRINIC will not punish anyone that
              believes that his customer is not doing an abuse because
              in his country is not an abuse.</span></p>
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    Exactly !<br>
    <p>Often people are misunderstanding the intention of the proposals
      and opposing them for reasons that are not written on them, which
      end up causing more confusion to other people.</p>
    <p>I support this proposal<br>
      Fernando<br>
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              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 18/9/20
              9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
                href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
              escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">RFC2142 only
              defines a tiny portion of the network abuse. In real world
              operation, abuse consists of a  much boarder range :
              DMCA(copy rights) claims, unsolicited emails , phishing
               websites , trade mark disputes etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">All those
              are legal issues that vary vastly across different
              juridictions in which no one but each of the juridiction’s
              judges can decide if it is an abuse or an illegal
              activity. Claiming that RFC2142 defines not even 1% of
              real world abuse is laughable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lamiaa<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le jeu.
                  17 sept. 2020 à 15:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
                  <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a
                  écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext
                        1.0pt;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">I’ve said this
                        already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse, it
                        enforces that the abuse contact is there, and
                        works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext
                        1.0pt;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">Today AFRINIC is
                        paying for the cost of the abuse handling
                        because only a tiny fraction of the members has
                        the abuse contacts in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext
                        1.0pt;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">If the contacts
                        in the RIR database aren’t actual and accurate,
                        this is a clear violation of the RSA. So what is
                        unacceptable is not having the contacts, not on
                        the other way around.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext
                        1.0pt;padding:0cm" lang="EN-US">Abuse is not
                        defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this
                        is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have
                        re-defined it, because it is already stated in
                        RFC2142. Can you justify why AFRINIC is
                        different and need a definition?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        it in the networks that you operate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
                            href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
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                          escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          will have to agree with Lucilla on what she
                          said and would like to add to it that :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Firstly, Abuse
                          enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one
                          abuse or even criminal activity could be
                          entirely a legal operation in a different
                          jurisdiction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Finally, making
                          a member forcefully reply to abuse contact
                          Emails are a waste of resources and totally
                          pointless, it is entirely up to the member to
                          define what they think is acceptable in their
                          network operation and how they react to it.
                          AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member to
                          reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t
                          even have the ability to identify what is
                          considered an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Therefore the
                          entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
                          operation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
                          via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="border:none windowtext
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                          a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                lang="EN-US">Hi Lucilla,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                lang="EN-US">Today we already have
                                mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate
                                networks understand what it is an abuse.
                                If you operate networks you know that *<b>anything</b>*
                                which is a non-authorized use of a
                                network is an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                lang="EN-US">If you send spam, attack
                                networks, try to intrude networks, etc.,
                                all those are abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                lang="EN-US">What the policy ask is to
                                make sure that in AFRINIC everybody has
                                an abuse contact (today we have mnt-IRT,
                                but is not mandatory, and as a results
                                many African networks are filtered
                                because lack of that – and consequently
                                they do not respond to abuse cases -,
                                which exist in all the other regions of
                                the world).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse means
                                  more chances of legal actions, more
                                  cost, for both the victims and the
                                  ISPs. Having that means that you have
                                  more chances to resolve it in
                                  goodfaith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most
                                    important</b>* Afrinic missions is
                                  to have accuracy on the database,
                                  which includes accuracy on the
                                  contacts. We are not fulfilling that
                                  in this situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                  style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*
                                  the other RIRs have already this kind
                                  of policy. This one is like the one
                                  that has been implemented in APNIC,
                                  and the accuracy of the contacts is
                                  now 87.5% as reported this month in
                                  the last APNIC meeting. In that report
                                  *<b>none</b>* of the members indicated
                                  any of the issues that you indicated
                                  (didn't happened as well in the other
                                  regions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">You know who is
                                  interested in not having abuse
                                  contacts? Those that use their
                                  networks for doing abuse (hijacking,
                                  spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                  style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">Can you explain if the
                                  network that you operate has an abuse
                                  contact an how if one of your customes
                                  is trying to penetrate my network or
                                  do a DoS, I will be able to contact
                                  you and if you will do anything or
                                  just ignore it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
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                                  lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">El
                                  17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="border:none windowtext
                                      1.0pt;padding:0cm">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>>
                                  escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
                                    all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
                                    have some concerns about the “Abuse
                                    Contact Policy”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">First
                                    of all, it does not offer a specific
                                    and regulated description of the
                                    term “abuse”  and this opens the
                                    door to potentially bigger problems:
                                    a surplus of reports,
                                    discrimination/legal issues, and a
                                    waste of resources. Around the
                                    world, we can perceive what abuse is
                                    in very different ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Afrinic
                                    is not entitled to force members to
                                    report abuses and most importantly,
                                    this proposal does not represent
                                    Afrinic’s purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I,
                                    therefore, oppose this policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Thank
                                    you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Lucilla <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use
                    of the contents of this information, even if
                    partially, including attached files, is strictly
                    prohibited and will be considered a criminal
                    offense. If you are not the intended recipient be
                    aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or
                    use of the contents of this information, even if
                    partially, including attached files, is strictly
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                    so you must reply to the original sender to inform
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le jeu. 17
                sept. 2020 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                  href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
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              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Lamiaa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve said
                      this already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse,
                      it enforces that the abuse contact is there, and
                      works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Today
                      AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse
                      handling because only a tiny fraction of the
                      members has the abuse contacts in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">If the
                      contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual and
                      accurate, this is a clear violation of the RSA. So
                      what is unacceptable is not having the contacts,
                      not on the other way around.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Abuse is not
                      defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this
                      is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have re-defined
                      it, because it is already stated in RFC2142. Can
                      you justify why AFRINIC is different and need a
                      definition?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">How you
                      define it in the networks that you operate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                        lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                        lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                        lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">El
                        17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
                          href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
                        escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
                        lang="EN-US">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="font-family:"Courier
                        New";color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
                        lang="EN-US">I will have to agree with Lucilla
                        on what she said and would like to add to it
                        that :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Firstly,
                        Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Secondly,
                        RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”,
                        one abuse or even criminal activity could be
                        entirely a legal operation in a different
                        jurisdiction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Finally,
                        making a member forcefully reply to abuse
                        contact Emails are a waste of resources and
                        totally pointless, it is entirely up to the
                        member to define what they think is acceptable
                        in their network operation and how they react to
                        it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member
                        to reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t
                        even have the ability to identify what is
                        considered an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Therefore
                        the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
                        operation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="font-family:"Courier
                        New";color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="font-family:"Courier
                        New";color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Lamiaa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <pre style="margin-left:90.3pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">Le jeu.
                        17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
                        RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                        a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
                      #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi
                              Lucilla,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Today
                              we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who
                              operate networks understand what it is an
                              abuse. If you operate networks you know
                              that *<b>anything</b>* which is a
                              non-authorized use of a network is an
                              abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">If
                              you send spam, attack networks, try to
                              intrude networks, etc., all those are
                              abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">What
                              the policy ask is to make sure that in
                              AFRINIC everybody has an abuse contact
                              (today we have mnt-IRT, but is not
                              mandatory, and as a results many African
                              networks are filtered because lack of that
                              – and consequently they do not respond to
                              abuse cases -, which exist in all the
                              other regions of the world).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse means
                                more chances of legal actions, more
                                cost, for both the victims and the ISPs.
                                Having that means that you have more
                                chances to resolve it in goodfaith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most
                                  important</b>* Afrinic missions is to
                                have accuracy on the database, which
                                includes accuracy on the contacts. We
                                are not fulfilling that in this
                                situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*
                                the other RIRs have already this kind of
                                policy. This one is like the one that
                                has been implemented in APNIC, and the
                                accuracy of the contacts is now 87.5% as
                                reported this month in the last APNIC
                                meeting. In that report *<b>none</b>* of
                                the members indicated any of the issues
                                that you indicated (didn't happened as
                                well in the other regions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">You know who is interested
                                in not having abuse contacts? Those that
                                use their networks for doing abuse
                                (hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions,
                                etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">Can you explain if the
                                network that you operate has an abuse
                                contact an how if one of your customes
                                is trying to penetrate my network or do
                                a DoS, I will be able to contact you and
                                if you will do anything or just ignore
                                it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">El
                                17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <<a
                                  href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
                                escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
                                  all,<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
                                  have some concerns about the “Abuse
                                  Contact Policy”.<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">First
                                  of all, it does not offer a specific
                                  and regulated description of the term
                                  “abuse”  and this opens the door to
                                  potentially bigger problems: a surplus
                                  of reports, discrimination/legal
                                  issues, and a waste of resources.
                                  Around the world, we can perceive what
                                  abuse is in very different ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Afrinic
                                  is not entitled to force members to
                                  report abuses and most importantly,
                                  this proposal does not represent
                                  Afrinic’s purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I,
                                  therefore, oppose this policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Thank
                                  you,<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Lucilla <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
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