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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We shall remember that the impact analysis is the initial interpretation from the staff, not necessarily the correct one. Sometimes, it becomes clear once the policy is presented and reach consensus, either thru new versions if there are unrefuted objections, or via editorial changes or just clarifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In this specific case, the proposal is not saying anything about “Any new policy proposals that will be proposed shall also indicate clearly any elements of non-compliance that shall then be incorporated in the dashboard”, because this is NOT needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If any text in the CPM says “you can’t do x” and you to otherwise, clearly there is a policy violation. The proposed policy indicates to the staff “please, whenever possible, try to automate that x is automatically verified”. The text is NOT saying at all “every policy should state what needs to go into the dashboard”. This is left to the operational decisions of the staff, so NO, there is no list to maintain also because in section 2, we have this “The dashboard automation will need to be accommodated along CPM evolves thru the PDP, in order to display new details.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I hope all that is clearer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 12/9/20 22:13, "Gregoire EHOUMI" <<a href="mailto:gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr">gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>As you can see in the staff analysis, I quote “ Any new policy proposals that will be proposed shall also indicate clearly any elements of non-compliance that shall then be incorporated in the dashboard.”<br><br>The “such as” list in Section 3(2) Policy Compliance Dashboard, become a list to maintain.<br><br>What I meant by “policy context evolution over time” is to not try to prescribe the non-compliance scenario the dashboard shall apply to as the context evolves. <br>Non-compliance shall follow application policies and RSA<br><br><br>Thanks,<br>--Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>Date: 2020-09-09 6:43 a.m. (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>To: rpd@afrinic.net <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Compliance Dashboard - AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Gregoire,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Let’s see the analysis impact to understand if it is too much prescriptive, I don’t think so.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Policies always have impact on operations, this is normal. We don’t want to define up to the last letter of the procedures, just goals, and I think the actual text of the proposal is doing well on that direction, and at the same time protecting the community against bad practices or to restrictive interpretations of the staff of the RSA. Remember that according the RSA, if you fail, even by mistake, you lose. This is not right, it must be, in general, a persistent failure to comply with policies.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I don’t understand your last point “allow the compliance to apply to policy context evolution over time”. I think this is precisely what we are doing with the actual text. May be there is something that needs to be reworded to make it more clear?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>El 27/8/20 6:04, "Gregoire EHOUMI" <<a href="mailto:gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr">gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks Jordi for the responses. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Let not miss the essences of my comments which are :</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- let staff do what fall under operation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- be less prescriptive to avoid interpretations and give AFRINIC the flexibility to take necessary actions when appropriate </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- allow the compliance to apply to policy context evolution over time.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>—Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>On Aug 26, 2020, at 5:00 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=estilocorreo18><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Gregoire,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=estilocorreo18><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=estilocorreo18><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sorry, totally missed this email. I could not find it in my inbox, don’t know the reason …</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=estilocorreo18><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=estilocorreo18><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tks for your inputs and see my responses below, in-line as [Jordi].</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>El 26/8/20 22:11, "gregoire.ehoumi" <<a href="mailto:gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr">gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Hello Jordi and co-authors,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>See my email below, in case you missed it.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>— Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>On Aug 12, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Gregoire EHOUMI via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'>Jordi and team,<br><br>Thanks for putting together this proposal. Review of usage of distributed resources is an important instrument to assess how we collectively assume the responsibilities associated to the right to use the numbers. It also helps assess effectiveness of our policies and ease their evolution.<br><br>Below are few questions to help clarify some aspects and improve the proposal.<br><br>1- ######<br>Section 2 Summary of how this proposal addresses the problem<br><br>“Considering the exhaustion of IPv4, recovered/returned IPv4 resources are placed at the end of the actual pool. However, other resources are quarantined for a period of 2 years. This way, the staff can take measures to ensure that all the resources are as clean as possible, before being allocated/assigned again.”<br>#####<br>why no provision for quarantine and clean of v4?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] We have no more IPv4 resources. If we set a quarantine period in the policy, it will be mandatory and people willing to receive them need to wait, or we need to send a policy proposal to change it again. At the moment there is already an internal procedure that does that. The internal procedure could be modified if needed. The policy text needs more time to achieve the same. Why you want to quarantine resources that may be “clean” or “needed even if not 100% clean”?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>2- ######<br>Section 3(2) Policy Compliance Dashboard<br><br>“Contractual obligations (such as status of payments or documents).<br></span>Lack of response from the member.<br>Unused or unannounced resources (where mandatory).<br>Unavailable or outdated Whois information.<br>Lack of maintenance of the reverse delegation.<br>Forbidden sub-assignments (from PI assignments).<br>Unauthorized transfers.<br>Tracking of repeated and/or continued policy violations.”<br>######<br><br>How is list on compliance measures evolved? Is it that every new policy specify dashboard impact and what to measure in order to assess compliance?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] The list is “such as”, so just examples of what we believe are the starting points. But the dashboard proposal sets only the framework, so the staff can do the same with every possible CPM/RSA aspect that can be automated.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>3- ######<br>3(3) Notifications<br><br>“The dashboard will automatically send notifications of the status of compliance to members, after each review or dashboard update. </span>“<br>######<br>With what periodicity are members reviewed?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] Being automated, the idea is that it is “continuously run”. It is difficult to set specific periodicity, because it may take just hours to check “again” if resources are announced (an example), vs another different “test” that may need weeks to re-check the status of all the members. There may be operational decisions, such as “even if we can test this every week, do we really need to do at that speed” (AFRINIC DC bandwidth, members bandwidth, computational and power resources, etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>4- ######<br>3(4) Lack of Compliance<br><br>“AFRINIC will be able to initiate a more exhaustive investigation and take further actions, according to the RSA, when there is evidence suggesting that there is a lack of compliance. </span>“<br>######<br><br>This should not overrule Afrinic right to investigate and take action under RSA at anytime<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] And is not the case. RSA is *<b>on top</b>* of CPM when relates to member obligations. However, the CPM can reinforce the compliance with the RSA.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>5- ######<br>3(5) Service Withholding, Revocation or Member Closure<br><br>“Unauthorized transfers, lack of payment or document fraud, once confirmed, will be cause of the revocation of the services and member closure. </span>“<br>######<br><br>Are these the only conditions for revocation? What about other provisions in RSA eg fraud, misrepresentation, abuse or other acts contrary to RSA etc?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] As said above. RSA is *<b>on top</b>*. This is not changing the RSA. We, considered that those are key aspects that should be protected by the community (via the CPM) in case the RSA is not doing that already.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>6- ######<br><br>“f. All other provisions specified in the RSA and Bylaws will apply.”<br><br></span>######<br>Why other provisions only? Should be all provisions apply as Afrinic should not loose any of its powers in RSA and bylaws<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] This is an informative/clarifying text, we could even omit it and the result is the same. Even if we don’t say that, when a member signs the RSA, is being obligated by the bylaws, and the RSA, and *<b>anything</b>* indicated in those documents. Those “other documents”, can changed over the time, as that is a board/membership decision and the CPM is not affected by that. If we have an explicit mention of other document in the policy, it may become “broken” if “other documents” change.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>7- ######<br>3(9) Use of Recovered or Returned Resources<br><br>“IPv4 resources will be incorporated at the “end” of the pool in force at the time of the recovery or return, for use in the order in which they have been added to that pool. </span>“<br>######<br><br>Why treating v4 resources differently and prescribing a queuing policy? Is this not better to leave to staff to manage?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] As said before, this leaves to the staff to manage it, but I think, it is obvious that it should be re-used, as they are recovered (you recover, clean if needed, quarantine if needed, put them back into the appropriate pool). See the mention of RFC7020 which allows that staff to adapt this if needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>8- ######<br>“The IPv6 and ASN resources will be incorporated into their respective pools, after 2 years of their recovery or return. </span>“<br>######<br><br>Why 2 years quarantine for v6 and a queuing policy for v4?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] Because there is no lack of ASN and IPv6 resources. So, it is the easier way to handle it. However see the mention of RFC7020 section 2, that allows the staff …</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>9- ######<br>section 3(6)..<br></span>"When the revocation of resources involves essential strategic infrastructure that is necessary for the operation of the Internet in the region, or in exceptional situations such as natural disasters or political instability, the AFRINIC Board may extend the resource revocation period"<br>######<br><br>What is the definition of “essential strategic infrastructure” ? How long may the board extend the revocation period? And what actions the parties must take during this period?<br><br>As for the exceptional situations, can we leave them to be handled by staff as they deal with in normal operation?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-right:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] I understand that those strategic infrastructures are well defined (ccTLDs, IXPs, etc.). We believe that is better not to try to redefine it, and leave to the board. Otherwise we enter into a discussion nightmare about how much time, what is strategic and what not, etc. In every exceptional situation, because it is exceptional, need to be considered by the board. The staff will suggest the board what to do, but it should be up to the membership representation (the board) to formally decide on that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>HTH<br><br>- Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Date: 2020-08-05 5:58 a.m. (GMT-05:00)<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Subject: [rpd] Policy Compliance Dashboard - AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Hi all,<br><br>I will like to know if anyone has any inputs for the proposal "Policy Compliance Dashboard" (Draft1) - AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01.<br><br><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1#proposal">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1#proposal</a><br><br>It will be also good to get at least, a draft impact analysis from the staff. 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