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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In general, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. So according to that, the RSA states, that you just get the resources recovered if you’re ignoring the Policy Manual (on purpose or by ignorance of a policy change).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think this proposal provides a good balance in between both extremes and facilitates the work of the staff, because they will not need to manually take care of verifications for anything that can be automated. It is consequently a conservative approach in terms of wasting less resources and at the same time making sure that one member doesn’t need to be claiming about another member, while the check on the resource utilization will be more balanced among all the members.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If you’ve not notified, is because 1) your’re doing well (which may not be true for 100% of the members), or/and 2) the staff has not sufficient time for verifying every member complaince with every policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This proposal ensures that all the members are somehow validated as much automatically as possible in an equalitary way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 5/8/20 20:03, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> guidelines already exist for compliance by members therefore notifications or reminders to indicate non compliance for me is not necessary. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Furthermore, this policy might be increasing the hierarchy of the importance of notifications more than the actual rules being violated. E.g in my self defence I can say I never got notified that I was breaking any rule. Ignorance therefore becomes an excuse for violation. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If rules already exists then it's left for members to make sure that their legal team is abreast with the translation and adherence to such rules.<br><br>On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Paschal,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Can you tell me where can any member check if he is complying with its actual compliance status for all the policy manual?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Can you tell me if when there is a lack of compliance, if the member is receiving an automated notification or if it will be only known because another member realizes it and tell him (or if it is a competitor and want to create harm may be claim to the staff), or the staff or something similar?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Those are just simple questions that confirm that this is not actually being done, at least not in an automated and as much completed fashion as possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>El 5/8/20 19:22, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Dear Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>I do not agree with this “policy compliance dashboard” proposal on the simple fact that it’s just an additional complication to an already working system. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>All the points mentioned on the proposal are supposed to be taken care of by the Afrinic board and are very obvious matters that do not require a whole new complicated strategy that won’t bring any additional value. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Clicking on a button to check a list of violations and inconsistencies doesn’t automatically mean that something will be done about it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>I don’t think the Afrinic board needs this dashboard to tell them something that they already know. It’s really unnecessary and a total waste.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><br>On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'>Hi Taiwo, all,<br><br>The RSA has very generic provisions and it includes the compliance with all the policies, not just payments.<br><br>However, not all the members are following the updates to the CPM. Many members which I talk aren't following the PDP at all. You may understand the consequences this have with policy changes and I'm sure that staff is not doing a manual verification to all the members with every policy change. They can tell us.<br><br>This dashboard, will allow the members to automatically know if anything they do is following the policies, even if the policies change (once the dashboard is updated with a new implemented policy/change) and get a notification, so they can correct it.<br><br>This dashboard provides a very useful and informative way for ensuring that every member is up to date, and if they don't act then it is a systems to allow the staff to automatically track lack of compliance, provide corrective measures, or even tell the PDWG "this is not working, because nobody can comply with that". Those are just examples of how useful an automated system can be.<br><br>It also protects the members against sudden (without notice) overreactions of the staff (which may be totally right, according to the RSA), but we all understand that everybody can make a mistake and have a notification instead of resources being taken.<br><br>I'm sure today the staff have some ways to detect lack of payment, or lack of policy compliance, but what we are trying to do here is to automate it in a consistent way, so even if there will be, as with many policies, some development work, at the end, it is saving expenses to all and making everybody more productive.<br><br>Look also to the case, for example with a pandemic, or a civil war, or whatever, of a country which doesn't allow to make payments to Afrinic even to critical infrastructures, like the ccTLD. Following the RSA, those resources should be taken, but with this proposal, the staff can notify the situation to the Board and the Board could take special measures instead of recovering the resources (which right now they are forced to do according to the RSA/bylaws). I think we should have a way to accommodate for that.<br><br>Last but not least, when resources are recovered (a company goes to bankruptcy, or because of lack of payment, or repetitive and persistent lack of policy compliance, etc.), we define a way about how we publish and incorporate those resources back to the AFRINIC pool.<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br>El 5/8/20 18:47, "Taiwo Oyewande" <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br><br><br> I have read through your “Policy Compliance Dashboard” proposal. <br> I will like to enquire if Afrinic Isn’t already keeping track of the members that do not comply with the already existing rules, members that do not pay their fees or those that violate the policies in general? <br> It seems that this proposal is just a repetition of what the Afrinic board’s job already is.<br><br> Regards<br> Taiwo<br><br> > On 5 Aug 2020, at 11:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > Hi all,<br> > <br> > I will like to know if anyone has any inputs for the proposal "Policy Compliance Dashboard" (Draft1) - AFPUB-2020-GEN-001-DRAFT01.<br> > <br> > <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1#proposal" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-001-d1#proposal</a><br> > <br> > It will be also good to get at least, a draft impact analysis from the staff. 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