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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Exactly, that’s the point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Any objection must be justified, not just like “I don’t like it” or “this is not right, but I can’t prove why …”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chairs must ignore not-justified objections and chairs need to consider if the authors have refuted the other objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Even if 100 people say “I don’t like this”, that is not a valid objection. Never mind if this happen in emails, or in-person meeting, or virtual meeting. This is not a voting!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 16/9/20 10:10, "lucilla fornaro" <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I think right now we should exclusively focusing on what is written on the proposal and for this reason I also believe that a consensus for a DPP already presented in a PPM still need a consensus at PPM and not from the RPD list. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This way we can be sure that the open issue has been addressed properly, also with the support of the Co-chairs that will definitely facilitate the discussion. Very often on the mailing list we can find many opinions and not enough proper objections.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If an issue is not properly addressed we cannot reach any consensus, not even rough consensus because some big questions have been ignored or not properly discussed. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The role of co-chairs is essential.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Lucilla <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:center'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='color:black'>Da:</span></b><span style='color:black'> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Inviato:</b> Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:32:32 PM<br><b>A:</b> rpd@afrinic.net <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [rpd] New Proposal Received | Simple PDP Update for the new “Normal” (Draft-1)</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Cathie,<br><br>The actual practice in AFRINIC, as the chairs can confirm or you can check with videos from the previous meetings, they *look* at the mailing list to determine consensus. What we do with this proposal is to make sure that the PDP make it explicit.<br><br>In all the other RIRs the mailing list is also looked by the chairs to determine consensus.<br><br>So if you oppose to the proposal because that, then we should cancel all the consensus determination done during all the last years?<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br> <br> <br><br>El 16/9/20 9:19, "Cathie Jay" <cathie.kay89@gmail.com> escribió:<br><br> Dear Jordi, dear community,<br><br> I oppose this policy because of the way in which consensus is reached.<br> The current policy stipulates that consensus should be reached through<br> the balancing of the mailing list and forum, and not during the PPM.<br> Such policy could pave the way for the intrusion of fake emails within<br> the discussion, which could endanger the process of reaching a fair<br> consensus, and jeopardize the process of policy-making. In addition,<br> it would significantly undermine the work of the co-chairs who will<br> facilitate the discussion.<br><br> All best wishes,<br><br> Cathie<br><br> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD<br> <rpd@afrinic.net> wrote:<br> ><br> > Hi Chloe,<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Exactly! I just responded to that to Gaby.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Tks!<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Regards,<br> ><br> > Jordi<br> ><br> > @jordipalet<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > El 9/9/20 13:00, "Chloe Kung" <chloe.kung.public@gmail.com> escribió:<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Hi,<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > I actually think section 3.4.3 is adequate as the discussion period of each policy proposal is a good 8 weeks. If there is no major objection based on technical justification submitted during the 8 weeks, the chance of having one during the last call period is very small. Even so, the community still have more time than needed to address and discuss the matter. 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