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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Lamiaa,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The separate TAL makes this service an opt-in one, so even in case of errors, the impact can be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Actually, the staff can also make the mistake in the existing TAL, or completely drop the RPKI certificates, etc., right? So, what is the difference? This is an operational problem that *<b>all</b>* the RIRs try to avoid. NOBODY is perfect, but objecting to a proposal for improving overall routing security by stating that “it is subjected to errors” is like saying “we should not have a whois, because it can be broken or have mistaken information”. Do you still think is a valid argument or should we drop all the policies because all may have operational errors?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>A global policy could only cover the unallocated space in the hands of IANA. Do not worry about that, I’m preparing a policy proposal for that already!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Your comment about Ernest case is not a valid objection, because as Madhvi explained, before going into the RPKI, is taken from the whois, so even if the RPKI doesn't exist, the case can happen again, exactly the same. And I’m sure, following Eddy emails, that they have taken sufficient measures to avoid that happening.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 17/9/20 11:00, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hey everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I, on the other hand, am having issues with this policy due to the following reasons :</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>- It potentially can turn registration error into operation disaster, if Afrinic mistakenly labour one of the member’s ip into their own pool, it has a great chance for end users to lose their connection vs just a wrong registration data.<br style='box-sizing:border-box;outline:none'><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>- RPKI for unallocated space is rather a global policy issue rather than a regional policy issue, all regions should have the same view on the topic, if only AFRINIC implements it, it will create an operational inconsistency.<br style='box-sizing:border-box;outline:none'><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>- There is a potential huge risk that will be created if Ernest’s case happens again, AFRINIC’s own staff potentially has the power to rob other members space by “AS0” it.</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:19.5pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#151515'>Lamiaa</span><o:p></o:p></pre></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 09:04, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I support the RPKI ROA policy as written. I understand the technical aspects of the policy. I have a feeling that those objecting may not completely understand the technical aspects which is why they are objecting.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>AFRINIC's job is to properly document the resources they have been provided by ICANN/IANA and this is simply part of the job. When new resources are provided to AFRINIC, they label it as such (AS0, etc). When it is then allocated/assigned to a member, the AS0 RPKI is removed. All this means is that the unallocated/unassigned resources that are with AFRINIC can be (optionally) identified as such and thus can not be easily misused by bad actors. This also means that when they are allocated/assigned to members, they are less lightly to have been made "dirty".<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 2020/09/17 08:26, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The AFRINIC as an organization specifically focuses on the registration database and thereby having knowledge of where the prefix belongs to and AFRINIC should just focus on this role and should not engage in authenticating or the authorization of various services. If such rights are given to any organization, they have the right to assign prefixes to servers hence, having control of the routing database at which a technical or human error will lead to an immense catastrophe to the internet society. This control is basically the specific definition of centralization. This centralization is the major reason why most providers do not trust the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). I am still in opposition to this policy proposal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Elvis. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:01 PM Darwin Costa <<a href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com" target="_blank">dc@darwincosta.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Cmon folks….! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>@Elvis, I really don’t see your point here and also don’t really understand why are you opposing against this proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>As mentioned further on the thread - RPKI won’t change Afrnic´s role at all…. Instead this proposal will certainly contribute to a more secure routing advertisement.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>As such, other RIR´s have successfully implemented this in order to protect our garden so called “The Internet”.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Darwin-.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 17 Sep 2020, at 05:42, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I think there is a serious issue by some people totally misunderstanding what RPKI actually is.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Some arguments saying something like 'Afrinic will centralize control of the internet and should not have such power' don't have relation to what what this proposal intends and the reasons to oppose it are not tied to real possible problems pointed.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This proposal only follows what have been done in APNIC and LACNIC and is a natural move to make an internet more secure and avoid organizations to use space that is not assigned to anyone else.<br>Therefore I support this proposal.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 16/09/2020 20:42, Noah wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 2:30 AM Ibeanusi Elvis <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" target="_blank">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I am strongly in opposition to this RPKI ROA proposal,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>You oppose yet....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> issuing an AS0 for AFRINIC address space <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>You must be clear on which AFRINIC address space rather than presenting a rather vague statement. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The proposal is very clear and explicit and the AFRINIC space in question is that which has not yet been allocated or assigned to any entity or resource member.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I will quote for you section 2.0 of the proposal as written below;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b>2.0 Summary of how this proposal addresses the problem</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><br></b>This proposal instructs AFRINIC to create ROAs for all <b>unallocated and unassigned address space under its control.</b> This will enable networks performing RPKI-based BGP Origin Validation to easily reject all the bogon announcements covering resources managed by AFRINIC.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So what are you talking about?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Noah <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> 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