<div dir='auto'><div>Hi Frank,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sorry I should have maybe translated it in both languages! Here is my point (Answering to previous messages) :</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I oppose this policy for two reasons. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regarding the nature of this proposal, it's just an operation measure, a decision about how Afrinic operate and provides service. I believe this is not part of our prerogatives and we should focus on actual policies, not deal with Afrinic's services/products. Deciding whether we should transfer or not, how we should proceed with M&A or the election process are policies, this dashboard is a service, not part of internet governance. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Concerning the cost issue, I think contrary to what some have raised, it is very much part of the issue. Rather than saying that it's too costly or that it's absolute cost is too high, it's about a cost/benefits point of view that this policy is not worth it. Benefits are minor or at least not proven to be more than something close to 0 as Afrinic is already doing the job. If the policy was free of our constraint and we just had to tick a box on an app almost no one would oppose it (even if results are 0 it wouldn't cost any time, money, energy), but it's not the case. And opting for a policy that has a cost is also potentially depriving us of another one over time, it's just about avoiding waste in a policy that doesn't have much benefits. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope this clarify things? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you for your question, I'll try to send my messages in both languages as possible! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Have an excellent day, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Marius <br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 17 sept. 2020 14:25, Frank Habicht <geier@geier.ne.tz> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">If I understand right (Google translate...), then you say that<br>
- it is not for this PDWG, but AfriNIC staff internally to decide<br>
- given funds, time and practical possibility, you support this to be<br>
done</p>
<p dir="ltr">right?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks,<br>
Frank<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">On 17/09/2020 04:35, Marius Andioc via RPD wrote:<br>
> Bonjour, <br>
> <br>
> Concernant le coût, je pense qu'au contraire celui-ci doit rentrer en<br>
> ligne de compte. Le principe d'un choix, d'un trade off, est que nous<br>
> aurons à choisir une politique plutôt qu'une autre (si ce n'est pas<br>
> immédiat c'est un choix entre cette politique aujourd'hui et une autre<br>
> demain). <br>
> Les moyens d'AFRINIC ne sont pas illimités, nous avons tout intérêt à<br>
> choisir avec prudence ce qui est réalisé. Ici plus que le coût de<br>
> manière absolue, c'est le rapport coût/0 ou très peu de bénéfice qui<br>
> m'évoque un simple gaspillage (de temps, de moyens et d'énergie, pas<br>
> uniquement une question de coût chiffré). <br>
> Pour résumer : le coût en lui même n'est pas tant un problème, mais le<br>
> rapport coût / bénéfice en est un. Si cette politique ne nécessitait<br>
> qu'une case à cocher dans une application pour se réaliser il n'y aurait<br>
> pas ou peu d'opposition. <br>
> Je souhaite enfin rajouter que les modalités opérationnelles et les<br>
> services d'AFRINIC ne sont pas de notre ressort. Nous devons nous<br>
> concentrer sur son rôle: celui de registre. Cette proposition n'est pas<br>
> une politique mais une proposition opérationnelle et elle n'a donc pas<br>
> grand chose à faire ici. <br>
> <br>
> Je vous souhaite une excellente journée, <br>
> <br>
> Marius Andioc <br>
> <br>
> Le 16 sept. 2020 22:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> a<br>
> écrit :<br>
> <br>
> The RSA is an overall umbrella set by the members, and is not complete.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The PDP is a higher-level set by the community, as complete as we wish.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I think many participants still get confused with that. The PDP<br>
> state what rules the community want to be followed, verified, etc.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The PDP affects **all**, while the RSA only affects members.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The community is on **top** of the membership. So, the community is<br>
> free to agree on rules **over the RSA**, especially when the RSA is<br>
> not sufficiently clear.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> And one more point that I was not able to respond in the chat. The<br>
> PDP, and thus the policy proposals, can’t consider **cost** (I<br>
> disagree that this will be a too high cost), because the cost is a<br>
> matter of the membership. This is why the **board** must ratify a<br>
> policy once it reaches consensus, because if the board believes that<br>
> the cost is too high (vs the benefits), they can bring the proposal<br>
> back to discussion to the community. So “cost” (especially if not<br>
> demonstrated), can’t be accepted as a valid objection towards<br>
> consensus. Otherwise, **any** member can block **any** proposal from<br>
> the community **because of cost** (even if untrue)!<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Jordi<br>
> <br>
> @jordipalet<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> El 16/9/20 15:44, "Eucharia Maryann" <eucharianene@gmail.com<br>
> <mailto:eucharianene@gmail.com>> escribió:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC services are provided to members under the umbrella of the<br>
> RSA mandate, which in turn ask for compliance with policies. <br>
> <br>
> Those policies are documented in the CPM, which is continuously<br>
> updated by the PDP.<br>
> <br>
> If the above actually already exist in the RSA and in the CPM, then<br>
> what's the essence of this policy or is it that we love repeating<br>
> same thing all the time or we are just interested in having so many<br>
> duplicated policies and rules.<br>
> <br>
> Please I cannot see the relevance of this policy. Thanks<br>
> <br>
> Simply Eucharia.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> Dear all,This "POLICY COMPLIANCE DASHBOARD" seems to me a case<br>
> of misplaced priorities. It will surely lead to complexities and<br>
> unnecessary dissipation of energy and limited resources because<br>
> AFRINIC? should already be keeping track of the policy<br>
> violation.?In essence, I DO NOT see the purpose of such policy<br>
> here. Therefore, I DO NOT SUPPORT it. Thank you.<br>
> Adepetun OluwaseunSystem Analyst & ProgrammerEPETUKU<br>
> TECHNOLOGIESAbuja, Nigeria<br>
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