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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/09/2020 05:22, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Again,
this is not about defining what is abuse, this is among
the parties. It is about making sure that there is a valid
responsible contact in case of anyone needs to report what
he considers an abuse. AFRINIC will not punish anyone that
believes that his customer is not doing an abuse because
in his country is not an abuse.</span></p>
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Exactly !<br>
<p>Often people are misunderstanding the intention of the proposals
and opposing them for reasons that are not written on them, which
end up causing more confusion to other people.</p>
<p>I support this proposal<br>
Fernando<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 18/9/20
9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">RFC2142 only
defines a tiny portion of the network abuse. In real world
operation, abuse consists of a much boarder range :
DMCA(copy rights) claims, unsolicited emails , phishing
websites , trade mark disputes etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">All those
are legal issues that vary vastly across different
juridictions in which no one but each of the juridiction’s
judges can decide if it is an abuse or an illegal
activity. Claiming that RFC2142 defines not even 1% of
real world abuse is laughable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le jeu.
17 sept. 2020 à 15:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a
écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse, it
enforces that the abuse contact is there, and
works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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paying for the cost of the abuse handling
because only a tiny fraction of the members has
the abuse contacts in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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in the RIR database aren’t actual and accurate,
this is a clear violation of the RSA. So what is
unacceptable is not having the contacts, not on
the other way around.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this
is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have
re-defined it, because it is already stated in
RFC2142. Can you justify why AFRINIC is
different and need a definition?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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will have to agree with Lucilla on what she
said and would like to add to it that :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Firstly, Abuse
enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one
abuse or even criminal activity could be
entirely a legal operation in a different
jurisdiction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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a member forcefully reply to abuse contact
Emails are a waste of resources and totally
pointless, it is entirely up to the member to
define what they think is acceptable in their
network operation and how they react to it.
AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member to
reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t
even have the ability to identify what is
considered an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
operation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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lang="EN-US">Today we already have
mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate
networks understand what it is an abuse.
If you operate networks you know that *<b>anything</b>*
which is a non-authorized use of a
network is an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">If you send spam, attack
networks, try to intrude networks, etc.,
all those are abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">What the policy ask is to
make sure that in AFRINIC everybody has
an abuse contact (today we have mnt-IRT,
but is not mandatory, and as a results
many African networks are filtered
because lack of that – and consequently
they do not respond to abuse cases -,
which exist in all the other regions of
the world).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none black
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse means
more chances of legal actions, more
cost, for both the victims and the
ISPs. Having that means that you have
more chances to resolve it in
goodfaith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most
important</b>* Afrinic missions is
to have accuracy on the database,
which includes accuracy on the
contacts. We are not fulfilling that
in this situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*
the other RIRs have already this kind
of policy. This one is like the one
that has been implemented in APNIC,
and the accuracy of the contacts is
now 87.5% as reported this month in
the last APNIC meeting. In that report
*<b>none</b>* of the members indicated
any of the issues that you indicated
(didn't happened as well in the other
regions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">You know who is
interested in not having abuse
contacts? Those that use their
networks for doing abuse (hijacking,
spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Can you explain if the
network that you operate has an abuse
contact an how if one of your customes
is trying to penetrate my network or
do a DoS, I will be able to contact
you and if you will do anything or
just ignore it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"
lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">El
17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</span></a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none black
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style="border:none black
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
have some concerns about the “Abuse
Contact Policy”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">First
of all, it does not offer a specific
and regulated description of the
term “abuse” and this opens the
door to potentially bigger problems:
a surplus of reports,
discrimination/legal issues, and a
waste of resources. Around the
world, we can perceive what abuse is
in very different ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style="border:none black
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Afrinic
is not entitled to force members to
report abuses and most importantly,
this proposal does not represent
Afrinic’s purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none black
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I,
therefore, oppose this policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Thank
you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style="border:none black
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Lucilla <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le jeu. 17
sept. 2020 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Lamiaa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve said
this already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse,
it enforces that the abuse contact is there, and
works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Today
AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse
handling because only a tiny fraction of the
members has the abuse contacts in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">If the
contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual and
accurate, this is a clear violation of the RSA. So
what is unacceptable is not having the contacts,
not on the other way around.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Abuse is not
defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this
is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have re-defined
it, because it is already stated in RFC2142. Can
you justify why AFRINIC is different and need a
definition?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">How you
define it in the networks that you operate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">El
17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="EN-US">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Courier
New";color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515"
lang="EN-US">I will have to agree with Lucilla
on what she said and would like to add to it
that :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Firstly,
Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Secondly,
RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”,
one abuse or even criminal activity could be
entirely a legal operation in a different
jurisdiction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Finally,
making a member forcefully reply to abuse
contact Emails are a waste of resources and
totally pointless, it is entirely up to the
member to define what they think is acceptable
in their network operation and how they react to
it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member
to reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t
even have the ability to identify what is
considered an abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Therefore
the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
operation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Courier
New";color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Courier
New";color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515">Lamiaa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:90.3pt;line-height:105%;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="color:#151515"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">Le jeu.
17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi
Lucilla,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Today
we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who
operate networks understand what it is an
abuse. If you operate networks you know
that *<b>anything</b>* which is a
non-authorized use of a network is an
abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">If
you send spam, attack networks, try to
intrude networks, etc., all those are
abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">What
the policy ask is to make sure that in
AFRINIC everybody has an abuse contact
(today we have mnt-IRT, but is not
mandatory, and as a results many African
networks are filtered because lack of that
– and consequently they do not respond to
abuse cases -, which exist in all the
other regions of the world).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Not having an abuse means
more chances of legal actions, more
cost, for both the victims and the ISPs.
Having that means that you have more
chances to resolve it in goodfaith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">One of the *<b>most
important</b>* Afrinic missions is to
have accuracy on the database, which
includes accuracy on the contacts. We
are not fulfilling that in this
situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Remember that *<b>all</b>*
the other RIRs have already this kind of
policy. This one is like the one that
has been implemented in APNIC, and the
accuracy of the contacts is now 87.5% as
reported this month in the last APNIC
meeting. In that report *<b>none</b>* of
the members indicated any of the issues
that you indicated (didn't happened as
well in the other regions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">You know who is interested
in not having abuse contacts? Those that
use their networks for doing abuse
(hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions,
etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Can you explain if the
network that you operate has an abuse
contact an how if one of your customes
is trying to penetrate my network or do
a DoS, I will be able to contact you and
if you will do anything or just ignore
it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">El
17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <<a
href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
have some concerns about the “Abuse
Contact Policy”.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">First
of all, it does not offer a specific
and regulated description of the term
“abuse” and this opens the door to
potentially bigger problems: a surplus
of reports, discrimination/legal
issues, and a waste of resources.
Around the world, we can perceive what
abuse is in very different ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Afrinic
is not entitled to force members to
report abuses and most importantly,
this proposal does not represent
Afrinic’s purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I,
therefore, oppose this policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Thank
you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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