<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Nobody said we implement ripe? We propose Afrinic variety..it’s Fernando who made a wild claim that consensus not for real world and an example was shown to him. Why are we now talking ripe voting? Discuss the document in front of you!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">BTW: you are the one always using situations in other region as reference.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">*********</div><div dir="auto">4.0 References</div><div dir="auto">Similar policies or procedures defined by the community, for the same purpose, also exist in the other regions</div><div dir="auto">*********</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d2#proposal" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d2#proposal</a><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Thanks </div><div><br></div><div>Arnaud</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 1 sept. 2020 à 08:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Arnaud,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Exactly you said it!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">That’s way you should read the full WG elections text, and not just the 1<sup>st</sup> paragraph.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Context is different and even if you read the full text, but you aren’t active participant there, you will not see how the community works there.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 1/9/20 10:40, "Arnaud AMELINA" <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Jordi,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I did not miss any text... I was pointing to the election by consensus part of the process and I have put the text I quoted starting and ending with dot lines, which means there are text before and after... anyone is free to read as I also provided the URL....<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">What you describe as how things end up for many WG in RIPE region, complies with the appointment process with only one candidate.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This happens often when the WG is well organized, key and active participants are known and so chairs are easily selected among those who present the profile needed at each stage.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Arnaud<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le lun. 31 août 2020 à 08:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Arnaud,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">However, you are still missing this text:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">“If no consensus can be reached then a secret ballot to elect the new chair(s) will be held at the working group session. Everyone physically present at the session can participate in the secret ballot. Votes will be counted by RIPE NCC Staff, and the result will be determined using proportional representation through the single transferable vote, otherwise known as PR-STV. The winner(s) of the secret ballot will become the new chair(s).”</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">So, if other people in this list don’t read the full text, they can have the idea that is “only” done by consensus.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Again, the important point here is that the context is *<b>very</b>* different. In RIPE WGs, we didn’t need to do a voting because when there were *<b>several</b>* candidates (very few occasions, because there are many WGs, so the candidates are split among them), and before that happening, candidates will withdraw in favor of others, so only *<b>a single</b>* candidate remain, and this, there is no need for “consensus” it is just “elected by acclamation”.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">For that, we *<b>don’t</b>* need to change the procedure here. We just need that the actual candidates decide among them which one remains and all the other ones withdraw. Then the voting is not needed.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 30/8/20 23:42, "Arnaud AMELINA" <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Le dim. 30 août 2020 à 18:15, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Hi all,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt">.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">... <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Can someone point where in the RIPE PDP talks about “elections by consensus” *<b>only</b>* ? I live there, I’m a very active participant (in all the 5 RIRs actually), and I tried to find that, as I didn’t recall it, and was not able to.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Nobody says RIPE PDP talks about “elections by consensus” *<b>only</b>*. And not interested in self praise.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">There was a specific argument which made folks to point to “elections by consensus” being used by some WGs in RIPE region.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">The example of the Address Policy WG can be seen here:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/ap/address-policy-wg-chair-selection-process" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/ap/address-policy-wg-chair-selection-process</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">It reads:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">“.........<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">The working group will select new chair(s) at the RIPE Address <b>Policy Working Group</b> session. Those present at the session, either in person or remotely, <b><i>will determine by consensus among themselves who takes the available position(s)</i></b>. The remaining chair will determine whether <b>consensus</b> has been reached. If the working group finds itself without a chair the RIPE chair will determine <b>consensus</b>.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">...............”<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Working Group practices including the selection of Co-Chairs are in WG operations’ guidelines and not in the PDP.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Arnaud <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">... <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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