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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If we are asking all the organizations to justify the need and to have some wait time for more resources, why we want to have a different view on the transfers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This only helps bad guys that want to use the resources for malicious activities and also makes brokers getting more commissions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 14/9/20 5:30, "lucilla fornaro" <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I agree with your idea that basically corruption may occur (like in any other policy and in any other RIR) but there are instruments to avoid it and supervise. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I believe that by not supporting organizations that need it due to possible dishonesty, we only generate damage and a dangerous precedent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Lucilla<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Il giorno lun 14 set 2020 alle ore 11:49 Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This type of justification in my view is a justification that only benefits brokers and those who are willing to financially speculate from IP space instead of using it for what they should be, and goes on the opposite direction of other regions even after their respective exhaustion phases.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 23:38 lucilla fornaro, <<a href="mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucillafornarosawamoto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>I think that with this proposal AFRINIC would fully be able to support any kind of organization in this uncertain period. In fact, due to the pandemic situation it is clear that unexpected problems may occur any time. AFRINIC should be able to transfer resources even to those that gave up assigned resources during the previous 12 months. Only this way it’s possible to facilitate the flow of resources from those who have them in excess ( and don’t use them) to those who need them and cannot afford to wait 12 months.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>The issue concerning workload is relevant because as the proposal supports, transfers won’t need approval from Afrinic. This and the section 5.7.5 will help a lot to make the overall working system more efficient.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>I also think that “no upper limit regarding the amount of transfers” (section 5.7.3.3) will make a difference when IPv4 will be definitely depleted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Lucilla<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 02:53 Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Releasing organizations from 12 months period doesn't make any sense and goes in the opposite way of good sense. So someone who gave up their just assigned resources transferring to someone else. What is the sense of it ?<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Smaller organizations can receive resources from AfricNic directly in Phase 2, so why would they need to make such transfers ? Also I don't think anyone is against allowing transfers Intra and Inter-RIR at the current stage. That's not the problem.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I cannot understand what type of "issue" it can cause in terms of workload to the RIR and the time required for each request ? What does one thing have to do with the other ? If a request fulfill the minimal requirements there are no delays or extra workload do process the request.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regarding the "enrichment of its own financial pocket by Allocation Fees" this is still possible for any organizations who requests blocks according to Phase 2 so that statement is not correct either.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>There is a better well written proposal to allow Inter-RIR transfers under discussion which is and I invite others to support it instead which is "IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) Draft-4 ". This one fulfill completely the need of Inter-RIR transfers for the region.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards<br>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 10/09/2020 11:31, lucilla fornaro wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello everyone, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>My name is Lucilla, I graduated in Law and I am currently attending a Master Degree in International Business. I would like to give my contribution to the discussion. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>For <a href="http://5.7.3.2" target="_blank">5.7.3.2</a>: The barrier of 12 months represents an issue for many entities that need to face unexpected problems. AFRINIC needs to allow a smoother and faster resource transfer to support both smaller organizations’ growth, as well as enrich its own financial pocket by the Allocation Fees that need to be covered by entities that are not member yet. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>And for what concerns other RIR like LACNIC, its policy is proving to create some issue. They, as well as the other RIRs, are facing a heavy workload because of the dilatation of time required for each request, that once approved need to be included into another waiting list due to quarantine reasons. These complications cannot be smoothly managed by AFRINIC due its shortage of workforce. The section 5.7.3.2 would make the overall working system more efficient. Furthermore, LACNIC entered phase 3 (back in 2017) of the IPv4 Exhaustion, meanwhile AFRINIC is facing a different situation. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I strongly support Section <a href="http://5.7.3.3" target="_blank">5.7.3.3</a>: it is positive not to have an upper limit regarding the amount of transfer because this will facilitate the flow of addresses. IPv4 addresses within the region will soon be depleted, transfer policy for IPv4 resources within and outside the region is strongly needed. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Lucilla<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:center'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></div><div id="gmail-m_1376094161678277345m_-8711790673020162263gmail-m_9040864178235679491divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='color:black'>Da:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Fernando Frediani <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br><b>Inviato:</b> Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:49:44 PM<br><b>A:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br><b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-2)</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I see that point 5.7.3.2 goes in the opposite way of the obvious.<br>If an organization gave up of its IP address space because it doesn't have usage for it anymore, why would it be allowed to receive more resources from AfriNic in short term ?<br>Organizations receive IP space upon justification expected to be used to serve their customers in a certain time frame ahead. If sudden it realizes these addresses are not necessary anymore and transfer them to some other organization who really need them why would the source entity be allowed to receive even further space ?<br>It is not correct to say it drags Afrinic service region backwards in comparison to other RIRs. LACNIC and ARIN for example have similar policies in regards this topic.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>5.7.3.3. doesn't make sense either to be changed. The current text is correct and has a proper reason to be like this, otherwise it opens doors to fraud and to organizations to receive IP space form Afrinic and immediately to transfer to someone else who cannot receive them anymore under the current exhaustion rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Therefore I oppose this proposal.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 09/09/2020 11:40, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Everyone, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>My Name is Ibeanusi Elvis. I am a Masters student of Global Law, Politics and Peace and Conflict Studies at the Tokyo University of Foreign Studies. Highly Interested in Internet Governance and Policy Making specifically within the AFRINIC service region. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In regards to this proposal, I support the Proposed Section 5.7.3.2 as source entities are eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC as long as it complies with current policy because a 12 month non-eligibility delay period after transfer approval diminishes, hinders and is detrimental to the operational, developmental and growth of businesses within the AFRINIC region. Hence, dragging the African continent and AFRINIC service region backwards in comparison with other RIRs. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Additionally, Section 5.7.3.2 and Section 5.7.5.3 ensures a swift communication between the transferring and receiving RIRs to enhance a smooth transfer and receive of allocations and assignments. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Ibeanusi Elvis .C. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>RPD mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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