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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Haruna,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is very easy to understand and consequently is not a false argument. The problem has been the time that we got allocated for the presentation and Q&A, I guess.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If I’m a person or company, trying to establish a new business (or increase the size of an existing one) in the region, and for that I need IPv4 addresses (or even to deploy IPv6 I need some IPv4 addresses as well), then I will come to AFRINIC, and that means that I can only get (at the current stage, phase 2, CPM 5.4.3.2), a maximum of 1.024 addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If I need more than that, game over!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Now in a few months from now, AFRINIC will not be able to provide even those 1.024 addresses. So, the situation become even worst. What you do then?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It may become cheaper to establish your business in any other region, instead of AFRINIC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please, let me know if that clarify your point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Tks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m actually sure that the authors of the other proposals will agree also with my view on this!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 17/9/20 12:59, "Haruna Umar Adoga" <<a href="mailto:hartek66@gmail.com">hartek66@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>One of the false arguments (in my opinion) made by the author of the IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) proposal, is that new businesses are unable to get IP addresses, which is slowing down the growth of businesses in Africa. <br>If we can have statistics that supports this claim, it will be helpful, as I am not convinced that not having this policy is hindering IP assignments to businesses in our region. I am however not in support of this proposal in its current draft.<br><br>Regards,<br>Haruna. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ahile shagba francis <<a href="mailto:ahilefranc@gmail.com">ahilefranc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Lets look at it from another point,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>If it is the other region’s policy to be applied when the resources are transferred from that region,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> it is then glaring that this could cause many confusions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>We don't need to support such.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Let's be guided.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 11:15 AM <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Abuse Contact Policy (Precious Paul)<br> 2. Re: Abuse Contact Policy (Joshua J. Onuh)<br> 3. Re: Abuse Contact Policy (<a href="mailto:marius8079@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">marius8079@yahoo.fr</a>)<br> 4. Re: RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address<br> Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT02 (Topsy Bello)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:44:20 +0100<br>From: Precious Paul <<a href="mailto:preciousq43@gmail.com" target="_blank">preciousq43@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAKmLT9iAFM=nAHBMsTWS+heguF98w+Swp4ygZv=<a href="mailto:TnCQLA%2By4iQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">TnCQLA+y4iQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>As mentioned in the above points the resources poured into this new version<br>of the policy would most likely lead to a huge waste of resources, which<br>could and should be used at other policies and parts of the organization<br><br>Best Regards,<br>Precious Paul.<br><br><br>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:19 AM lucilla fornaro <<br><a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Dear all,<br>><br>> I have some concerns about the ?Abuse Contact Policy?.<br>> First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated description of<br>> the term ?abuse? and this opens the door to potentially bigger problems: a<br>> surplus of reports, discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources.<br>> Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.<br>><br>> Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and most<br>> importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic?s purpose.<br>><br>> I, therefore, oppose this policy.<br>><br>><br>> Thank you,<br>><br>> Lucilla<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> RPD mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/3f4ada54/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/3f4ada54/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:51:12 +0100<br>From: "Joshua J. Onuh" <<a href="mailto:jjamesonuh@gmail.com" target="_blank">jjamesonuh@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy<br>Message-ID:<br> <CABZOdDo=<a href="mailto:09CY-fekGSX8tEj8Dh%2Br1rTpnQx1Tq5tQSmexgj2Sw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">09CY-fekGSX8tEj8Dh+r1rTpnQx1Tq5tQSmexgj2Sw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>The members should already have abuse contact or other ways to work it out<br>if they really need it. So I think it is kind of redundant to have this<br>policy.<br><br><br>On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 10:46, Precious Paul <<a href="mailto:preciousq43@gmail.com" target="_blank">preciousq43@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>><br>> As mentioned in the above points the resources poured into this new<br>> version of the policy would most likely lead to a huge waste of resources,<br>> which could and should be used at other policies and parts of the<br>> organization<br>><br>> Best Regards,<br>> Precious Paul.<br>><br>><br>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:19 AM lucilla fornaro <<br>> <a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Dear all,<br>>><br>>> I have some concerns about the ?Abuse Contact Policy?.<br>>> First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated description of<br>>> the term ?abuse? and this opens the door to potentially bigger problems: a<br>>> surplus of reports, discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources.<br>>> Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.<br>>><br>>> Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and most<br>>> importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic?s purpose.<br>>><br>>> I, therefore, oppose this policy.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Thank you,<br>>><br>>> Lucilla<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> RPD mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> RPD mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/04ffc13a/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/04ffc13a/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:54:24 +0900<br>From: <a href="mailto:marius8079@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">marius8079@yahoo.fr</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:d9a52007-e160-449c-8a74-8cfba33aa5d2@email.android.com" target="_blank">d9a52007-e160-449c-8a74-8cfba33aa5d2@email.android.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/52c7d241/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/52c7d241/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:10:13 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Topsy Bello <<a href="mailto:topsybello@yahoo.com" target="_blank">topsybello@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>, Ekaterina<br> Kalugina <<a href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" target="_blank">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC<br> Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT02<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1099021234.3362007.1600337413309@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank">1099021234.3362007.1600337413309@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br> Hello<br>the current state of the RPKI infrastructure does not provide a sufficient? period between revocation of ROA and notification that a given prefix has been allocated to an organisation which can have a huge effect on the allocation, i therefore do not agree with this policy<br><br> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 10:15:01 PM GMT+1, Ekaterina Kalugina <<a href="mailto:kay.k.prof@gmail.com" target="_blank">kay.k.prof@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br><br><br>Dear all,<br><br>?<br><br>I believe this policy would extendAFRINIC's power way beyond its control. AFRINIC is a registration entity andshould not have authority over RPKI. Having such would run the risk of Internetcentralization and undermine the legitimacy of AFRINIC as an impartialinstitution.<br><br>In addition, currently if there is a registration error, it is just aregistration error. However, if a registration error occurs with RPKI AS0,people will actually lose their connectivity.<br><br>For these reasons, I oppose this policy.<br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>?<br><br>Ekaterina Kay Kalugina<br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/db7325dc/attachment.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200917/db7325dc/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of RPD Digest, Vol 168, Issue 83<br>************************************<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards,<br>------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='margin-left:35.4pt'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'></td><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:1.2pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Haruna Umar Adoga</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> | Department of Computer Science | Faculty of Science</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:1.2pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:1.2pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Federal University Lafia.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:1.2pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>P. 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