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<p>Hello</p>
<p>While I fully understand what you say and your concerns, I see
that the community is not been able to move towards a solution and
what makes it difficult is how short PDP has been about elections.
If there is not solution how can we stand ? Keep things like they
are until they get worse and worse. That must be a solution to
this difficult and yet unknown scenario.<br>
As a last resource I find reasonable that the RIR Board conduct
things that are unclear or missing in the PDP, otherwise the
Internet in the region is the one to loose from it and therefore
everybody. In other RIR Board has been the ultimate place to
resolve the most difficult points similar to this. <br>
Jordi's proposal was not unanimously rejected. Please be careful
to use this word here. It has been used by others recently as pure
exaggeration. But I don't think this is about his proposal.<br>
<br>
Agree the Charis should have a more active role in trying to
resolve this issue. However one of them seems to be nominated to
continue, which makes the things more difficult.</p>
<p>It makes a lot of sense that not everybody can take part on any
decision or election, otherwise it open a wide door to fraud which
makes this forum a even worse place.<br>
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<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/08/2020 16:06, Benjamin Investor
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Jordi,</div>
<div dir="auto">Thank you for your email. Thank you for
mentioning the fact that election is a community issue. The
board has no role in PDP process execpt to approve the final
proposal sent to them by the chairs. what process is the board
setting up? We need to be very careful here. Today you are
proposing that the board should dictate how PDWG election
should be conducted so that your proposal that was unanimously
rejected be passed through the back door. Untill when the
process is passed by the community it cannot be implemented. </div>
<div dir="auto">What I can see here is an attempt by AFRINIC to
connive with Jordi and his friends to pass a policy
unanimously rejected by the community through the back door in
the name of COVID 19. Online elections are allowed by the
current policy but it must be carried out as specified in the
election guideline circulated when we opened nomination and
the current policy.</div>
<div dir="auto">Jodie you said the PDP does not tell us how to
conduct elections. Can you answer the following questions</div>
<div dir="auto">1. Who has the power to varry the PDP process.
Has the CEO and the board carried the co chairs along in these
process.? If yes then they should come out and tell us that
they are varring the process.</div>
<div dir="auto">2. Does the PDP define who the members of the
PDWG are</div>
<div dir="auto">3. Does the PDP tell us who are the members of
the WG who can elect the chair?</div>
<div dir="auto">Please read the policy manual and answer these
questions honestly.</div>
<div dir="auto">I think the co chairs needs to come out and tell
us the correct position of things.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Co chairs, it is your responsibility to
determine how the election is going to be conducted. You have
the sole right to varry the process. Please do not allow the
likes of Jordi to come and carry out a coup here. Your job is
to guide the community as dictated by the policy manual. Co
chairs you can't sit on the fence on this issue cos it's an
attempt to ridicle the PDP process through the back door.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 4:50 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">Hi Benjamin,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">There is something that you’re probably
missing.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">The PDP is short in the elections. The
PDP doesn't state how the elections are done, only a
very generic framework, so in that case all is up to
the Board.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-US">The Board decided at some point to setup
a process, and consequently the board is the one to
modify the process.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">While
I agree that this process should be managed by the
community, in this situation we can’t do that, so we
should keep the process in the way the Board decided
and work towards a real community decided process.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">This
is why, without having the crystal ball and
consequently not knowing about the coming Covid-19
pandemic, in November 2019, we started to work in a
complete proposal for this “<b>Chairs Elections
Process</b>”:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d1#proposal"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d1#proposal</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">The
authors are right now working in updating this
proposal, so I will suggest that we could invest
some time in discussing it, so we can send a new
version in a few days.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
6/8/20 17:33, "Benjamin Investor" <<a
href="mailto:investor0189@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">investor0189@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
CEO,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thank
you for the email and the wonderful job you have
been doing since appointed. However regarding your
email, I totally disagree with you based on the
following</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">1. The
guiding book of PDWG is the CPM and not the CEO's
decision.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">2. The
CPM is clear on who is a member of the PDWG. The CPM
states clearly that Any person who has joined the
making list is a member of if the working group.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">3. The
CPM is also clear the chair is elected by members of
the working group.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">4.
There is no where in the CPM where there is a 6
months rule on voting therefore the rule cannot be
created now. You cannot change the goalpost at the
middle of the game. The election guideline issues at
the time of nomination process is very clear as to
how the election would take place. This is by shoe
of hand. Show of hand can also be done online</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">5. How
can the AFRNIC determine that the increase in
mailing list is because of elections. We all know
that as a result of COVID 19 everyone is now moving
online are you saying we would not deny this people
the option to vote? We definitely cannot do that.
For example I have been on the mailing list in the
past and I opted out because of all the confusing
and abuse always happening and I joined back again
last week are you now going to deny me and others
like me the opportunity to vote? This seams like an
attempt by AFRINIC to rig the election in favour of
the some groups. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">6. You
made reference to other RIR can you please mention
one RIR that has the 6 months rule in place before
Thier online election. ?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">7. I
think AFRINIC needs to be careful. AFRINIC staff is
expected to be neutral in all cases and if Afrinic
staff are now judging new members as to Thier motive
of joining the WG this is not ideal.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thank
you</p>
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